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Old 12-02-2017, 07:02 PM
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I think Im at the point where I really cant listen to the classic rock stations playing the same 100 or so classic rock songs Ive been hearing every day for the last 30 years anymore. I usually end up at the classical station now, who da thunk it? While the frilly, fruity stuff doesn't do it as much for me, I find that every once in a while they'll play something with a bit more of an edge, sometimes quite sinister, and best case scenario, stuff with some nice percussion. Can anyone recommend some good classical for me to check out? At my infancy with rock music, it needed to have an edge, to sound mysterious and perhaps dark. I guess my infancy stage with classical is the same. Thanks in advance for any recommendations!
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Old 12-02-2017, 07:04 PM
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Couldn't hurt to look into Rachmaninoff.
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Night on Bald Mountain, by Mussorgsky
Symphonie Fantastique, by Berlioz
The Rite of Spring, by Stravinsky
The Firebird, by Stravinsky
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Try:
Stravinsky (start with Rite of Spring, Firebird, Petrouchka)
Varese (Ionisation)
Bartok (can't get much darker than Music for Strings, Percussion, and Celesta)
early John Cage
Xenakis

Don't expect the music to instantly satisfy your taste-- pick a few things and keep listening to them until you love them.
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Old 12-02-2017, 07:40 PM
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Awesome, thanks fellas!! Definitely gona check these out. I remember reading a Zappa interview where he referenced Varese Ionisation, but I couldn't remember the composer or title...thanks big time! Im excited to expand my mind.

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Don't expect the music to instantly satisfy your taste-- pick a few things and keep listening to them until you love them.

...also perfect advice for me regarding jazz, which I still have tons to discover and love!

Thanks again!
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Holst The Planets
Prokofiev Scythian Suite
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Old 12-02-2017, 07:51 PM
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Added to my list, thanks pgm554...
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William Tell Overture. Little of everything. Slow , fast, slow , fast. Lone Ranger theme
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Old 12-02-2017, 08:34 PM
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Thanks Grunt, Ill check that out as well! This is great...
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Old 12-02-2017, 08:38 PM
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Anything with Leroy Anderson. N ot really classical but full orchestra and lots of percussion. Sleigh Ride for one.
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Old 12-02-2017, 09:05 PM
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I prefer Chinese classical music, especially for percussion where it's considered the center piece. Also Chinese classical music despite having possibly the largest and longest history to draw on, do a great job of composing and playing new pieces.

But, in general classical music sounds too childish to me, like people that have had someone tell them where to put there fingers since they were born, and never really grew up.
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Old 12-02-2017, 09:43 PM
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More and more to check out, thanks fellas...
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Old 12-02-2017, 10:29 PM
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DW forum members never cease to amaze me.

And what a wonderful idea for a thread it is indeed.

I'll be checking out all the suggested composers, pronto!
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Yup ya'll are the best!! Thanks Mike
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Old 12-03-2017, 10:52 AM
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Ravel's Bolero

Bizet Carmen Suite (basically the karaoke to the opera)...lovely music, stacks of which has been borrowed for commercials and has otherwise found its way into your consciousness without your knowing it.
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Some truly excellent suggestions here. I'm going to throw in a curved ball and suggest Vivaldi, and specifically the Four Seasons which everybody thinks they're sick to death of, through having had to listen to it whilst being kept on hold and periodically being told that their call is important. It's a gem, full of colours that sparkle or glow or shimmer or burst. Don't be put off by the fact that it's very, very pretty - there's much more to it than that.
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Some truly excellent suggestions here. I'm going to throw in a curved ball and suggest Vivaldi, and specifically the Four Seasons which everybody thinks they're sick to death of, through having had to listen to it whilst being kept on hold and periodically being told that their call is important. It's a gem, full of colours that sparkle or glow or shimmer or burst. Don't be put off by the fact that it's very, very pretty - there's much more to it than that.
Except there's no percussion.
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Slightly different - check out John Rutter's 'Gloria' for choir, organ, brass and percussion. Especially the 1st and 3rd movements. I conducted this work in 2001 - a highlight of my school conducting career.
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Except there's no percussion.
No there isn't, but there's a considerable amount of string-playing that sounds percussive.
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I will leave you with Aaron Copland, and his Billy the Kid suite. Copland wrote a lot of what I will call Americana music, and tends to be all over the place, but the Billy The Kid Suite is fantastic. Enjoy.
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Brahms is dark in a sort of melodramatic way. I prefer to use "orchestral" over "classical" music, because classical isa period in orchestral music (think Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven). If you want something with percussion, perhaps you can look into 20th Century orchestral music.

Stravinsky (Firebird, Rite of Spring, Petruska)
Bartok (Miraculous Mandarin, Concerto for Orchestra)
Mahler (5th, etc.)
Bernstein (Symphony 1, West Side Story)

Or try this, Mayazumi's Concerto for Percussion and Wind Ensemble: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTraLVAlhdY

It's an incredibly violent piece of music.
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Also don't forget there's some great classic film scores that do this, especially up through the early 80's when it was still ok to have melodic content and dynamics in film music.

Jerry Goldsmith's "Planet of the Apes" and James Horner's "Wrath of Khan" are two of my personal favorites.

There's also some great stuff from Kurasawa films but i have to go back and try to remember which pieces are dark and percussive and which are more ambient or hokey comedic cowboy tunes (still great in their execution but maybe not what you're looking for...)
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Here's a good overview of music for percussion in the classical/conservatory music realm in the 20th century and after.

Do look up that John Cage stuff-- it's not dark, exactly, put it's easy to get and often pretty hilarious.
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Wagner's Das Rheingold, Die WalkŁre (the Valkyries), etc., from Der Ring des Nibelungen

Carl Orff (like the Orff percussion instruments...) Carmina Burana

links are just the first I saw (there are many)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMUXoixXvX8

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Old 12-03-2017, 05:35 PM
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I've hit the absolute jackpot with this thread. You people are wonderful! So much to check out, can't thank you enough. And yes, it's ok if it doesn't have percussion, percussions just a perc ;)

Yeah ConcertTom, some movie scores are great. I love Star Wars stuff, and come to think of it, the Planet of the Apes has a pretty amazing score with all that frantic percussion....nice call!
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Old 12-03-2017, 05:43 PM
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Taiko this description is killing me....

"It's an incredibly violent piece of music."


I love it, want to make that my signature quote for some reason lol. What an ominous description of a piece of music.

And violent it was indeed!! That was awesome.

Yes ORCHESTRAL music, more fitting....thank you

Gongs' Percolations came to mind for some reason, kind of orchestral, great percussion, right? kinda lol
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Taiko this description is killing me....

"It's an incredibly violent piece of music."


I love it, want to make that my signature quote for some reason lol. What an ominous description of a piece of music.

And violent it was indeed!! That was awesome.

Yes ORCHESTRAL music, more fitting....thank you

Gongs' Percolations came to mind for some reason, kind of orchestral, great percussion, right? kinda lol
Glad you liked it! Also, if non-percussion is ok, too, then I'd recommend some Mozart. For example, his Requiem is rather dark, as is his opera Don Giovanni (it ends with the main character descending into Hell). Actually, quite a bit of Mozart's music has a dark side to it.

I've liked the Mayazumi since I was a kid and it's probably a major reason I got interested in percussion. My father is a retired music professor and the wind ensemble he conducted performed that piece--I was mesmerized.

You are more than welcome to use it as your signature quote.
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Old 12-03-2017, 06:46 PM
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Thanks buddy!! Thanks for the bit of history too, thats great about your dad, I can see why this music would have meaning to you. Def gona check out your recommendations. Next I gotta hit a nice symphony hall and get some of this action first hand....close my eyes and really drink it in. (I hear everything better eyes closed)



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Thanks buddy!! Thanks for the bit of history too, thats great about your dad, I can see why this music would have meaning to you. Def gona check out your recommendations. Next I gotta hit a nice symphony hall and get some of this action first hand....close my eyes and really drink it in. (I hear everything better eyes closed)



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Sure thing! If you happen to be in the Boston area, Symphony Hall is an amazing place, as is Mechanics Hall in Worcester. And like any music, live is much better than recorded when it comes to orchestral music. Thanks for posting this thread! I've enjoyed reading everyone's responses.
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Another great piece of recorded music that does not have percussion and isn't even orchestral but is dark, super intense and mind blowing (to me)

"Starker plays Kodaly"

Janos Starker lending his cello to Kodaly's Unaccompnied Cello Sonata and also a Duo for Violin and Cello.

I always imagine that the cello could sound like Coltrane. This record is probably why.
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I think things are sort of covered.

Carmina is probably the easiest one to get into. Everyone knows O, Fortuna, but that's just the beginning and end. It's a lot of melodic percussion. Took five of us to pull it off when I played it. I did gong, snare and triangle.


I think you'll find a lot of interesting stuff in the classical world even if you go for the big popular names, just look for something besides the "hits" everybody knows.

If you find the popular classical stuff to be like a pop song you've heard a milion times too often I'll just say Stravinsky and Bartůk regardless of what you're looking for.
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Absolute goldmine here! You all have opened my ears to some wonderful stuff, so much to enjoy. This rocks
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A personal favorite is "Leaping Tiger Rising Dragon"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xPOE6xg5IE
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Some percussion heavy pieces that I've played, are:
The Planets by Holst and Pictures At An Exhibition by Mussorgsky.
These are great pieces with a lot of percussion.
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Just as a quick aside, you should look into music that was written for the movies.
I just played the overtures from Robin Hood, Spartacus and, of course, Star Wars. Great stuff, lots of fun!
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Some other suggestions for things that are "accessible", not because I am being condescending, but because stuff that I have enjoyed...

Dvorak's New World Symphony
Concerto de Aranjuez (no percussion but lovely classical guitar)
Any Tchaikovsky ballet music...it was written for dancing after all!
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Carmina is probably the easiest one to get into. Everyone knows O, Fortuna, but that's just the beginning and end. It's a lot of melodic percussion. Took five of us to pull it off when I played it. I did gong, snare and triangle.


I think you'll find a lot of interesting stuff in the classical world even if you go for the big popular names, just look for something besides the "hits" everybody knows.

If you find the popular classical stuff to be like a pop song you've heard a milion times too often I'll just say Stravinsky and Bartůk regardless of what you're looking for.
I didnít even think about Carmina Burana. Thatís an awesome timpani part.

That reminds me, Symphonic Metamorphosis by Hindemith, 2nd and 4th movements. Thatís really good. Some wonderful timpani licks, really challenging to pull off perfectly.
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For dark and sinister, there is Generals Mandate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enybHUN3tFA

I especially like the accelerando in the beginning.
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Probably not exactly what you are looking for, but does melancholy count as "dark?" If so, you can search for "Melancholy Moods" at Amazon or iTunes, and get 100 classical pieces for real cheap. Not much percussion though. There is a bit of opera in it too, which I don't care for myself. But there are only 4 or 5 of them with vocals in this collection. I like classical music that is mostly mellow, slower and moody. This collection is right up my alley for that.

If you like a great mix of classical melodies with rock music, check out Apollo 100, if you haven't heard of them already. They did great renditions of Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin, and other classical composers. They did Bach's "Joy" that was a top 40 hit. But they also did covers of modern songs too (from the 60s and 70s.)

Here is just one example of them doing Mozart. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_vPkcWPvy4
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Delusion of the Fury, Harry Partch

Zappa Classical stuff like his London Symphony albums

La Mer, Debussy

Broadway? The classical double CD of West Side Story has lots of percussion and drums
Wicked is pretty awesome on drums too.
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