DRUMMERWORLD OFFICIAL DISCUSSION FORUM   

Go Back   DRUMMERWORLD OFFICIAL DISCUSSION FORUM > General Discussion

General Discussion General discussion forum for all drum related topics. Use this forum to exchange ideas and information with your fellow drummers.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 10-12-2017, 03:53 AM
aaronmcd aaronmcd is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 67
Default Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

Hey all, still new enough to this forum so I don't know if there is a "new thread" stigma around here - just let me know!

I posted a couple weeks back about looking for a teacher and chose one. Been practicing daily for maybe 2 or 3 months on drills, rolls, basic beats, combinations etc. I'm now getting in a session a week on a kit in a local rehearsal space.

Anyway, I figured as much as my end goal isn't playing covers, it would help me appreciate drums more as an instrument and get a feel for incorporating drums into music if I learn some easy songs. I have been shying away from the classic "learn AC DC" thing but finally gave in to myself, printed out some sheet music and went to the studio.

Holy balls, that's hard! I naively thought maybe a few months of coordination practice and lessons would make an easy song easy. But after the 21.5 bars of a simple beat (you shook me all night long), I suddenly was like BLLAAAHHHH pppthhhh.

Took me a half hour without the music just to almost get through the next 8 bars at a slightly slower tempo. Turn on the tune and utterly fail again as soon as anything but the basic beat comes in. And I absolutely can't pick all the drums out of the song by ear.

Should I hold off another month or 2 on trying to learn easy songs, or should I power through a couple? Would it do any good to spend a solid month just trying to learn an easy song (on top of all the basics I am training)?

Thanks for any help guys!
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-12-2017, 04:37 AM
lefty2's Avatar
lefty2 lefty2 is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: I live in near Wichita, Kansas U.S.A
Posts: 2,144
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

At this point playing anything is good. You'll get more comfortable the more you do it. It takes most people a long time to play and make it sound like music. You can play those simple beats without the music and get used to playing them. It would be best if you played along with a metronome. that will help you play steady tempos. Play whatever tempo that you are capable of and after a you get good at that tempo bump it up a little. Warning, drums are habit forming and may take the rest of your life to learn. Just play and take lessons, the rest will come in time.
__________________
Tama SC performer 2003 5pc.
Yamaha PTC 1988 5pc.
Zildjian A, K
Sabian AA,AAX,HH,
Paiste Sig.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-12-2017, 05:13 AM
JustJames's Avatar
JustJames JustJames is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Sydney Australia
Posts: 2,913
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

Paying songs is what it's all about.

Carry on with playing songs, but remember, all of those guys playing easy songs are professionals, and ironically, one of the toughest things to do is to play something straightforward and give it authority and groove.

Others to try...

Billie Jean
Honky Tonk Women
Wicked Game
Pretty Woman
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-12-2017, 05:26 AM
tjohnson tjohnson is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 4
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

I've been playing for almost 2 years now. You sound like I did in the first several months. You seem like you've taken a researched and disciplined approach to learning the drums.

I highly recommend diving into sheet music or learning by ear to set yourself up to play along to songs as part of your regular routine.

It's been a slow process for me to build up my internal library of recognizable patterns to make it easier to learn new songs. I feel it's paid off for me approaching learning both from sheet music and 'transcribing' (I use this word but that doesn't mean I'm always writing it down, I'm talking about learning parts by ear and committing to memory here as well, but often I do write it down for posterity).

My advice is start putting time into playing to songs early. Your failures can guide your instructor in providing guidance if you communicate it. You'll also be able to change the way you practice to cover your current shortcomings when playing with music. I use songs I'm interested in learning to push me to greater tempos with current techniques and learn new techniques and patterns. I find that motivates me more than being able to hit a particular rudiment or pattern at a particular tempo solely for the sake of general prociency.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-12-2017, 09:04 AM
Magenta's Avatar
Magenta Magenta is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Gwlad Cymru
Posts: 3,195
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

There are apps that you can load your music on to, which allow you to change the tempo. You can then play along to a real song at a speed that is comfortable and achievable for you. You can also loop part of the song - that nasty tricky bit! - so that you can practise it over and over again, nice and slowly, until you've nailed it and then incorporate it seamlessly into the rest of the piece.

Having your caek and eating it is always good.
__________________
Thinly veiled angel

Ladies & gentlemen, I've suffered for my art. Now it's your turn (Neil Innes)
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-12-2017, 09:22 AM
Pocket-full-of-gold's Avatar
Pocket-full-of-gold Pocket-full-of-gold is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Melbourne, Australia.
Posts: 11,214
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronmcd View Post
Should I hold off another month or 2 on trying to learn easy songs, or should I power through a couple?
Power on through. Definitely.

If you can't play time, you can't play drums. It's really that simple. That's not said to be discouraging, but rather to impart to you the fundamental responsibility of being a drummer driving a live band.

The more you practice that basic skill, the more it becomes ingrained. There are many, many things you can work on in order to become a great drummer, but the most basic of these skills is learning to lay it down. To become the bedrock that all the other instruments launch off.

Don't shy away from it. Embrace it.....as early as you can......and get better as a result.

No one said it was easy. But it is a fundamental requirement.

Have at it. Learn it. And in no time you'll be enjoying it.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-12-2017, 10:35 AM
Woolwich Woolwich is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 560
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

Hi aaronmcd, yes as has been said it's about playing songs. As a self taught drummer my first experience of drumming was setting up a broken down old kit in a youth club and sitting down and trying, to this day I don't know a paradiddle from a Ratamacue but I can play the backside off a rock song. I recently had to learn the shuffle intro to Ballroom Blitz, I found a great video that really helped me......and it ended by suggesting you play the bass drum like this! Which inItself was a total mind bender but the entire focus was on the hands.
As for the suggestion about AC/DC songs being easy that in my opinion isn't true. Sometimes es the drum beats are "deceptively simple" until you delve into them, I think people mistake a lack of fills with simplicity , a point I disagree with. Many AC/DC songs have "a moment" in there that even experienced drummers need to sit back and think about. Plus in You Shook Me All Night Long you're tackling one of the less straightforward AC/DC songs, we play it in our set and I enjoy it immensely because there's a challenge to the whole song including the cymbal crashes before the solo and in the outro that I'm not at all surprised to hear would flummox a newer player.

But get stuck in, play songs and I suggest Highway To He'll if you're in an AC/DC mood as a less tricky option. It still has its mo nets though :-)
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-12-2017, 11:50 AM
Odd-Arne Oseberg's Avatar
Odd-Arne Oseberg Odd-Arne Oseberg is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Sykkylven, Møre og Romsdal, Norway
Posts: 3,317
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

Definetly keep working those fundamental hand things you're doing.

Playing a groove at the kit is a completely different thing and you should do that as well. That's you'll probably end up doing the most, but getting in on a roiutine with hand technique, learning how to read and so on will help that, too. It will help a lot, because you'll both know, understand what you're doing and be able to communicate as well.
__________________
So, kick drum...or...bass drum? I'll tell you what. If it's 18" or less, it's a FOOT TOM.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-12-2017, 03:22 PM
DrumWild DrumWild is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 387
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

When you learn those "deceptively simple" performances, you realize that even if you get the notes technically correct, there's still something missing. There are so many subtle things behind the notes, the time, the rhythm, and more.

Playing covers while learning is important, because it immerses you into certain things.

I recently started taking Music Theory lessons and I asked the guy how it was that I could survive 35 years making music without knowing any of the terminology or what was what. He said that living in the West, listening to the music on a constant basis, and learning to play covers contributed to my "knowledge" about this [among other things]. Immersion!

You'll get this feeling that "this is how the song goes." Intros, breaks, fills, transitions, heading into the chorus, going into a bridge, what to play over solos, what to play with singing.

It's almost like inheriting knowledge via osmosis.

So when you hear about how Paul McCartney knew nothing about Music Theory, and yet wrote the songs that he wrote, remember that he spent years playing covers in clubs. Over time, he absorbed what was going on, and put enough work into it to make those things his own by putting his own twist onto it.

Don't get discouraged, and keep it up!
__________________
I don't really feel like I belong here, so please feel free to delete my account.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-12-2017, 03:57 PM
Josidiah's Avatar
Josidiah Josidiah is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Tokyo
Posts: 49
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

Definitely keep playing songs as much as you can. The trick, though, is to remember and apply all the basics that your drum instructor is trying to beat into you: how you hold your sticks, the different strokes, your posture and all that.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 10-12-2017, 04:30 PM
larryace's Avatar
larryace larryace is online now
"Uncle Larry"
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: In beautiful Bucks County, PA
Posts: 20,064
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

Don't breeze past the basics thinking they are "too easy". Biggest mistake for beginner drummers is not focusing on the very basic of the basics. The basics are all you really need to be a gigging drummer with groove and lyric based songs.

Because when you are a gigging drummer for non extreme music, the basics are what you will be playing most of the night.

A lot of beginner drummers approach their instrument like a lead instrument.

Don't do that. Understand that the drums hold up everything, they aren't meant for lead playing. Playing well within your skillset....comes off way better.

One of the hardest things is to just keep it steady. Most guys want to play their toms way too much. Or their cymbals. They don't yet get the value of space in music. Drummers need to restrain themselves from getting too notey.
It's a maturity thing. You eventually get past the need to "be creative" or "show off", and then at that point you start really understanding what the drums purpose in a band is.
__________________
Levis/Hanes/Timberlands/Custom made socks
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 10-12-2017, 04:34 PM
Infamous Beater Infamous Beater is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 55
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

Hey Aaron,

I think AC/DC is among the hardest things to play as a beginner. I recommend the White Stripes as a great starting point, partly because the arrangements are so spare, there's no doubt what's being played on drums.

I also recommend drumless tracks. You can find some free ones on Youtube. What I do in my practice time and for fun is to load up an iPod playlist with a favorite song followed by the drumless version. When I'm trying to learn, I often play along with record, play the main parts on my own, then marry what I'm playing to the drumless track.

Here's a good source of drumless versions: http://www.karaoke-version.com/drums...ight-long.html
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 10-12-2017, 04:51 PM
mrfingers's Avatar
mrfingers mrfingers is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: pennsylvania
Posts: 322
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

Yes, sure, play to songs but...use them as metronomes(ignore fills and any "tricky" parts). Once you learn the basic beats, to slow and medium tempo songs, increase to a faster tempo song and an even slower tempo song, still ignoring the fills. Now add the rudiments just on the snare using the songs as tempo guides to see how they might fit in. Soon you'll see how a fill works: which hand should you start with, which to end with, where's the "1" or the "2", etc...
This is where the real drum kit learning starts.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 10-12-2017, 04:53 PM
Matthew L's Avatar
Matthew L Matthew L is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Baltimore, MD, USA
Posts: 9
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

Hi Aaron,

My two cents:

I had a martial arts instructor who would often say, "Simple does not mean easy."

I think that "simple" grooves can really highlight your weaknesses because there's nowhere to hide.

FWIW,

Matt
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 10-12-2017, 05:29 PM
Superferrite Superferrite is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 16
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

I found ac/dc too hard and tried CCR. It was tough as well but Cosmo seemed to have less accents than Rudd, even though he throws in fills here and there.
You may have even heard the songs enough (if you're older) that it will help.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 10-12-2017, 05:45 PM
brentcn brentcn is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,631
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronmcd View Post
Should I hold off another month or 2 on trying to learn easy songs, or should I power through a couple? Would it do any good to spend a solid month just trying to learn an easy song (on top of all the basics I am training)?
When you're practicing fundamentals (beats, fills, coordination, reading), what will NOT happen is that you'll magically become able to play songs. Many songs have parts that are not taught in books, and need to be practiced separately.

BUT YES, you should practice songs!

If a part is too difficult, simplify it until it's more manageable. Slow down the recording (you can do this on YouTube now) and see if that helps.

For example, if a beat is too tricky to play, remove the hi-hat or ride part, and just try to play the kick and snare (snare would still be played with the left hand). After a couple days of this, add back in the hi-hat part, and see if it feels more manageable.

Songs will also teach you technique, because when you're practicing by yourself you can stop and take a break at any moment. But when playing a song you'll learn to relax and think ahead so that you can play without stopping for 4-5 minutes.

Quote:
Billie Jean
Honky Tonk Women
Wicked Game
Pretty Woman
Quote:
Highway To He'll
Quote:
the White Stripes
Great ideas here. For a beginner, Shook Me All Night Long is not slow or simple.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 10-12-2017, 05:56 PM
Rochelle, Rochelle's Avatar
Rochelle, Rochelle Rochelle, Rochelle is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: The ATX
Posts: 106
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

I would not start with You Shook Me All Night Long. Just displacing that bass drum from 3 to the and of 3 threw me off for a while. The first songs I tried to play along to were Tom Petty "I Won't Back Down" and Survivor "Eye of The Tiger".

I greatly increased my confidence when I started playing those songs because I could play the basic beat and a few fills for 3 to 4 minutes at the tempo of those songs. Just being able to say I played through a whole song was great for me even if I did make a mistake here or there.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 10-12-2017, 09:13 PM
Smoke Smoke is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Lansing, MI, USA
Posts: 639
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

As already mentioned, the drum parts for simple songs aren't always "simple." I had a VERY tough time getting past CCR's "Looking Out my Back Door." But when it clicked, syncopated beats never flummoxed me again.

Vocalists singing out of meter, syncopated beats, drums not starting on count "1", drums played behind or ahead of the beat and a bunch of other 'flies' get stuck in the ointment of a "simple" song. When you can identify each of these "flies" in a song, the simple songs will become simple(r!).

I try to lock in with the bassist where possible, and ignore the vocals and guitars as timekeepers. It won't be long and you'll be able to identify and overcome all the flies in simple songs. Keep at it!
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 10-12-2017, 09:30 PM
TripleStroke's Avatar
TripleStroke TripleStroke is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Markham, ON
Posts: 217
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Superferrite View Post
I found ac/dc too hard and tried CCR. It was tough as well but Cosmo seemed to have less accents than Rudd, even though he throws in fills here and there.
You may have even heard the songs enough (if you're older) that it will help.
Really??? My band covers Six CCR songs and i find them wayyy harder (in relative terms... theyre hardly "hard" in grand scheme of things) than ACDC

Just something about the snare and tom tom work for Cosmos fills just got me a while to master... i think he enjoys leading with the left hand a lotta times as a ghost note (example of Travellin band). He is very smooth with that subtle half beat left hand lead because he uses traditional grip i think. Anyways yea ACDC to me, didnt seem difficult at all one bit for me.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 10-12-2017, 09:42 PM
New Tricks New Tricks is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: AZ
Posts: 1,925
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

You have to crawl before you can walk.

Play "easy" songs until they are actually easy and you can feel your part...... and then learn to play them right :)
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 10-12-2017, 11:52 PM
JustJames's Avatar
JustJames JustJames is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Sydney Australia
Posts: 2,913
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Infamous Beater View Post
...
Here's a good source of drumless versions: http://www.karaoke-version.com/drums...ight-long.html
You can also use karaoke-version to create a mix that brings the drums to the front, so you can hear what's going on really clearly, and then when you have learnt what to play, create another version of the mix with the drums way down, so you can hear when you go adrift.

You can also add a click into the mix...all in all a great resource that goes way further than just drumless tracks.

Another point is that when you listen to a song, simplify the groove to the point where you can play it easily and then build the complexity back in as things get easier.

And find people to play music with. If "all" that you can do is keep time, you will be welcomed with open arms.

Have fun!
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 10-13-2017, 03:06 AM
Superferrite Superferrite is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 16
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

Quote:
Originally Posted by TripleStroke View Post
Really??? My band covers Six CCR songs and i find them wayyy harder (in relative terms... theyre hardly "hard" in grand scheme of things) than ACDC

Just something about the snare and tom tom work for Cosmos fills just got me a while to master... i think he enjoys leading with the left hand a lotta times as a ghost note (example of Travellin band). He is very smooth with that subtle half beat left hand lead because he uses traditional grip i think. Anyways yea ACDC to me, didnt seem difficult at all one bit for me.
Alright, you have a point. I was thinking broadly of the catalog and Cosmo is a fave of mine for straight ahead rock because of that nuance.

May I then humbly suggest ELO? The Greatest Hits are pretty recognizable even today, and Bevan keeps it pretty simple but has a good assortment of beats.
He was double tracking them, after all.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 10-13-2017, 01:31 PM
Mozart1220 Mozart1220 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 100
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Superferrite View Post
Alright, you have a point. I was thinking broadly of the catalog and Cosmo is a fave of mine for straight ahead rock because of that nuance.

May I then humbly suggest ELO? The Greatest Hits are pretty recognizable even today, and Bevan keeps it pretty simple but has a good assortment of beats.
He was double tracking them, after all.
A Lot of ELO after the 70's was a machine as well. " Don't Bring me Down" doesn't even have a fill.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 10-13-2017, 03:18 PM
iCe's Avatar
iCe iCe is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 56
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

I still remember that i nailed 'You Got To Fight For Your Right (To Party)' by Beasty Boys for the first time. The second bass drum hit (on the 3 - A) while your right hand playing quarter notes on the ride bell was giving me nightmares!

But once i mastered it, i felt like a champ! Took a lot of practice thought and that's the moral of story.

For fun now i regularly try to play The Black Page, but i struggle to play the first bar correctly and i enjoy the challenge! Perhaps someday i can play the whole thing, but for now the challenge is keeping the hi-hat steady on every quarter note when the right foot and hands are going beserk hehe
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 10-13-2017, 03:20 PM
TripleStroke's Avatar
TripleStroke TripleStroke is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Markham, ON
Posts: 217
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Superferrite View Post
Alright, you have a point. I was thinking broadly of the catalog and Cosmo is a fave of mine for straight ahead rock because of that nuance.

May I then humbly suggest ELO? The Greatest Hits are pretty recognizable even today, and Bevan keeps it pretty simple but has a good assortment of beats.
He was double tracking them, after all.
I will check them out!! Thanks
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 10-13-2017, 03:49 PM
DrumWild DrumWild is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 387
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

Quote:
Originally Posted by JustJames View Post
If "all" that you can do is keep time, you will be welcomed with open arms.
This reminds me of another "easy" song that can be hard to play.

"Open Arms" by Journey.

Slow with open space.
__________________
I don't really feel like I belong here, so please feel free to delete my account.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 10-13-2017, 10:22 PM
New Tricks New Tricks is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: AZ
Posts: 1,925
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

Quote:
Originally Posted by iCe View Post
I still remember that i nailed 'You Got To Fight For Your Right (To Party)' by Beasty Boys for the first time.

I played that wrong for a year :)

Then I made an A-B comparison CD of all the covers we do, original VS ours, and listened to it while driving. Whoops :). And, it wasn't the only thing I was playing wrong.

No one ever said anything and no one probably would ever know or care but I figure, what the hell, I might as well do it right.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 10-14-2017, 10:00 PM
ermghoti ermghoti is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 686
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

My drum teacher believed Boulevard of Broken Dreams was the easiest mainstream song of recent years for a new drummer. It still has a couple of wrinkles to throw a total newbie though.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 10-14-2017, 11:00 PM
JustJames's Avatar
JustJames JustJames is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Sydney Australia
Posts: 2,913
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

Jealous Guy by Bryan Ferry is another straightforward one. Money beat the whole way through, but there is a single 2 beat bar and a few cymbal crashes.

Another Brick in the Wall is money beat the whole way, with high hat barks and some cymbal crashes.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 10-15-2017, 01:13 AM
New Tricks New Tricks is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: AZ
Posts: 1,925
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

After growing up in that era and hearing Pink Floyd's "Money" a thousand times on the radio, I started playing along with it one day and immediately got confused. Then I remembered reading that parts of the songe were 7/8.

I didn't really know what that meant but, when I started counting to 7, it became very clear and simple. I felt stupid for never realizing this.

My guitar and bass player didn't seem to get it and we never played the song, but I was happy to have learned a little something simple.
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 10-16-2017, 12:16 PM
Mark_S's Avatar
Mark_S Mark_S is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Leicester, England, U.K.
Posts: 744
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

One of the problems with drums is: it sounds easy, and everybody thinks there's not much to it.. I've even had other musicians make jokes about it around me. "You just hit things don't you?". "You just need to go boom thwap".

So then it becomes frustrating when you think you should be able to do it just like the record after a short amount of time..

The song you mention reminds me of a song by Free, "Alright Now". That's another good one to learn for groove feel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siMFORx8uO8

At 2 minutes in, there is a good exercise in dynamics on the snare drum..

Great song to play live! Everyone gets into it.
__________________
Sonor, Premier, Paiste, Sabian, Zildjian, Yamaha, Vic Firth, Shure
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 10-16-2017, 01:24 PM
Mozart1220 Mozart1220 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 100
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

Quote:
Originally Posted by New Tricks View Post
After growing up in that era and hearing Pink Floyd's "Money" a thousand times on the radio, I started playing along with it one day and immediately got confused. Then I remembered reading that parts of the songe were 7/8.

I didn't really know what that meant but, when I started counting to 7, it became very clear and simple. I felt stupid for never realizing this.

My guitar and bass player didn't seem to get it and we never played the song, but I was happy to have learned a little something simple.
"money" on bass for me was always easy because I don't count, I just know the song. ( I also sing while playing it) 7/8 for the verses and Gilmour put the 4/4 in for the guitar solo so HE wouldn't have to count.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 10-16-2017, 03:30 PM
crispycritters crispycritters is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 372
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

I recommend the OP buys a book/CD or book download of sheet music and tracks with and without drums.


I bought and AC/DC one as a newb - Play Drums With (Series) - The Best of AC/DC and had great fun working my way through it. I found that although several of the songs were relatively simple to play there was something (or several things) that completely threw me off kilter - being able to read and listen made things much easier, just listening to the songs and trying to play along didn't cut it for me - there was always something that had me bamboozled.

Buying that book as a newbie was probably the best £15 I've spent.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 10-18-2017, 02:10 AM
aaronmcd aaronmcd is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 67
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

Quote:
Originally Posted by tjohnson View Post
I highly recommend diving into sheet music or learning by ear to set yourself up to play along to songs as part of your regular routine.

It's been a slow process for me to build up my internal library of recognizable patterns to make it easier to learn new songs. I feel it's paid off for me approaching learning both from sheet music and 'transcribing' (I use this word but that doesn't mean I'm always writing it down, I'm talking about learning parts by ear and committing to memory here as well, but often I do write it down for posterity).
I am starting with sheet music because it's about 6000 times easier to read a page than try and pick out all the drum parts (currently there is literally zero percent chance i could pick out the drums and get it anywhere near correct :lol:). That will hopefully get easier just by playing more and getting accustomed to the sounds and patterns by ear. But I am a little worried I could end up using sheet music as a crutch forever.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tjohnson View Post
My advice is start putting time into playing to songs early. Your failures can guide your instructor in providing guidance if you communicate it. You'll also be able to change the way you practice to cover your current shortcomings when playing with music. I use songs I'm interested in learning to push me to greater tempos with current techniques and learn new techniques and patterns. I find that motivates me more than being able to hit a particular rudiment or pattern at a particular tempo solely for the sake of general prociency.
I could probably practice rudiments a lot without getting bored, but it's pointless to be able to hit a pad or snare well without the coordination on the kit to put it to use. I get what you are saying about finding weak spots - for me it's just finding things to practice in general since everything is a weak spot at this stage of the game. Right now it seems like moving the right hand back and forth between crash and hi hat and still follow along on the kick. It's something to work on other than snare and kick combinations.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
There are apps that you can load your music on to, which allow you to change the tempo. You can then play along to a real song at a speed that is comfortable and achievable for you. You can also loop part of the song - that nasty tricky bit! - so that you can practise it over and over again, nice and slowly, until you've nailed it and then incorporate it seamlessly into the rest of the piece.

Having your caek and eating it is always good.
What's a good app for that? The looping could be useful. Right now I'm just looping without the track, then trying with the track and if it doesn't go well I gotta fiddle with my phone and back it up. The only problem is then I will need to find a download of tracks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JustJames View Post
Paying songs is what it's all about.

Carry on with playing songs, but remember, all of those guys playing easy songs are professionals, and ironically, one of the toughest things to do is to play something straightforward and give it authority and groove.

Others to try...

Billie Jean
Honky Tonk Women
Wicked Game
Pretty Woman
I just heard Billie Jean in the coffee shop this morning and was thinking it sounded pretty simple.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Infamous Beater View Post
Hey Aaron,

I think AC/DC is among the hardest things to play as a beginner. I recommend the White Stripes as a great starting point, partly because the arrangements are so spare, there's no doubt what's being played on drums.

I also recommend drumless tracks. You can find some free ones on Youtube. What I do in my practice time and for fun is to load up an iPod playlist with a favorite song followed by the drumless version. When I'm trying to learn, I often play along with record, play the main parts on my own, then marry what I'm playing to the drumless track.

Here's a good source of drumless versions: http://www.karaoke-version.com/drums...ight-long.html
Are those recordings good quality/true to original?

Yeah, I will try some White Stripes. That's one that I see recommended for beginners all over the web.

-----

Practiced the song again and can kinda get through the first half but it's like spazzing through, not grooving through. And I can now at least pick it up next measure if I mess something up. All those random crashes during the guitar part are a bit hard, but it just seems like a drill that'll be easy after a few more sessions and then carry over to a million other songs. :)
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 10-18-2017, 09:07 AM
Magenta's Avatar
Magenta Magenta is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Gwlad Cymru
Posts: 3,195
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronmcd View Post
That will hopefully get easier just by playing more and getting accustomed to the sounds and patterns by ear. But I am a little worried I could end up using sheet music as a crutch forever.
Yes, it will definitely get easier and no, you won't use sheet music forever. There will come a point where reading music becomes less easy than using your ear :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronmcd View Post
What's a good app for that? The looping could be useful. Right now I'm just looping without the track, then trying with the track and if it doesn't go well I gotta fiddle with my phone and back it up. The only problem is then I will need to find a download of tracks.
I use Music Speed Changer on Android (if ever the clue was in the name!), or Anytune Pro on Apple.
__________________
Thinly veiled angel

Ladies & gentlemen, I've suffered for my art. Now it's your turn (Neil Innes)
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 10-18-2017, 06:25 PM
aaronmcd aaronmcd is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 67
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrfingers View Post
Yes, sure, play to songs but...use them as metronomes(ignore fills and any "tricky" parts). Once you learn the basic beats, to slow and medium tempo songs, increase to a faster tempo song and an even slower tempo song, still ignoring the fills. Now add the rudiments just on the snare using the songs as tempo guides to see how they might fit in. Soon you'll see how a fill works: which hand should you start with, which to end with, where's the "1" or the "2", etc...
This is where the real drum kit learning starts.
Sounds good... for fills when I graduate to fills. The song I'm trying doesn't even have fills so for now it's just getting used to moving my right hand back and forth without forgetting the bass drum.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ermghoti View Post
My drum teacher believed Boulevard of Broken Dreams was the easiest mainstream song of recent years for a new drummer. It still has a couple of wrinkles to throw a total newbie though.
I downloaded sheet music for that and it's definitely a level up from AC/DC.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
I use Music Speed Changer on Android
Thanks, looks like a good app! That might even make it easier to pick out drum parts.

---

On playing with tracks, I have a question. I am currently practicing on a pad at home and a kit at a local rehearsal studio a couple times a week. I can use my headphones with my phone and spotify on the acoustic kit. I wan't to get an e kit for the apartment. Wondering how I would listen to a track and the e kit at the same time? I only have one set of ears and I can't plug headphones into my phone at the same time. Is it possible to use the e kit at a line out from a phone so I can listen at the same time? Sorry for the newb question, I have never touched an electronic kit before.
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 10-18-2017, 06:46 PM
Magenta's Avatar
Magenta Magenta is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Gwlad Cymru
Posts: 3,195
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronmcd View Post
Sounds good... for fills when I graduate to fills.
You're doing it right! Fills are the icing on the caek, NOT the caek itself, but they do make the caek look and taste better.
__________________
Thinly veiled angel

Ladies & gentlemen, I've suffered for my art. Now it's your turn (Neil Innes)
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 11-29-2017, 04:22 AM
aaronmcd aaronmcd is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 67
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

Hey so i went to Thailand for 2 weeks, came back on the 13th, then made it through the whole song on the 23rd on my pad and pillow setup! Just bought an e kit and it's really fun to play along on that!

I think working through that song (You Shook me All Night Long) helped a ton, cause I made it through Take It Easy (Eagles) after a couple days (I get a bit tired going that fast but I'm sure the stamina will come), and just this morning I almost got through Down On The Corner (CCR) in 45 minutes. That last one is a much slower tempo than the other 2 songs, and the fills are pretty simple but they are all a bit different which makes it hard to get them right. I'll probably just work on these 3 for a while till they feel comfortable.
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 11-29-2017, 06:23 AM
Big Stu Big Stu is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 41
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

It might be more difficult just picking simple songs and then "de-code" the drumming part and then try and play with the drumming.
The Vic Firth site has hundred of play-alongs, with drums, without drums and the transcription, and video. Sure they are trying to sell you a book/DVD but there is enough there to get you started without buying anything... it's free!!!!
There's other sites? with the same.
Have a look, have a listen these might work for you
http://vicfirth.com/drumset-playalong-tracks/
Some are specifically for the beginner (some others are much more advanced.. you could spend a few years working through them all)
Beginner ones
http://vicfirth.com/fresh-approach-drumset-12/

http://vicfirth.com/play-along-tracks-houghton-america/
(and you can say you had lessons from a famous drummer)
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 11-29-2017, 06:57 AM
aaronmcd aaronmcd is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 67
Default Re: Beginner - easy songs are freaking hard!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Stu View Post
It might be more difficult just picking simple songs and then "de-code" the drumming part and then try and play with the drumming.
The Vic Firth site has hundred of play-alongs, with drums, without drums and the transcription, and video. Sure they are trying to sell you a book/DVD but there is enough there to get you started without buying anything... it's free!!!!
There's other sites? with the same.
Have a look, have a listen these might work for you
http://vicfirth.com/drumset-playalong-tracks/
Some are specifically for the beginner (some others are much more advanced.. you could spend a few years working through them all)
Beginner ones
http://vicfirth.com/fresh-approach-drumset-12/

http://vicfirth.com/play-along-tracks-houghton-america/
(and you can say you had lessons from a famous drummer)
Thanks for the links!

I'm not yet at the level where I can decode the drumming by ear, other than the basic beat and crashes. But its getting easier. I just download the sheet music from drumninja or other free site. I listen through and follow along on the sheet mentally to see if I hear everything or if anything sounds different from the transcription.
Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2017, 03:25 AM
bonerpizza
This message has been deleted by bonerpizza. Reason: not sure what this is or what happened! was supposed to be a forum reply.
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are Off
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off




All times are GMT +2. The time now is 09:43 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Bernhard Castiglioni's DRUMMERWORLD.com