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Old 01-18-2012, 11:33 PM
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OK big. You made me laugh, but you guys really have to read the whole thread.

Kettles. Why did you de -rail this thread with that picture. They have some nasty colours in there. People on here have already torn that thing apart. :)
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Old 01-18-2012, 11:33 PM
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I wonder if they woulda' said no to Gregg BIssonette.....
Not in a million years! :)
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Old 01-18-2012, 11:35 PM
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Sure some of them are ugly but I don't mind a few of them... anyway I think you know the point I was trying to make :)
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Old 01-18-2012, 11:37 PM
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Sure some of them are ugly but I don't mind a few of them... anyway I think you know the point I was trying to make :)
I know buddy. Where have you been. Haven't seen in these here parts for a while. I thought I asked you to please change your avatar for me a while back. It really bothers me. :) I immediately relate that pic with you. I don't want to. :(
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cant wait to see you on the Sonor Team, Sticks!

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Old 01-18-2012, 11:39 PM
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cant wait to see you on the Sonor Team, Sticks!

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I basically am. A lot of the stuff comes from the same factory! :) I am not overly fond of the lugs though.
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Hey Sticks if you decide to jump ship I know a custom company just a little south of the border from you getting ready to release a pro level, all wood, lugless design, and will build any size, any depth with your choice of hoops, heads and hardware. I am willing bet they would appreciate your kind of brand loyalty more than the big name companies would. Just let me know if your interested.
Please tell me more. All wood (do you mean ply radial design?), lugless (again, radial?) PM if it's sensitive.

Sorry for the slight personal derail Sticks = back to fighting guys ;)
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Old 01-18-2012, 11:50 PM
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Please tell me more. All wood (do you mean ply radial design?), lugless (again, radial?) PM if it's sensitive.

Sorry for the slight personal derail Sticks = back to fighting guys ;)
As soon as he posted that, I knew it would get your attention! :) Better hurry up buddy.
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As soon as he posted that, I knew it would get your attention! :) Better hurry up buddy.
Not worried mate, because what we're doing is totally blue sky stuff, but I do like to keep abreast of who's reinventing the wheel. My guess is that someone's evolving the Volpp design with a slimmed down radial bridge & thin ply shells. That's the easy route, & why wouldn't you go that way, it's pretty much guaranteed to sound good, & be economical to make. TBH, I'm surprised nobody's done it already. Am I right Tard?
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Old 01-19-2012, 12:07 AM
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Not worried mate, because what we're doing is totally blue sky stuff, but I do like to keep abreast of who's reinventing the wheel. My guess is that someone's evolving the Volpp design with a slimmed down radial bridge & thin ply shells. That's the easy route, & why wouldn't you go that way, it's pretty much guaranteed to sound good, & be economical to make. TBH, I'm surprised nobody's done it already. Am I right Tard?
OK. Now you are really de railing my thread! :)
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OK. Now you are really de railing my thread! :)
Let's talk about cats & dogs :)
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Read it again. Take your time. Maybe the third time is a charm. Stick to the facts ma'm. You're missing the entire point. Done.

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So ,the point is, we don't have a beef with this company,and we need you to point that out.Really?I get the the "I'm just playing whole devils advocate" thing here.I also get the "I'm smarter that you are,and you're not seeing the big picture here" attitude.I appreciate that you took the time, to tell us why it presents such a logistical nightmare,and the company couldn't be expected to honor a custom request.

My reading comprehension skills are up to the task here.Your posts on this thread are, and continue to be insulting,and condesending.You continue to believe, somehow that people won't be insulted, in their opinions being called ,absurd,and ludicrous..Do I have it right now?.Those, are the facts,m'am.

Intransigent is what I call that.

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Old 01-19-2012, 12:15 AM
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Well I'm sorry to say that I've had a different experience with 2 different drum company's. The first was my set in 96 on my set of Premier Signia's a cherry wood lacquer, that was a shell pack, 10x9, 12x10, 14x12, 16x14, 22x16, 14x5 snare. I wanted to add an 8x8 to that beautiful kit, so I went to my local Premier shop, which was a Premier dealer. They contacted England directly and a special order was created. It took 3 months and viola my new 8x8 perfect match.

In 99 I got a LTD White Marine Pearl edition set of TAMA Starclassic Performers in 100% Birch, 10x8, 12x9, 14x11, 22x18, 14x5, and I wanted to add an 8x7, and a 16x13. I went to my local 5 Star Drum shop who contacted TAMA Japan and after a week I was contacted and told they could do it. They had enough WMP left to do my 2 drums. 3 months later arrived my 8x7 & 16x13.

All that said, this took place more than 12 years ago. I don't know that anyone other than an endorser would get this kind of service now. TAMA still has great service, Premier is all but gone.
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Old 01-19-2012, 12:21 AM
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Old 01-19-2012, 12:30 AM
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You should have seen me BEFORE the face reconstruction ;-)
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Not worried mate, because what we're doing is totally blue sky stuff, but I do like to keep abreast of who's reinventing the wheel. My guess is that someone's evolving the Volpp design with a slimmed down radial bridge & thin ply shells. That's the easy route, & why wouldn't you go that way, it's pretty much guaranteed to sound good, & be economical to make. TBH, I'm surprised nobody's done it already. Am I right Tard?
Your not too far off, and Im surprised it hasnt been done yet either given the end result but I think the only thing that was holding several companies including a couple of the big brand name ones from releasing a version of that design was waiting for the patent and or manufacturing rights to expire. I am not an expert in that dept by any means but with some subtle changes you can re register as an industrial design and your good or I think after a certain amount of time it doesnt matter and you can use the exact same design anyway. Look at Guager and the original "rims" design, there are at least 5 or 6 companies putting out that same design now.
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Old 01-19-2012, 12:34 AM
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Cant blame him there, I wouldnt want people see me playing a set of those either...JK...lol
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Old 01-19-2012, 02:15 AM
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Oh man, your killin' me... It's because of the Paiste Signatures I'm playing...
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Old 01-19-2012, 08:53 AM
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Sticks ... here's a thought. Order an unpainted Saturn drum. How hard could that be to make? Then, get a local custom shop to paint it to match. I'm sure you Canadian cats have some pretty killer "boutique" shops, that are up to the task.
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So it's not a size issue with the drum but a color/finish choice then? Have an outside source match the color and finish for you.
Here is your best answer if you really want one...

I can recommend some places to have it done if you'd like....
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So you're not having an issue with your size then?

Is that what your telling us?
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I'm supporting European companies. I play Meinl cymbals. Would also like to play drums from here, but I don't like the bulkyness of Sonor. I like the fact when a product isn't mass produced.
What do you mean by bulkiness?

funny thing, I just switched from a Mapex kit to a Sonor one :). Playing Meinls now, too,
as you probably know now :).
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Well, there are other European drum manufacturers too. Premier and Drumcraft are two of the big ones, and then there are a number of smaller custom builders as well.
Premier has quite some problems with weak hardware as far as I know.
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8-inch toms are small and wimpy anyway. Get a real man's tom instead!
LOL :D!



Sticks, tell us how it worked out! The best points so far really are a) contacting Mapex
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Not in a million years! :)
If Mapex see's this thread.....you bet your bottom, they'll make you one.

If it's one thing I know.....it's NO company wants a public thread about how they won't help a customer who has spent thousands of dollars on their gear.
If they won't make one for you....then they won't make one for any other customer.

Let the majority of Mapex buyers know that if they spend money with that company, you may NOT be able to get the add on drums you want.

And that is FACT.....by your experience.

Get this thread to them....and, you'll get your drum.

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Old 01-19-2012, 03:14 PM
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If Mapex see's this thread.....you bet your bottom, they'll make you one.

If it's one thing I know.....it's NO company wants a public thread about how they won't help a customer who has spent thousands of dollars on their gear.
If they won't make one for you....then they won't make one for any other customer.

Let the majority of Mapex buyers know that if they spend money with that company, you may NOT be able to get the add on drums you want.

And that is FACT.....by your experience.

Get this thread to them....and, you'll get your drum.

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Hey buddy. Thanks for the reply. It just kind of boggled my mind that they wouldn't do something like a little 8 inch drum, after what I have done on my part. It is too bad that companies get too big, and start to forget who put them there. I will say it again, "without us, they don't exist". I love their product, and have pretty much proven that in every way I know how. All I want is the odd hug back every now and then. :) They have the wood, the mould, the paint, the guy that has painted a thousand other ones. Just put it all together and ship it off, so I can tell everyone on Drummerworld, how Mapex came through for me. Seems really simple.
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Get this thread to them....and, you'll get your drum.

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I think your post is true, but generally this is kind of a delicate subject I think.
Companies will certainly not start to let people blackmail them in order to
get what they want and not getting bad publicity! :)
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I call it you scratch my back, I will scratch yours. It has worked for thousands of years.
Here is my scratching.

- My own website that I pay for, and run showing off mostly their product www.sticks4drums.com
- Talking about and showing Mapex product on this and other sites
- Doing youtube videos showing off my Monster kit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nHHfV-7hHs
- Putting together 4, and designing a custom graphic 5th Saturn kit, and ordering another Mapex kit that should be here in the spring.
- Recording an original CD soon, 6 songs down, 5 to go, on my Arctic Monster.

16 Piece Saturn in Arctic White


9 Piece Limited Edition Birch/Walnut Saturn in Sienna Fade Fingered Burl.


6 Piece Limited Edition Birch/Walnut Saturn in Yellow Ocher Sparkle Burst(One day a 7 piece hopefully)


4 Piece Limited Edition Saturn in Arctic White, Sticks signature series, club kit.


Mapex Phosphor Bronze Black Panther snares

A nice dry, spot for all of them to hang out.

I also have a Black Panther Blaster snare, Falcon pedals, 4 stock Saturn snares, and many Mapex hats, stands, and stools.

I think my nails are getting worn down! :)

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Old 01-19-2012, 04:11 PM
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I think your post is true, but generally this is kind of a delicate subject I think.
Companies will certainly not start to let people blackmail them in order to
get what they want and not getting bad publicity! :)
It's not about Black mail. It's about a company making a drum someone is going to pay for.
That's their job.

i understand that it was a limited edition kit but, the fact that a customer that has spent thousands on their product (not to mention the press the guys gives em"), and won't get this drum to him.....is absurd.

I've worked retail drums for over 19 years and in all that time....I've never heard of this.

Sure, special order drums can be a pain in the ass.....but, so can threads telling people about your experience with that company.

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Old 01-19-2012, 04:15 PM
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Honestly, this felt like a slap in the face, and I wanted to share it with my electronic family. Some people are always trashing me on here for being an over the top Fanboy. Well I just want to keep it real!
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All I want is the odd hug back every now and then. :)

Aussies aren't known for their hugs...but here it goes...ahhh. Can ya feel the love!!

Oh, BTW, you aint a Fanboy!!!
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Aussies aren't known for their hugs...but here it goes...ahhh. Can ya feel the love!!

Oh, BTW, you aint a Fanboy!!!
Feeling better all ready Mate! :)
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Old 01-19-2012, 07:41 PM
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It's not about Black mail. It's about a company making a drum someone is going to pay for.
That's their job.

i understand that it was a limited edition kit but, the fact that a customer that has spent thousands on their product (not to mention the press the guys gives em"), and won't get this drum to him.....is absurd.

I've worked retail drums for over 19 years and in all that time....I've never heard of this.

Sure, special order drums can be a pain in the ass.....but, so can threads telling people about your experience with that company.

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Derek,I didn't realize you spent that much time in retail.I whole heartedly agree,that while custom orders are logisticly difficult,are the industry standard,and not the exception.

I'm sure you have seen hundreds of custom drums ordered over the years.I think especially in Sticks case,such brand loyalty should be rewarded,even at profit loss for Mapex.I think they should just give him the drum,as a gesture of good will.

The positive vibe generated by such an action,,would sell a lot more drums,than even the best salesman.Cheers

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Old 01-19-2012, 08:14 PM
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Hey Sticks, glad you shared this. Although Mapex is an excellent drum company, I always assumed custom orders usually only happen for endorsers. Interesting to hear stories of custom orders...

I can see whey you're disappointed and I'm sure they appreciate your business. The only suggestion I can think of, is to wait until NAMM is well over (drum companies are INSANE this time of year), and maybe try contacting them through a different avenue.
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Pearl has a special division for just this type of scenario. It is called "masterworks". You describe it, they will hand build it. Not cheap, but no restrictions really, mix up the wood, sizes, hardware etc.
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I've never had to custom order anything from a drum company so I don't know how common it is. But I have to say I think I would side with Mapex in this case. If the 8x8 is something they rarely make why do you think they would make it for you? Sure you have spent a lot of money on Mapex products, but so have most of us, I'm sure nearly everyone on here has a couple thousand dollars worth of gear when they add it up. You have to look at it from their perspective, it is probably not profitable enough to produce this drum for you, regardless of how much you have spent on their company. I would also assume that although you are upset you will continue to play and purchase Mapex products? I would suggest possibly buying a more common size like an 8x10 and taking it to a local drum maker and having him cut it down for you. I hate to sound like I am having no sympathy for you, because I understand about being upset. I lost a screw that holds in the beater to my Yamaha kick pedal, it was a weird size, and they had terrible customer service. I eventually had to order this stupid screw for like $8, I would have expected them to just send me a replacement screw after having spent $400 on their pedal.
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The guy who did the new logo and the drums is currently detained in a mental institution under heavy sedation.... or at least he should be! Like Kettles says, I'm sure if you could get in touch with the right guy something could be done. The only non standard process would be the shell finish, I'm sure all the other components would be available to them, even the shells.
That's a lot of powdercoating. Not to further derail your thread, but have they announced a price increase to cover all that extra powdercoating and finish work? Doesn't make sense for them to just throw it in for free...

Topic: That sucks man and I feel for you. I kinda see it from both angles. That yeah, if they did it for you everyone would want it. Then again, I'm sure they have a blank shell that size just gathering dust, so what's it going to hurt.
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Sucks to hear this. And I still think Mapex makes a great product. But I have to add that this was one of the points being made back in one of the many "why DW is or isn't worth it" threads. I'm going to make some crazy requests from time to time and I want the answer to be f--king yes. I'm willing to pay to get that, and its exactly what I get from the Oxnard crew: "Well, we've never done anything like this before so, yeah, we're super excited about it."

Truth is, there are a many companies that treat people this way. I asked for some custom stuff from Sabian once and they were totally cool with it. It was a 5 minute phone conversation and a two week turn-around for cymbals from a retired line. Even Fibes, back when they were around, stepped up to the plate for some custom pieces that I'll probably never part with just because its so damned cool that they did that for me - some regular ole dude who asked. Not to mention that several "custom shops" declined.

In your case, the request really isn't crazy. In fact, its almost common place. So, that tells me that Mapex really isn't organized around the idea of customer service, which is very disappointing to learn. I hope they find their way around to reconsidering. You more than deserve it for being such a loyal customer, IMO.
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I have brought this thread to Mapex's attention. We'll see if it achieves anything.
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