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Old 08-04-2012, 09:14 PM
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I was recently told about a new reality tv show that is in the planning stages. It's called "America's Next Top Drummer" and the host is Gerald Heyward. The full press release and information about how to register for the auditions can be found here:

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Old 08-05-2012, 02:43 AM
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If they overplay the way Idol singers oversing it's going to be an endless shredfest.
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Old 08-05-2012, 06:38 PM
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to bad...

Last thing we need is another illusory "Art as Competition" show.

Highlighting great unknown drumming(musical) talent would be a great show...but as a competition?

blech...more "either/or" thinking...where we are needing more "and" thinking.

Need more great shows like Austin City Limits and...hmm...what other non-lip synching music performace shows are there?...Sound Stage?...but these shows highlight well to moderatly well known acts...need a traveling live performance airing show that displays local talent from many different places.
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If they overplay the way Idol singers oversing it's going to be an endless shredfest.
On the typical "singing" contest, the audition can be a truly funny thing to watch, you wonder how some "singer" thought they could enter such contest.... if it's the same with some "amateur" drummers, we'll be in for a great laugh (or crying, depending how you look at it)

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Last thing we need is another illusory "Art as Competition" show.

Highlighting great unknown drumming(musical) talent would be a great show...but as a competition?
I kind of agree with you, whichever drummers who passed the audition will be substentially good, the rest is so subjective to taste, but as a bonus, these drummers will probably have a very good experience from such a contest and have the chance to be broadcasted to a very wide audience, it might open doors for some of them.
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Old 08-05-2012, 07:12 PM
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Gotta love anything that helps bring light to talented artists...but just wish it wasen't in the form of diabetes inducing tooth rotting corn syurpy pre-digested opinions handed to the observer as "the truth".

I think there is a bigger problem in the public mind being fed by these shows...and I would love to see music lead people to question the "either/or" mentality used to distract from thinking critically.
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Let's not forget that it is a drumming competition, not a real-world audition. It is save to say that the "winner" won't be taking anybody's gig away. I really don't mind drummers who are over the top, it makes what I do sound very attractive, and keeps me working.

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What price Tommy Lee will be one of the judges?
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Old 08-06-2012, 01:58 AM
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If it could bring me another Carrie Underwood, I am in favor.

I think, that to capture the average persons attention, a drummer would have to have a lot more than the average dude with a kit. As stated above, the shredding is annoying to most, but a competition would bring out some serious performers especially if the tryouts were nationwide like Idol. Sounds interesting.
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I cannot remember where I originally heard of this idea, but I think that it is great that it is coming to fruition...I love drums and it will should be nice to see...plus I am certain there will be several who should not audition that will make it interesting and comical...I will not be providing comic relief! AS much as I love playing I know my place...ROFL!
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Old 08-06-2012, 12:32 PM
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I'm sure it will have its flaws but it's great to see something that promotes a musical instrument for once. I'm just surprised it wasn't guitars first.
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I'm sure it will have its flaws but it's great to see something that promotes a musical instrument for once. I'm just surprised it wasn't guitars first.
True... and we don't have that many shows on TV focussing on drums and drummers, so it's all good in that respect.

I think once the contestants have been selected after the audition, one of the show should be about playing some famous drum parts from the greats (Steve Gadd's 50 ways to leave your lover comes to mind) and then some styles shows, a rock night, a jazz night, a fusion night, a big band night and so on... it could be real fun watching this show.
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Don't they already have this? And Isn't it called the Guitar Center Drum Off?

I'm going to call it right now, your going to get 3 types of drummers as finalists.

65% - Gospel Chop guys
30% - Flashy, stick trick guys
5% - legit players who deserve to be there

Winner will probably get free gear, money, maybe an endorsement contract with one of the shows sponsors and probably get hooked up as the drummer for a major artist for a little while. Just like the GC Drum Off... And as in American Idol, some of the other finalists may get discovered and get some nice gigs out of it.


If it's an isolated demographic, as in only drummers are watching the show, then fine. But if they push and get the average joe's watching I don't think it's going to help us as a musical community. Drummers sometimes have a bad wrap as being mindless cave-men, or the least important person in the group. In fact, Music Connection Magazine just has me write an article to contradict that stereo-type for last months issue.
If we start showing people the guys who audition for this show, who really can't play, like they do with Idol, I think we are in for more negative interpretations of us than positive.

Especially if I am right about who the finalists will be. The uneducated musicians of the world who don't know 2 from 4 will start thinking that we all need to play like someone who needs to use every 16th note in a bar and never land on "1"...

If you haven't done so already, read my article in Music Connection.
You will see where I'm coming from a little more...
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Old 08-07-2012, 12:59 AM
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Don't they already have this? And Isn't it called the Guitar Center Drum Off?

I'm going to call it right now, your going to get 3 types of drummers as finalists.

65% - Gospel Chop guys
30% - Flashy, stick trick guys
5% - legit players who deserve to be there

are you suggesting that "Gospel Chop" guys are not legit players who deserve to be there?
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Old 08-07-2012, 01:39 AM
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On the bright side, it might bring some level of humanness to drumming.

In the age of the majority of popular music using either drum machines, quantization and/or sound replacement software, and in this age of people seeing DJ's as musicians, seeing real live people playing drums might swing the tide back a bit to "hey, having an actual drummer with actual drums in music is cool" again.
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Old 08-07-2012, 01:59 AM
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are you suggesting that "Gospel Chop" guys are not legit players who deserve to be there?
I think Nick's suggesting that they lack taste in the same way as talented singers in Idol overuse melisma. Murphy's Law tells me that those percentages sound about right, but I'd say it's the 5% that shouldn't be there ;-)

DED, you make a good point about humanness, although it's hard to imagine a non tacky format. I wonder if there'll be tattooed tough guy drummers crying like a girl because they missed the cut?
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Don't they already have this? And Isn't it called the Guitar Center Drum Off?
Perhaps. Perhaps not.

The GC drum off is JUST about solos. Nothing more.

A TV show, I suspect, would incorporate some aspects of playing with a band. I can't imagine it's just solos.

On the other hand, one thing struck me from reading the webstie:
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Pretty sure the best gospel chops guys are not really good drummers. just gospel chopping...
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Good point. Looks like chops are the count all the way. Which makes sense. Since this is a competition I'm guessing groove will be on the back page of the judges guide book.
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Pretty sure the best gospel chops guys are not really good drummers. just gospel chopping...
if you are not being sarcastic

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if the guy in the yellow jacket is on the show, I'll watch!
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Pretty sure the best gospel chops guys are not really good drummers. just gospel chopping...
I'd be embarrassed to even think such a thing let alone communicate it to anyone. Did you put a lot of thought into your statement lol?
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An hour long show with nothing but drummers? I cannot see this lasting more than 1 season if it makes it that far. I love drumming and drums but for the average person who does not play to sit and watch drummers for an hour, I just don't see it. Sounds ridiculous actually..
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What price Tommy Lee will be one of the judges?
I was just thinking that, how about Ginger Baker?

"eh, Ginger, what did you say?"

Who else would be a great judge?
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"And tune in next week for Rudimentary Drum Island where each contestant gets to stay if they can complete stick control front to back, 20 times per exercise with a coconut metronome in a fire pit while foraging for edible mushrooms."

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Firstly, the drummer hosting the show, Gerald Heyward.....I'm sorry but I saw a video of him performing with Mary J Blige on some TV show and it was the absolute WORST performance I've ever seen from a "professional" drummer. I know that this whole "gospel chop" thing is popular with a lot of young black drummers but that performance was aweful. No respect for the artist, the songwriters or the audience who without doubt were at a loss to tap there foot to that nonsense. Played the whole song like a drum solo. So, given that HE is the proposed host, I don't have high hopes for this show. I agree that most of the finalists will be gospel choppy guys. Chops are great, but they mean nothing when it comes to playing "music". I'll find the link of the Mary J Blige video to demonstrate my point.
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Now that I would actually watch! Fantastic.

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Now that I would actually watch! Fantastic.

I wish there were more Wailin' Smash!
Yes, I'd watch that too :) An "alternative reality" show to beat all reality shows.

I'm pretty sure this show won't be aired here. As I've just wasted 1 minute & 29 seconds of my life watching this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KfZ5...layer_embedded , I'm counting that as good news. Great skill (yawn), but leaves me cold.
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Firstly, the drummer hosting the show, Gerald Heyward.....I'm sorry but I saw a video of him performing with Mary J Blige on some TV show and it was the absolute WORST performance I've ever seen from a "professional" drummer. I know that this whole "gospel chop" thing is popular with a lot of young black drummers but that performance was aweful. No respect for the artist, the songwriters or the audience who without doubt were at a loss to tap there foot to that nonsense. Played the whole song like a drum solo. So, given that HE is the proposed host, I don't have high hopes for this show. I agree that most of the finalists will be gospel choppy guys. Chops are great, but they mean nothing when it comes to playing "music". I'll find the link of the Mary J Blige video to demonstrate my point.
I'm sure you are talking about this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7millwbJ7s

and I hear nothing wrong with it.....sure he is over playing a bit but this is what these artists want..... extravagant over the top performances.......check out how many people are on stage ..... ....this is what he is payed to do.....if it wasn't he would be fired

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"Gospel chops"? I didn't know Billy Graham could play the drums . . .
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Going well here - if they want to maximise the rating the judges should be Ginger, Wailin Smash and Tommy Lee.
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WHoooaaaa. That was a joke! SOrry to let it go so long....

A bad joke.

really bad.


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"Gospel chops"? I didn't know Billy Graham could play the drums . . .
What's wrong with a good old fashion "secular chops" drummer?

Personally I have an aversion to gospel chops......who knows, their flashy licks just may be the cause of an unwanted conversion. I ain't taking the risk.

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and I hear nothing wrong with it.....sure he is over playing a bit but this is what these artists want..... extravagant over the top performances.......check out how many people are on stage ..... ....this is what he is payed to do.....if it wasn't he would be fired

Gerald is a fantastic drummer
I understand having over the top extravagance is something that many artists want in their backing musicians. Extravagant movements and stage presence is fine, but this was completely unmusical. I don't know, if people are into that over the top, rediculous choppy church drumming thing then more power to them I guess, but to me, and most people I've talked to it sounds TERRIBLE in the context of a song, and isn't that what we're really supposed to be doing? Playing "music". I could understand throwing some crazy 32nd note fills in a song sure but it has to work musically, this was just aweful. Yes Gerald has some amazing chops, but I'm not at all impressed with his musical sensabilities. I'll end with a quote from JoJo Mayer "my role as a drummer is superceded by my role as a musician, and my role as a musician is superceded by my role as an artist". Gerald and drummers like him need to stop thinking so much like a "drummer" and more like a "musician". Just my opinion :)
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I'll end with a quote from JoJo Mayer "my role as a drummer is superceded by my role as a musician, and my role as a musician is superceded by my role as an artist". Gerald and drummers like him need to stop thinking so much like a "drummer" and more like a "musician". Just my opinion :)
That quote from Jojo is deep and spiritually correct, but Jojo's playing is incredibly over the top, all of Nerve's music is completely overplayed by the drums, it makes Gerald's performance with Mary J Blige looks bland in comparison, there's some "do as I say, not as I do" vibe in that quote IMO, at the end of the day, it remains solely subjective to taste, personally, I liked Gerald's approach on that song... as I like Jojo's performances with Nerve.
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OK, I am going to throw myself at the mercy of DW.

What is a Gospel Chop, am I right in saying it appears to be playing almost constant fills throughout verse and chorus of a song, as opposed to a more subdued rhythm keeping during a verse and a little more 'flash' at certain times during a song?

How did the whole playing style develop to be almost considered a genre of its own? This is not in any way meant to be an inflaming/trolling post, I am intrigued how this thread has become so focused on this one playing style, with such strong views.

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That quote from Jojo is deep and spiritually correct, but Jojo's playing is incredibly over the top, all of Nerve's music is completely overplayed by the drums, it makes Gerald's performance with Mary J Blige looks bland in comparison, there's some "do as I say, not as I do" vibe in that quote IMO, at the end of the day, it remains solely subjective to taste, personally, I liked Gerald's approach on that song... as I like Jojo's performances with Nerve.
The difference, to me anyway, between Jojo's playing and this travesty by Gerald, is that while Jojo's playing is indeed "choppy", it is ALWAYS musical. Nerve plays a very progressive style of music, so that type of playing is musically appropriate. That song by Mary J is a dance/club song. Good luck dancing to that lol. As I said its only my opinion. Just not a fan of the whole "church drumming" thing. I prefer to play musically is all, and save my chops for drum solos and ends of songs lol.
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An hour long show with nothing but drummers? I cannot see this lasting more than 1 season if it makes it that far. I love drumming and drums but for the average person who does not play to sit and watch drummers for an hour, I just don't see it. Sounds ridiculous actually..
Well, us drummers should all support it then. I think gospel chops is cool but they all sound the same to me, and it does get a bit much.

Anyway, I'm sure they'll fill alot of space introducing the competitors and focusing on/fabricating interesting interactions between the contestants. It skews the competition in a bad way but they need to keep the idiots happy.
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Old 08-09-2012, 06:32 PM
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Default Re: Auditions for New Reality TV Show, "America's Next Top Drummer"

I don't see this happening on any major network; it seems that they have yet to pitch the show.
I wonder if the popularity of the drum weeks from the Letterman show had some influence.
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