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Old 01-12-2018, 05:21 PM
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I thought this thread might be fun as well!

I am VERY thankful for all of the options in all kinds of price ranges for drummers these days. Also, I'm a very "right tools for the right job" sort of person, so I understand that many of the things below I mention might be the perfect thing for what you are doing, and that's ok. I'm sure there are exceptions for me as well. With that said, here are some drum trends I don't miss:

1. When I first started playing (early 1990's), the only drum sets available within my price range ALL had a 12" and 13" rack toms, a 16" floor tom, and a 22" kick.

2. To piggyback #1, those rack toms were always DEEP! Ugh. I don't miss square toms.

3. Paying good money for drums made of sub-par materials and crummy edges.

4. Stencil kits (some of them looked cool though).

5. Hardware that's way too heavy or way too flimsy (I think companies now make them just right).

6. Not mentioning names, but those drums that had those big scoops on the bottom (they looked like drums made out of a series of tubas).

7. Super-shallow floor toms (I like the shallow rack toms. I'm not so sure about those floor toms though)

8. That drum mounting system that let players recline. I'm sure they were comfy, but they looked a little ridiculous IMO.


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Square and short stack toms.
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  • Sears Roebuck drum sets, and any other department store no-name kits.
  • Skinny, cheap cymbal stands with wingnut bolts that crimped the riser sections when over-tightened.
  • Wingnuts made from a bolt and a cheap piece of metal spot-welded to the bolt.
  • Cymbal stands with the swivel mount attached to the riser post with an expansion pin (um, maybe that’s still around?)
  • Tom mounts that used a massive attachment to the shell of the tom that killed shell resonance (see Sonor Force 3000)
  • Tom mounts that attached to the bass drum hoop.
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- The 90's trend of piccolo snare as main snare, even in rock and metal bands (I went along for a little while)
- Square and power rack toms
- Huge, gaudy badges on both sides of drums so that you couldn't hide them
- 22" deep kicks
- Double bass being solely about dubba-dubba-dubba interminably
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Some of the things I don’t miss are,
- Unpredictable Cymbal Quality. I’ve heard amazing old A’s, but the variance between cymbals was much more drastic than it is now. You could mail order the same set of cymbals your favorite drummer has, and they could be WAY heavier and not as good. I like the quality control these days, so that the cymbals can vary in weight but still sound similar to each other.

- Crappy Learner Kits. I’ve seen some learner kits from places like Sears back in the 70’s that were complete crap compared to the Slingerlands and Ludwigs from the time. Nowadays, even Pearl’s lowest end kit can still sound good with some nice Level 360 G1’s.

- Drums that are actually ROUND, which is pretty self explanatory. I’ve seen and heard old US made drums that were WAY out of round and still sounded good, but forget about low tuning! I feel bad for the parents in the 60’s who bought their kids a kit that was untuneable in the lower range. Nowadays, you can probably get an Export to sound good JAW, without some the rods falling out and others being tight.
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Hydraulic heads.

Dead Ringers.

Power toms. Glad I tried them so I could get them out of my system.
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Hanging floor toms, total pain in the arse!
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I too do not miss "power" toms. Peace and goodwill.
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I too do not miss "power" toms. Peace and goodwill.
I love my power toms. I do not miss hanging toms either.
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+1 for power toms. Being a short git means those babies were always at crazy angles over the bass drum.

The whole 12/13/16 tom setup - never got on with the 13 (see above).

I also do NOT miss not being able to use internet to see/hear a huge range of kit before buying. I remember with horror having to trawl to the drum shop (I'd say local but where I lived it was 2 buses and a tube ride away) to hear what paltry selection they had to choose from. No thanks.
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I also do NOT miss not being able to use internet to see/hear a huge range of kit before buying. I remember with horror having to trawl to the drum shop (I'd say local but where I lived it was 2 buses and a tube ride away) to hear what paltry selection they had to choose from. No thanks.
And when I grew up, the closest local drum shop was far enough away it might as well have been on Mars when I was too young to drive. I ordered a LOT of stuff from mail-order catalogs sight unseen when I was a kit. And some of it I regretted. A *lot*.

Oh, and that reminds me: The old clip-style tom mounts. Not missed at all.
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And when I grew up, the closest local drum shop was far enough away it might as well have been on Mars when I was too young to drive. I ordered a LOT of stuff from mail-order catalogs sight unseen when I was a kit. And some of it I regretted. A *lot*.

Yup, I remember way back when shipping on drum sets was a beast! I couldn't believe it the first time I saw "Free Shipping on Drums!" It was like a revolution had happened or something.
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- The 90's trend of piccolo snare as main snare, even in rock and metal bands (I went along for a little while)
I feel inclined to count how many times some drummers made them sound like utter crap.
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- Tom mounts that required hand tools to adjust. My first kit was a Ludwig Rocker II. The tom mount had a wing nut to adjust tom angle one way, but required a wrench to loosen/tighten and adjust angle the other direction.

- Bass drum pedals that have the spring assembly up high, sort of parallel with the beater instead of mounted next to the frame post. Maybe they're still around but I haven't seen one in quite a while.

- Square size bass drums. Played a kit once in a shop with a 20x20 bass drum; didn't understand it then, don't understand it now.

- Couldn't agree more with the picollo as main snare trend. Thanks for coming, but buh bye

- Tama Air ride snare stand; a snare drum with a starcast mount requiring a special stand with a tom arm coming out of the stand. I love Tama but they pooped the bed on that one

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1. When I first started playing (early 1990's), the only drum sets available within my price range ALL had a 12" and 13" rack toms, a 16" floor tom, and a 22" kick.
I tend to agree, 12", 13" and 16" is not the ideal combination for a five piece kit. I think the current trend of 10", 12" and 16" is far superior. But 13" and 16" in a four piece is nice. 11", 13" and 16" would probably be a cool five piece!

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- Tama Air ride snare stand; a snare drum with a starcast mount requiring a special stand with a tom arm coming out of the stand. I love Tama but they pooped the bed on that one
Haha, I remember wanting that snare assembly back when they were first advertised. Never got to play one though...
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Yea....

Put me down for hydraulic heads, rail\consolette mounts for toms, prior to Tama any non-Rogers hardware, after Tama any non-Tama or non-Yamaha hardware. Early edrums, most 80s\90s drum "sounds"...
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Hydraulic heads.
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They're still in production though, aren't they? But yeah, horrible idea...
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Square size toms? Nico McBrain swears by them. I know '1' other drummer who does too.

Particle board shells (PERAL EXPORT), altho arguably REMO perfected particle board construction with their ACOUSTICON shells.

The anemic sound of piccolo snare drums as a main snare? Im in.

Paiste COLOUR SOUND cymbals? No thx.

Rack cages? Pfffffft!

Kinda miffed as to why spinner front BD heads never caught on....?
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Definitely deep toms and bass drums... piccolo snares... pastel finishes... concert toms... drum gloves... cages... gongs... OK, essentially the 80's.
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These pretty much sum it up for me. At least as for what I can think of off the top of my head (in roughly chronological order).
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I'll chime in with power toms too. I grew up playing them and they sound great but positioning was always a pain. I'm not a tall guy. I like square floor toms however.

I think back to when I used to use really heavy hardware and now I wonder; why? It's so unnecessary. I love that light weight hardware is readily available from many brands. The DW UL cymbal stands are my new best friends.

I always hated colored sticks. Get the hell away from my cymbals with that shit.
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Roto Toms were fun for about 2 seconds.
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Rack toms mounted flat, because they look cool. Hint: they don't.
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Roto Toms were fun for about 2 seconds.
For real. They sound like the taste of wax crayons.
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Particle board shells (PERAL EXPORT), altho arguably REMO perfected particle board construction with their ACOUSTICON shells.
A Facebook friend of mine recently posted this picture of the bottom of his Remo "acousticon" djembe. After the rubber backing wore off, the shell just began absorbing moisture from the air. Glorified papier mâché, basically ?
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Wow.
That looks like spray foam insulation gone bad!
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I don't miss rack tom mounting brackets that are bolted right to the shell.

Different types of screw heads on the same drum, ala Ludwig.

Proprietary anything.
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A Facebook friend of mine recently posted this picture of the bottom of his Remo "acousticon" djembe. After the rubber backing wore off, the shell just began absorbing moisture from the air. Glorified papier mâché, basically ?


This is fake news. Acousticon is a process that uses particle board material, some other material we're seeing here.
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Its an Acousticon Djembe, I can dream those things. They are much thicker then the drum shells:




Could be that the Acousticon was exposed to water for a period of time.
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This is fake news. Acousticon is a process that uses particle board material, some other material we're seeing here.
Looks like spray foam to these old eyes.
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Although the trend is still around, it’s thankfully less common: mounting of rack toms on the kick and as if that’s not enough, spreading them poles apart - like such (I’m sure there are better examples out there but this gives you an idea of what I’m talking about):
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Hydraulic heads.

Dead Ringers.

Power toms. Glad I tried them so I could get them out of my system.
With you on the Hydraulics. Why those god damn awful things are back in fashion I´ll never know.
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Although the trend is still around, it’s thankfully less common: mounting of rack toms on the kick and as if that’s not enough, spreading them poles apart - like such (I’m sure there are better examples out there but this gives you an idea of what I’m talking about):
I've noticed most manufacturers are now doing the mount in the kick thing as standard now, which upsets me greatly. Probably means virgin kicks are gonna be special order now like they were 20 years ago.
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In the mid 90s there was a fad / fashion for drummers to buy kits with undrilled kick drums. Which isn’t that convienent for tom placement etc.and every time I came across one of these kits on stage or in the studio they were filled with all manner of dampening.


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Pedals galore..... HiHat, Remote HiHat, Double bass pedal, electronic bass trigger pedal etc.......looked like everyone was Rick Allen or something with three or 4 freakin pedals for the left foot...

Aforementioned power toms, twin tom mounts coming off the bass (looking at you 1980s Pearl).

Shells made of compressed sawdust......again looking at you 1980s Pearl.....

Rocktagon......

Zildjian platinum cymbals......I must confess to just retiring my 14" Platinum New Beats though....

Roto Toms......although the 6" served as my cowbell during high school.....crank that thing up.....

Everyone flailing around behind the kit thinking they were Tommy Lee with monkey arms on a 7' 150lb frame....... sure you are late on 2 or 4 every other bar but hey it looked "cool"......watch this stick flip.....

The trend of stick holders all over the kit like you were hiding friggin' Easter eggs for children......like having stick break or fly out of your hand uncontrollably multiple times per song is a normal thing.....
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Hydraulic heads.



Power toms.
I always like the look of power toms (especially 2 toms, and double bass- my dream set of the 80's- never got it though), but the depth is not practical, and made extreme tom angles, of which I don't like the look of...
(But, yea, power toms look a little.."off" to me today.)

I also don't like the look of short or "fast" size toms, to me they also don't look "right"to my eye- (whatever right is). ymmv


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Removing Bass reso head to display 18" of chrome tom mount post and a heap of laundry.

Cymbals mounted so high you need a step ladder to reach them.

Flat cymbals, flat toms.

Deep bass drums.

Power toms and shallow toms, but especially power toms.
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I feel inclined to count how many times some drummers made them sound like utter crap.

For me the best representation of this is on Two Princes by the Spin Doctors. Aaron Comess' feel and groove are great but that snare sound wrecks it for me, particularly that horrible intro....
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This is fake news. Acousticon is a process that uses particle board material, some other material we're seeing here.
That's what happens when it gets damp or wet sadly. I've seen an Acousticon snare stored in a damp atmosphere that was going through the same process on the bearing edges. Not as bad, but the same thing basically. It's notorious for it.
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For me the best representation of this is on Two Princes by the Spin Doctors. Aaron Comess' feel and groove are great but that snare sound wrecks it for me, particularly that horrible intro....
Wow you find that horrible? I love it and think its iconic. That Brady piccolo really excels there.
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