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evilg99
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No! You're misunderstanding me - I knew about the position of the toms beforehand. We agreed to take the 4" off the batter side , don't quite remember why right now, something to do with the spurs. It was my decision. Not a big deal. I usually use it with a single post for a one-up setup (works fine) ...or I will add two more toms on a TH945+stand for a three-up setup.
Bruce!!!! Those are absolutely gorgeous. And just quintessential Yamaha. Tasty tasty tasty.
It takes a great deal of patience to piece something like this together, many (like me) would give up rather quickly.
I didn't even notice the nouveau/absolute lugs until you pointed it out.
Good thing you have the mystery YESS mount bolts figured out.
I NEED a Cherry wood kit now, it's all your fault.
BGH
Gold Member
Thanks, Neal. Yeah my patience paid off in this case. I simply didn't find anything I was interested in, until these popped up. I sold a fair part of my RC collection over the last year, so I could stretch out a bit to other classic MIJ Yamahas. Now I have my Oaks and my own 'Absolute Hybrid,' so I feel pretty well satisfied I accomplished my goal. Finding brand new drums was the icing on the cake.
You made my day saying that you don't notice the lug difference. That's how I feel, but I was sure someone on here would say 'hey, your lugs don't match.' Its not a big difference in the look, as far as I'm concerned.
I was going to tell you that Bentley's had another Cherrywood MCA for sale on eBay, but it looks like it sold as well. There are a couple of used first gen Cherrywood BCA's on eBay and there's a new BCA, but the price is $3800. At least you have your Hip-Gigs in Cherrywood. Sorry to tempt you with another idea ;o(
Here's the new BCA:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-Birc.../221388439502?pt=US_Drums&hash=item338bc77fce
evilg99
Platinum Member
Oh dear. It's a good thing that is a 22x18 , 'cause I would be seriously considering that kit if it was a 20". But alas, like you say, I have Cherrywood Hipgigs (twice haha) and I must stay focused on a set of the new Jade Green Sparkle Maple Hybrids. I do have a set of BCA's already. Must stay strong. Must....resist....
Oh, and you're not done.
You need to add a 16" floor tom. OR...I think I might know where there is a (very rare) MCA Nouveau 13" diameter by 14" deep floor tom in Cherry Wood for a very good price. You will never, ever find another like it...
Neal
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BGH
Gold Member
Oh dear. It's a good thing that is a 22x18 , 'cause I would be seriously considering that kit if it was a 20". But alas, like you say, I have Cherrywood Hipgigs (twice haha) and I must stay focused on a set of the new Jade Green Sparkle Maple Hybrids. I do have a set of BCA's already. Must stay strong. Must....resist....
Oh, and you're not done.
You need to add a 16" floor tom. OR...I think I might know where there is a (very rare) MCA Nouveau 13" diameter by 14" deep floor tom in Cherry Wood for a very good price. You will never, ever find another like it...
Neal
Yeah, come on. Stay focused. One kit at a time. Take deep breathes. Count to ten (and all that sorta stuff). Aren't you still waiting for an Oak kit, or do you have it??
I'm most certainly done (for now). I'm not a big 16" tom guy, although I have a few. Don't need one for this kit. I'm standing pat. I'd like to see what the new offerings look like, even if it means buying nothing for a year. It will be like going to drum buying rehab...for a while...
evilg99
Platinum Member
Cool. Yes, focus. I would do well to take the same approach as you - nothing new drum wise for a year....well, my timeframe is fall I think, we'll see. But I can still have a go at a cymbal or two
I hear you about 16" floor toms - I have a couple as well and I certainly don't need them on every kit.
My Oak kit is still waiting on layaway at my local dealer. Not getting them until I sell the Live Customs, which they are replacing. Been too busy to sell anything. Soon. I have three other kits that may go as well.
Neal
spleeeeen
Platinum Member
Ah, what a bunch of enablers you all are...just as I had hoped. ;-) So, when my wife asks, "Why the !@#$ did you buy another drum?" I'll let her know you all thought it was a fantastic idea! Maybe I'll let her know she can contact all of you to express her appreciation. ;-)
I'll plan to snag it tomorrow after I move some money around. Drum Foundry/Black Swamp Percussion is right in my backyard so I'll likely have them do the work on the depth reduction.
And yeah, the cut will come from the batter side. I won't use the tom mount (probably replace it with one of SoCalMike's plates) so no worries about tom placement. I've been using stands but I actually just got a bunch of hex rack components today and I'll be putting together a 3-sided rack for a new project that will begin gigging soon.
Bruce, those are some beautiful drums you have there! Having "come of age" musically in the late 80s, that cherry wood finish is, to me, the epitome of Yamaha at its finest. Dave and Vinnie were playing cherry wood RCs (as were some of the rich kids at my college) and I sort of dreamed of the day when I would be able to afford them. And glad you managed to avert a close-call with the tom mount--yikes! And like Neal, I didn't notice the lug differences either. Actually, this new BCA bass drum has different lugs from the Maple Customs with which it will get played (those have nouveau lugs).
Peace brothers and thanks again for "helping" me to make the call on this. ;-)
I'll plan to snag it tomorrow after I move some money around. Drum Foundry/Black Swamp Percussion is right in my backyard so I'll likely have them do the work on the depth reduction.
And yeah, the cut will come from the batter side. I won't use the tom mount (probably replace it with one of SoCalMike's plates) so no worries about tom placement. I've been using stands but I actually just got a bunch of hex rack components today and I'll be putting together a 3-sided rack for a new project that will begin gigging soon.
Bruce, those are some beautiful drums you have there! Having "come of age" musically in the late 80s, that cherry wood finish is, to me, the epitome of Yamaha at its finest. Dave and Vinnie were playing cherry wood RCs (as were some of the rich kids at my college) and I sort of dreamed of the day when I would be able to afford them. And glad you managed to avert a close-call with the tom mount--yikes! And like Neal, I didn't notice the lug differences either. Actually, this new BCA bass drum has different lugs from the Maple Customs with which it will get played (those have nouveau lugs).
Peace brothers and thanks again for "helping" me to make the call on this. ;-)
evilg99
Platinum Member
Excellent news! Glad we could help...apologies for the difficulty with the wife. She will understand, eventually. You do need to take her out to dinner though, OK?
Please take before and after pictures of the drum. Good luck! **Exciting**
Neal
evilg99
Platinum Member
Hey lads. I hope this is not too soon after BGH posting his lovely new Cherry Wood BCA kit.
I have an opportunity to do this now, so what the hell.
I picked up my Yamaha Oak Custom orphans today - 18x14 with lift, 10x8, 13x11 . I had the T-rods for the bass drum already and they fit (correct length) this bass drum, I think they look good. I tried Yamaha Vintage Maple hoops on the toms but I found they look bizarre...need the sparkly chrome with the silver sparkle. The snare is a custom 12x5.5 ...with a groove wedge (great cross stick sound), DW mag throw off + 3 pos. butt plate, and a 'Mini' logo badge.
I really don't like the Aquarian SKI I have on the bass drum right now, too dead/loss of volume. I also had a Powerstroke 4 on the snare, yuck. Took it off, ripped off the internal damping ring...that helped but still yuck. Coated Ambassador on that ASAP and a clear Powerstroke 3 on the bass drum will do the trick. The toms sound good with clear Emperors, (w/clear Amb resos). Really diggin' the look of a Fiberskyn reso bass drum head with silver sparkle. The small Yamaha logo is a peel and stick metal logo I got on eBay for $2.00.
Some pics from my basement, some from this evening's rehearsal (in a music store, what a place to rehearse!)
Neal
I have an opportunity to do this now, so what the hell.
I picked up my Yamaha Oak Custom orphans today - 18x14 with lift, 10x8, 13x11 . I had the T-rods for the bass drum already and they fit (correct length) this bass drum, I think they look good. I tried Yamaha Vintage Maple hoops on the toms but I found they look bizarre...need the sparkly chrome with the silver sparkle. The snare is a custom 12x5.5 ...with a groove wedge (great cross stick sound), DW mag throw off + 3 pos. butt plate, and a 'Mini' logo badge.
I really don't like the Aquarian SKI I have on the bass drum right now, too dead/loss of volume. I also had a Powerstroke 4 on the snare, yuck. Took it off, ripped off the internal damping ring...that helped but still yuck. Coated Ambassador on that ASAP and a clear Powerstroke 3 on the bass drum will do the trick. The toms sound good with clear Emperors, (w/clear Amb resos). Really diggin' the look of a Fiberskyn reso bass drum head with silver sparkle. The small Yamaha logo is a peel and stick metal logo I got on eBay for $2.00.
Some pics from my basement, some from this evening's rehearsal (in a music store, what a place to rehearse!)
Neal
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spleeeeen
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Very nice Neal! Very cool finish on these and yeah, the chrome hoops compliment the look and bring it to life. Not sure but I would imagine oak in these sizes might give you the "presence" of larger drums while making for a lighter load and smaller footprint.
I'm a sucker for Fiberskyns on the the bass drum reso as well. For bass drum batters, I've actually stopped using any of the pre-muffled heads and moved to single-ply heads with bubble wrap added through the mic porthole to taste or to best fit the room. To my ear, the drums sound more lively.
Best of luck with the new family members!
Jason
wildbill
Platinum Member
You guys really put up some primo stuff. That Cherrywood finish is mighty fine.
I guess someone must have ordered that 18" silver bass drum individually. Too bad Yamaha
doesn't put out some stock sets like that. Maybe not enough demand.
I called Yamaha about those T rods for a couple reasons. I found them here: http://parts-search.yamaha.co.jp/ht.../Product/Model/model_e.php?model_code=MAB2018
item # 10-2, and somewhere (I forget where), I found the Yamaha price for them - Highway Robbery in the first degree.
Anyways, if you try to order them from that site, you have to put in dealer information. Also, if you look at the bottom right of the above link, under 10-2, it shows (6) directly after the number.
I thought maybe the price they're charging was for 6 of them, which would still be a little high, but reasonable for what they are. But noooooo - the price is for one.
LOL
There are some things about Yamaha that tick me off royally.
I guess someone must have ordered that 18" silver bass drum individually. Too bad Yamaha
doesn't put out some stock sets like that. Maybe not enough demand.
I called Yamaha about those T rods for a couple reasons. I found them here: http://parts-search.yamaha.co.jp/ht.../Product/Model/model_e.php?model_code=MAB2018
item # 10-2, and somewhere (I forget where), I found the Yamaha price for them - Highway Robbery in the first degree.
Anyways, if you try to order them from that site, you have to put in dealer information. Also, if you look at the bottom right of the above link, under 10-2, it shows (6) directly after the number.
I thought maybe the price they're charging was for 6 of them, which would still be a little high, but reasonable for what they are. But noooooo - the price is for one.
LOL
There are some things about Yamaha that tick me off royally.
evilg99
Platinum Member
Thanks guys.
I got the 16 T-rods in an eBay auction for $90, some guy had removed them from a small bass drum (an 18" maple custom I think) and sold them off. No die cast claws, just the t-rods.
The Yamaha cost for a whole assembly : T-Rod, Die cast claw, washers and clip retainer is...$27.95 each at my local dealer. Let me see....(27.95 x 16) + tax = $514.28 hahahahahahahahahahahaha - I have a set of Yamaha Jazz Rydeens that cost me less than half that!
Clearly, there are some things that Yamaha just don't want to be available for people to trick out their drums. You want those t-rods? Buy PHX, MCA or BCA. Same thing for the Aluminum Die Cast rims. I bought a replacement set for a 10" tom = $240 after tax. Insane.
At that price, those t-rods are meant for someone who lost one or somehow broke one.
Neal
I got the 16 T-rods in an eBay auction for $90, some guy had removed them from a small bass drum (an 18" maple custom I think) and sold them off. No die cast claws, just the t-rods.
The Yamaha cost for a whole assembly : T-Rod, Die cast claw, washers and clip retainer is...$27.95 each at my local dealer. Let me see....(27.95 x 16) + tax = $514.28 hahahahahahahahahahahaha - I have a set of Yamaha Jazz Rydeens that cost me less than half that!
Clearly, there are some things that Yamaha just don't want to be available for people to trick out their drums. You want those t-rods? Buy PHX, MCA or BCA. Same thing for the Aluminum Die Cast rims. I bought a replacement set for a 10" tom = $240 after tax. Insane.
At that price, those t-rods are meant for someone who lost one or somehow broke one.
Neal
wildbill
Platinum Member
It's more than just that. Someone posted here about getting a replacement for a worn drive shaft on a Yamaha double pedal.
After doing some checking, it turned out the price from Yamaha was over $300. Pretty sure it was at, or above, the price of the whole double pedal unit.
Needless to say - the poster chose to pass on that idea.
BGH
Gold Member
Thanks for the kind words. So did you buy the kick? You'll have a similar thing going on, a mix of Nouveau lugs and Absolute. I've gotten to the point that I don't even discuss my gear with the wife. She has her interests as well, so its kind of even.
Cool little kit, Neal. Its about time you picked them up
Nice touch with the t-rods. I agree that looking for spare parts used, is the way to go. I've also bought drums just to get the hardware, and sell off the parts I don't want. But, the price has to be right to make that work. I've got the same head combo on my Oak toms. Warm, but also very pronounced. You definitely seem to have an affinity for smaller kits. Enjoy them!Schinbein Drum Co
Junior Member
probably a bit off topic, but the Club Custom that they did/do(?) looks so cool. Before I bought my current kit, I was looking tossing between that and the saturn kit I eventually bought. I love the finishes. I think I might try to replicate that paint swirl on some of my custom work.
jbonzo1
Silver Member
Thanks a lot!
Now you have me thinking about that for my Club Customs... But not at that price!
evilg99
Platinum Member
T-rods would look good on a vintage vibe kit like the Club Customs for sure.
Try to look for used sets...but wait - who says they have to be Yamaha?
These would look good : http://www.drumfactorydirect.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=8500
Disclaimer: I don't know if those threads/ length fit whatever you're trying to outfit. Carefully check it out first. There are a surprising number of different threads/t-rod types/lengths that won't necessarily work with Yamaha lugs.
Neal