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Old 06-28-2013, 10:11 PM
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I'm trying to focus on really learning my drum rudiments currently, and rather then requesting tips on technique or what-have-you, I'm looking for some ideas on how to practice rudiments in a way that promotes their musical significance. Any ideas? Not just for drilling them into my head, but for really digging deep into the rudiment itself and exploring it, and being able to use it effortlessly.
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Old 06-28-2013, 10:16 PM
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The first example I could think of is "Peggy Sue"............parradiddles through the whole song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku5UeUT7yIQ
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Is this what you are looking for?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVUBXkE-xL4
Great video! Sergio is a wealth of knowledge.

Here's a videos from another Berklee faculty member, Ralph Peterson.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e19-qmLXA7o

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What's good?
I'm trying to focus on really learning my drum rudiments currently, and rather then requesting tips on technique or what-have-you, I'm looking for some ideas on how to practice rudiments in a way that promotes their musical significance. Any ideas? Not just for drilling them into my head, but for really digging deep into the rudiment itself and exploring it, and being able to use it effortlessly.
Split the hands between sound sources; e.g., right hand on snare, left hand on hi-hat or visa-versa. Use snare/toms, toms/cymbals or whatever permutation you want. Keep your left hand on sound-source while moving the right hand and visa-versa. The possibilities are endless. Once you grasp the rudiment all over the kit with your hands, split the hands and feet, etc, etc...

One great example of a cool rudiment groove is Bill Bruford's part on "Heart of the Sunrise" by Yes. He's playing a paradiddle-diddle split between the hi-hat and snare and uses accents to make the groove interesting. Also, if you split a paradiddle-diddle between the hats or ride and the snare, you'll get the "jazz ride pattern" in a very even, precise way. That's also a cool way to practice jazz patterns.
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I'm trying to focus on really learning my drum rudiments currently, and rather then requesting tips on technique or what-have-you, I'm looking for some ideas on how to practice rudiments in a way that promotes their musical significance. Any ideas? Not just for drilling them into my head, but for really digging deep into the rudiment itself and exploring it, and being able to use it effortlessly.
A drummer's drumset playing will only be as good as his or her abilities on the snare drum... Drummers use rudiments all of the time on the snare, and a great way to learn rudiments is playing written snare drum solos.

I use Wilcoxon and Pratt books all of the time. I started using them on the pad because they were a fun break from playing drills all day long, but I started to realize the benefits of these solos when I moved them onto the snare drum:
1. Learning how to apply rudiments in a musical context
2. Working on technique (touch, tone...)
3 Improving reading

Set the snare drum up away from your kit and try some written solos. When you find a one that you like, start at a slow tempo, memorize it and really get it down. Then you can slowly move up the tempo. Sometimes I do the opposite, and slow the tempo down - this helps you work on control, and allows you to hone in one you hand's mechanics, to make sure you're playing with good clean technique. Always record yourself and make sure they groove!
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A lot of great advice here! I would also add that as you play, be conscious of practicing at different volume levels, as well as speeds. Your control will really take off when you can play a piece at regular speed but play at ppp or pp. One of the most challenging pieces ever written for snare drum is Ravels Bolero. It is a mind boggelingly simple 4 bars, but repeated over and over for about 15 minutes, starting from barely audible to "let her rip!" One long, measured, steady, unwavering crescendo that demands perfect stick control.

Drumming is all about stick control! If you don't have it, buy a copy of stick control by George L. Stone.
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Check out Todd Sucherman's Methods And Mechanics if you don't know it!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVUBXkE-xL4

+1 for Sergio, He's is my private teacher. Pay attention to what he has to offer from all of Sergio's VicFirth vids to youtube vids. Playing the rudiments on the pad and/or kit straight out of the box versus altering the melody is unbelievable stuff.
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Ultimately rudiments all lead to musicality as they build abilities and more capable hands. Capable hands allow you to play way more things with way more natural and musical flow.

Nevermind the rudiments themselves, it's what they develop in each hand. If the point of rudiments was to orchestrate them around the kit I'd probably blow it off as that seems like a lot of work for relatively little return. (Though technically every time you hit a drum you're playing a rudiment.)
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What's good?
I'm trying to focus on really learning my drum rudiments currently, and rather then requesting tips on technique or what-have-you, I'm looking for some ideas on how to practice rudiments in a way that promotes their musical significance. Any ideas? Not just for drilling them into my head, but for really digging deep into the rudiment itself and exploring it, and being able to use it effortlessly.
I have to admit, I've often been perplexed by the "learn some rudiments, then make music with them" method. Don't get me wrong, I get the value of rudiments for entraining particular movement patterns, etc. But the applicability of many of them to the vocabulary of modern drum set playing is not always immediately apparent. Of course, in other cases they ARE the vocabulary of modern drumset playing - e.g. where would we be without Steve Gadd's paradiddles and ratamacues? And many, many, many great players and teachers have utilised this method. It can work.

A fellow named Jim Blackley came up with a different solution a long while back. Jim surmised that in order to play the drum set well, it wasn't "rudiments" per se that one needed but a system for teaching rhythm that would incorporate various rudiments along the way. Rhythm (music) first. Then the technique to execute the rhythm.

The result was Syncopated Rolls for the Modern Drummer. http://jimblackley.com/?cat=7

The method is to start with a rhythm, say 4 quarter notes. Then, that rhythm becomes a series of accents in various subdivisions. The subdivisions and accents are then executed using various stickings (singles, doubles, paradiddles, flams, etc.) Effectively, your hand technique is developing as part of your rhythmic development.

Another good book for this sort of thing is Dave Stanoch's Mastering The Tables of Time. There, he takes various stickings and hand/foot combinations through common subdivisions. The musical inspiration tends to take care of itself as you go through it, in my experience.
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Old 07-07-2013, 07:47 PM
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I agree with your post for the most part, Boomka. But I'll also throw in that pure rudimental playing, specifically the rudimental breakdown, is an art form in and of itself. It's a discipline that develops balance, purity of stick sound, volume control and dynamics while shifting speed. It's the challenge and reward of playing a pattern in its traditional form. And while this approach isn't a direct method for working your sticks within a melodic framework, it can be a powerful supplement.
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Old 07-07-2013, 09:40 PM
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I am always inspired when I listen to Frank Arsenault play the rudiments, then put them together in traditional and classic drum solos. To me it is pure drumming in its simplicity . . . one person and one drum. It is an art form in itself, the original rudimental drumming!
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I recently posted an article and video on this exact topic! The article is titled "How to Maximize Your Rudimental Potential" and I give 15 applications of a single rudiment, with video examples of each one. The example rudiment is the Swiss Army Triplet, and I play each example very slowly as to give clear examples.

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https://studiodrummontreal.com/blogs...ntal-potential
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There's a great new post on swiss triplets. You can do this with any rudiment and it's really still just the tip of the iceberg.

Really, the potential is endless. Play the rudiment, choose a framework to incorporate it in and just do a little twist, when you can do that and another twist, soon you have ideas for days.

Definetly check out the Wilcoxon and Pratt material. They're stringing rudiments together into etudes that are very different from just playing static rudiments. Making those flow requires way more focus. Move those to the kit and have fun. Take bars you like and see how much you can get out of them.
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Change dynamics and accenting. You'll have enough for a while ;P lol

Seriously, it makes a huge difference!
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One method I do is this......

I pick a simple, relatively slowish drumless backing track in straight 4/4.

Then I choose one rudiment and use that one rudiment only for the groove and fills.

As you become comfortable with it, I add in accents, voice substitution and voice displacement incorporating the whole kit.....but I never waiver from the original rudiment, it kinda keeps you focused doing that.

It really does make you resourceful to make the most out of one rudiment.

Then you can swing the same rudiment with different genres of backing tracks, play it faster, slower, with brushes......so on and so forth.
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Any tips for getting young students to engage with this type of stuff?
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Thank you, contributors, for sharing your vision. I am new doing part-time jobs to buy a new drum set.

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Any tips for getting young students to engage with this type of stuff?
Here's a couple of suggestions from a perennial beginner.

Teach the roll rudiments using buzzed rolls so students can hear them and play them at tempos where they might actually be useful, right from the get-go. Then teach the open roll interpretations as a separate exercise, with the goal of eventually cleaning up the buzzed rolls. It's discouraging to spend hours tapping out long roll rudiments in slow motion.

Another idea would be to find pieces where flams, drags, and paradiddles sound musical when played at slow tempos, so students can hear practical applications they might actually be able to play, as opposed to listening to virtuoso's peeling off rudiments at speeds few people in the world can match.
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One thing at a time in context.
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One thing at a time in context.
I think that's it. I imagine that if you could provide a musical context for a rudiment - at a tempo a student can play - a student might be more receptive.

A lot of advice about rudiments reminds me of an old Steve Martin joke. "How to make a million dollars and never pay taxes. First, get a million dollars. Then..."

How to apply rudiments to the drum kit. First, become a master of rudiments. Then...
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Sort of the opposite, really.

Things vary a lot depending on where I teach. So far I basically go to a school where things don't work so well and leave when they're fixed.

Most kids I meet don't know about rudiments or even practice pads.

When they start trusting me I start using social motivation. I do a few longer lessons with everyone, or those on similar level, on just pads.

I introduce the basic version of Igoe's LTWU as well as Bil's versions of Purple Singles and Irish Spring. I do this once in a while to keep them going and try to do some basic drum corp stuff.

After that it's individual. Some get the first page of SC, I also use a bit of exercises like you see for free on Emanuelle Caplette's site.

There are the basic things I've decided work in my current situation.

For me it's really just been about creatiunga social environment where working on these things is natural.

Working on other stuff will be for each individual student's technical routine or incorporating it into a fill concept. We can spend a long time on one thing and though I have a basic methodology I like to base things on these things are on a student by student basis.
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For me it's really just been about creatiung a social environment where working on these things is natural.
I used to live with a grade school teacher. Her philosophy was "You can't teach anybody anything. All you can do is create a learning environment."

That statement was an exaggeration, of course, but it described an approach that she had a lot of success with.
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