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Old 09-08-2010, 12:58 PM
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Default problemi di improvvisazione???????

Io consiglio di seguire (se c'è nella tua città) un corso di musica d'insieme, fare tutti i workshop e seminari jazz a cui hai la possibilità di andare e andare alle jam session.
Fondamentale anche analizzare la musica che ascolti, capire perchè e quando si usano certe dinamiche o si suona in un certo modo, capire l'interplaying tra i vari strumenti...
Come metodi i due di john riley hanno dei buoni spunti, e sono spiegate un po' le "regole" come il coasting ecc... ma sono assolutamente insufficienti per avere una preparazione completa.
Io personalmente ti consiglio di iniziare lo studio gli standards con lo spartito del real book davanti, e di ascoltarti una versione classica del brano (magari del compositore) cercando di seguire il tema sullo spartito mentre viene suonato e di continuare a seguirlo e cantartelo in testa anche durante i soli, visto che quando ti troverai a suonare in gruppo uno standard dovrai avere sempre il tema in testa (a meno che non ci si metta d'accordo su strutture particolari).
Come secondo esercizio "per prendere confidenza" sempre con lo spartito del real book davanti (ma senza musica) prova a cantarti in testa il tema e accompagnalo con il piatto evidenziando con qualche piccolo accendo di rullo o cassa le note che "spiccano" (e potresti mettere anche qualche semplice fill o comping su note lunghe o pause). Lo scopo dovrebbe essere che un musicista che ascolta solo la batteria dovrebbe intuire di che pezzo si tratta.
Poi ci sarebbero parecchi altri vari accorgimenti e "regole" che vanno imparate prima di essere infrante o dare libero sfogo alla fantasia (cambio di stile di accompagnamento tra i vari A e B... o uso delle dinamiche appropriato), a scrivere tutto essendo chiari e sintetici verrebbe fuori un libro però Very Happy
Ripeto, se hai la possibilità di seguire un corso di musica d'insieme queste cose le impari alla perfezione Wink


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Old 09-08-2010, 08:09 PM
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If only your post was in English.. Who knows, it might actually be interesting what you're saying, since it is definetely drum-related.
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:25 PM
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Maybe you should ask Gavin Harrison, he worked in Italy right?
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Old 09-09-2010, 03:59 AM
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I don't speak Italian but it looks like he has some opportunity with jazz but is having a problem with improvisation. Anybody here speak Italian that could help.
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I also have a problem whenever I play Joe's solo. I can never get my bass drum to push away from me at the right time either!
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Old 09-09-2010, 04:12 AM
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Bob - I know you speak Italian, can you translate please?
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Translation, The best that I can do with my limited Italian skills

Problem with Improv????


I recommend you follow (if any in your area) a course of ensemble music, do all the workshops and seminars jazz you can go, and go to jam sessions.
Also crucial to analyze the music you listen to, understand why and when using certain dynamic or you play in a certain way, understanding the interplaying between the different instruments ...
As the two methods of John Riley have some good ideas, and explaining a bit '"rules" as the Coasting etc. ... but are quite inadequate for a complete preparation.
I personally advise you to start learning standards with the score before the real book, and hear a classical version of the song (perhaps the composer's) trying to follow the score while the theme is played and continue to follow him and sing in head even when the only fact that when you find yourself playing in a group you will always have a standard theme in the lead (unless we agree on particular structures).
As a second year "to get a feel" more real with the score of the book before (but without music) tries to sing the theme in mind and Accompany the dish with a little turn on the highlight reel or box notes that "stand out" (and you could also make some simple fill or comping on long notes or rests). The aim should be that a musician who hears only the battery would guess that part of it.
Then there would be several other various devices and "rules" that must be learned before being broken or give free rein to the imagination (change of style of accompaniment between A and B. .. or use of dynamics is appropriate), to write everything being clear out a book and synthetic but would be Very Happy
Again, if you have the opportunity to follow a course of music with these things you learn to perfection ;)
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