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Old 05-17-2018, 08:52 AM
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Default 24x14 vs 22x16 - Can't Decide!

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I have been saving up to get my first acoustic kit for awhile now (played a roland ekit for years), and I'm torn between two bass sizes - 24x14 and 22x16. I'm looking at the Ludwig Classic Maple.

I'll be playing in a small 13'x13' room, and I'm worried the 24x14 will be too boomy. Also, while I mostly enjoying playing heavy music (electric wizard, elder, isis, neurosis, russian circle), I don't want to lose some of the flexibility to play other genres of music.

It seems like the 22 has that flexibility, but it also seems harder to make a big drum sound smaller than the other way around. That's also why I'm looking at the 16" depth for the 22, as I'm hoping it will give me a little more oomph.

I've been watching youtube videos on both of these drums, but tuning and heads make such a difference that I have a hard time getting an answer that I feel really settled with. Perhaps that is a clue that the size is less important than I'm making it out to be, but I've been saving so long that this choice has been a bit paralyzing.

I'll probably end up getting both, but they are pricey so I'll be with my first choice for awhile. Would love some help or insight if any of you have made a similar decision, or have both of these and would recommend one based on my situation.

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Old 05-17-2018, 09:02 AM
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Soundwise....... It's not going to make a lot of difference. The extra 2" buys you about two steps chromatically, but it's down so low it's not something you use outside of expositions. Control-ring heads like the PS/EQ and variable control batters like the EMAD will give either the note-duration you desire.

Where I do foresee a difference is feel. My 24" has a noticeably lower transfer of energy back into the pedal than the 22" I owned. Not a problem for fast doubles on a single pedal, but I'd wait for an actual double-pedal metal player to comment regarding this before taking my word for it. The closest I get to metal is Hum and Form of Rocket.
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Old 05-17-2018, 09:40 AM
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Default Re: 24x14 vs 22x16 - Can't Decide!

I have both a 22 and a 24. Hard to go wrong with either but I like my 24 much better.
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Old 05-17-2018, 09:46 AM
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What he said...........! or split the difference and go 24" by 16"...
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Old 05-17-2018, 01:11 PM
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Follow your heart's desire.

The BD size will matter only to you and you alone. Everyone else is distracted worrying about their own stuff, not yours.

Do you get concerned over the string gauge the guitar player uses?

He doesn't care about your bass drum size either.

So use what trips your trap.

22 x 16 = 352

24 x 14 = 336

I'm pretty sure pi is in that equation somewhere, but this is only to quickly illustrate the relative volume difference between those 2 drums. 16. Not that much. Interesting that the 22 has more volume. Funny how numbers work.

Your toms will sit lower with a 22.

Flip a coin if you can't decide.
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Old 05-17-2018, 02:55 PM
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Default Re: 24x14 vs 22x16 - Can't Decide!

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I have both a 22 and a 24. Hard to go wrong with either but I like my 24 much better.
Same here. I have a 22 X 16 and a 24 X 16. But I play my 24 almost all the time.

You're living in the Golden Age of head selection so you can get your exact sound you're after so long as you're willing to experiment.

Good news is both will do the job.

Other than tom placement the other question of practicality is do you have a vehicle that can transport a 24" bass drum?

Human nature being what it is you'll likely try to second guess your choice even after the purchase. Larry makes an excellent point: go with your heart.
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Old 05-17-2018, 02:58 PM
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Default Re: 24x14 vs 22x16 - Can't Decide!

Ah , interesting Topic..

Not to be overcorrect, but in terms of volume of the 24" Kick has got a slightly bigger volume... ;)


Pi* Radius^2 * depth= volume

3,14*(24/2)^2*14= 6333 (24")
3,14*(22/2)^2*16= 6082 (22")

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Old 05-17-2018, 02:58 PM
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You can tune a 22 to sound like a 20 or a 24 in my opinion, you can not tune a 24 to sound like a 20 very easy.

You said you are playing smaller rooms as well. If you are using mics, have some dampening, and can tune a drum you can use any.

Heck, my 20 inch kick sounds huge with a mic. I'll tell you this as someone who gigs, I LOVE my 20 and my back does too.. having a 24 to lug around would be a pain, also I'd need a new gig bag / case for it. And I feel I'd be reaching for my toms.


I prefer a punchy kick though, not boomy. so my ported 20 is perfect. I think the difference between a 20 and 22 seems much bigger than a 22 and 24.
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I like the 22 as it gives you more flexibility in tom mounting.

You can go lower with a 22 ,you can't with a 24.
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Where are you playing, what are you playing? Can you reach the toms mounted over a 24 inch kick? Ideal would be 22 x 14 but is it available.? Lots of decisions. I would not want to haul a 24 or try to fit it on most stages.
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I wish I had a 20 instead of a 22.
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Old 05-17-2018, 05:19 PM
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Iíve played mostly all the sizes available and 22Ē is definitely a size that can do it all. My Ludwig classic maple 14x22 is a great all-around Drum. Easy to transport and as far as head selection at any given shop, itíll have the mostavailable For it. So from a practical standpoint, go with the 22Ē.

Thereís something I love about large bass drums though. Iíve had Ludwigs in 24, 26, and now 28! And it just gets better as you go bigger in my opinion - the one thing I like is not having to work so hard when I really need to kick the band. But it does get more expensive and Head selection is not so great at shops.
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Old 05-17-2018, 07:41 PM
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Default Re: 24x14 vs 22x16 - Can't Decide!

Hey thanks everyone - super great replies.

I can actually still get the 22x14, but because I was torn between the 22" and the 24", I figure the 22x16 will give me that middle ground between the 22x14 and 24x14. Unless I'm thinking about that wrong?

GruntersDad - I'm playing in a small 13x13 room, against a flat wall. I actually built the room myself to make it extremely insulated and sound proof. I'm going to work on acoustic treatment inside of the room as well.

I definitely want to play with other people, I just don't want a big kick to completely blast them away in a small room. But as I mentioned, I do like loud music, so maybe blasting people away is a good thing :P

Maybe I should just settle on getting both -- start out with a 22" and then get the 24" as the 22 sounds a bit more flexiable, but I think I might like the 24" more. But now the question is 22x14 or 22x16. It never ends!! haha
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Old 05-17-2018, 07:59 PM
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Default Re: 24x14 vs 22x16 - Can't Decide!

Never really got on well with 22" drums, so I'd say 24x14. However, if you're going for two drums, why not get a 24" and a 20"? Much more versatile combo, IMO. Good luck! :)
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Old 05-17-2018, 08:02 PM
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Ludwigs 20Ē kicks are fantastic, btw. Iíve got a set of Club Dates and the kick is super punchy. Itís got a decent amount of boom too.
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Old 05-17-2018, 08:29 PM
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Never really got on well with 22" drums, so I'd say 24x14. However, if you're going for two drums, why not get a 24" and a 20"? Much more versatile combo, IMO. Good luck! :)
It funny you say that about 22" bd's. I think Ive come to the realization that if i play a 22" I prefer it max depth of 16"....I think I too have come to not love 18"x22". Especially after spending time with 14"x 24", 16"x 26". 14"x 24" being my favorite choice.
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I definitely want to play with other people, I just don't want a big kick to completely blast them away in a small room. But as I mentioned, I do like loud music, so maybe blasting people away is a good thing :P
First I started using big hi-hats (17") a few years ago and I haven't changed since. Now I'm going to unleash the 16x28, and I have this feeling I've found my spirit animal. Big is good. Remember the early set drummers all used 28's back in the day.
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Old 05-17-2018, 11:20 PM
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Whatever you get just make sure it has two plys of bubinga, one of walnut, two of maple and silver sealer on the inside.
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Old 05-18-2018, 12:30 AM
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But now the question is 22x14 or 22x16. It never ends!! haha
16" depth will allow you to install the tom holder further away from the batter side, if you decide to mount off the bass drum. Otherwise, I think the 14" depth is punchier in general. 15" would be nice to split the difference.
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Old 05-18-2018, 12:51 AM
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Where are you playing, what are you playing? Can you reach the toms mounted over a 24 inch kick? Ideal would be 22 x 14 but is it available.? Lots of decisions. I would not want to haul a 24 or try to fit it on most stages.
You're saving an extra 2" of depth with a 24x14,no? I prefer the 24 with a shallower depth on a small stage.
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Old 05-18-2018, 12:59 AM
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22's are great for all around gigs. I love the 24 for it's look and boom, but hate lugging it around.
I also found recording with it is problematic at best as sound engineers struggled with controlling the boom. I have a 20" one and that was perfect for the studio.

I don't use a rack tom mount, so the rack tom on a snare stand was a perfect look and placement.
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I float between 14" and 16" depths. And actually, in a band situation, or even if you're mic'ed, the difference between 14 and 16 is negligible. I always say if you're on a small stage, 14" depth is best because then you're not taking up a lot of space. The front-to-back space is wasted when you have a deep bass drum, and in some venues (like some that I play in, anything longer than 16" makes me take up too much room. I also don't like how I would now be a little further away from the band. So I now avoid bass drums deeper than 16" (I had a few 18" ones that I didn't keep).

The width of the kit is ok, which is why I don't qualify anything under 20" an actual bass drum. You gotta have girth. Nothing wrong with just using a 14x22 for everything. Although a 14x24 would cross over well in quiet situations as well as super-loud situations.
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My favorite bass drum size is 22x16, but what I have is two sets with 22x18. Peace and goodwill.
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How does the extra two inches affect the tone?
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How does the extra two inches affect the tone?
On bass drums that are usually ported with some muffling - no affect at all.
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Like others, I have played all kinds of sized kicks, and I have a soft spot for 22x16 but more if I had drum techs or for home studio. For all my gigs nowadays I have bought into the 14" depth koolaid.. all my kicks are that depth now. I own or have owned

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The best all-around is the 20x14, especially if you get a thicker-shelled kick or a custom designed like a DW X or VLX. My Ludwig Classic Maple 20x14 is a wonderful beast. Good luck on your journey!
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The best all-around is the 20x14
That's true. Not much you can't do with that size.
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I'm playing in a small 13x13 room, against a flat wall.

I definitely want to play with other people, I just don't want a big kick to completely blast them away in a small room. But as I mentioned, I do like loud music, so maybe blasting people away is a good thing :P
13x13 ... I had a similar sized room. I'd go with the 24. It's gonna produce a lower frequency. Especially if your guitar and bass players stand, and play loud. Even sitting, their ears are above the throw of a 22, and I know my guys liked the 24 way better than the 20 and 22. Now, I'm back to playing a 26. Even better.
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If you think you want a 24 you should get one. 22 is the standard and I'd say most versatile, but even though it will do everything you want you may feel like you settled.
I've been using a 24x16 almost exclusively for years, though I still have a 22 and even had a 20 for a little while. I wouldn't say it's louder than a smaller drum, because so much of that depends on how much muffling you use and how hard you kick it.
And let's face it, if you're playing rock, the bigger drum looks cooler.
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And it just gets better as you go bigger in my opinion - the one thing I like is not having to work so hard when I really need to kick the band. But it does get more expensive and Head selection is not so great at shops.
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It sounds like a snare drum recorded and then slowed down.

I'll pass. But the roll sounded like rain to me. Good for foley work.
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That's a hook and loop cable tie moving from the air coming out of the porthole.
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