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Old 12-30-2010, 12:53 AM
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Default Odd Size Cymbals + Even Sized Shells

i have heard that cymbals should be odd sized [13¨, 15¨, 17¨¨ 19¨, 21¨ etc.]

and that drum shells should be even sized [8¨, 10¨, 12¨, 14¨, 16¨, 18¨ etc.]

any truth to that ?

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Old 12-30-2010, 01:02 AM
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Yes. This is the secret to mystic harmonious resonance.
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They should be any size that sounds good to you.
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Old 12-30-2010, 01:16 AM
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I must admit I always prefer odd sizes of cymbals.

Except...22" rides. And 16" crashes. And probably 8" or 10" splashes. Or 20" rides.

Or 18" crash-rides.

So, on reflection...no. But I do prefer 19" crashes to 18" ones.
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Yes. This is the secret to mystic harmonious resonance.
i don´t know if you were joking, but it seems to make sense to me when i look back at things.
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Old 12-30-2010, 01:37 AM
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well... i do prefer 13" hihats and 21" ride cymbals. But the rest of my stuff is all even sizes :)
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i don´t know if you were joking, but it seems to make sense to me when i look back at things.
Yes, joking.

Although I have to admit, the "symmetry" is appealing.
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Old 12-30-2010, 02:41 AM
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Given that the very notion of even or odd is something humans apply to certain numbers, it would be very unusual to find nature replicating it in a meaningful way (beyond the apparent need for symmetry in design). For all we know, the best drum and cymbal sizes for certain applications might even be fractional, but for the sake of manufacturing and market consistency, we have adopted a standardization of sizes that are easy to remember and become attached to.

Btw, one of my favorite rides ever has a 21.75 diameter.
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i have heard that cymbals should be odd sized [13¨, 15¨, 17¨¨ 19¨, 21¨ etc.]
and that drum shells should be odd sized [8¨, 10¨, 12¨, 14¨, 16¨, 18¨ etc.]

I'm just wondering who told unfunkyfooted that!

Thats the guy that I am afraid of.
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Old 12-30-2010, 02:50 AM
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i have heard that cymbals should be odd sized [13¨, 15¨, 17¨¨ 19¨, 21¨ etc.]

and that drum shells should be odd sized [8¨, 10¨, 12¨, 14¨, 16¨, 18¨ etc.]

any truth to that ?
I think you meant shells should be even sized as you show 8 10 12 14 16 18
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yes, i did mean even sized shells : ) fixed.

i know that there are no rules really, and that whatever works for you, works for you and that 18 and 16¨ crashes abound and that fractional cymbals may work best given the player and circumstances, but when i´ve thought back...it did seem that it made sense according to what i remember liking hearing.

i just heard it somewhere...i don´t remember where. as i have looked at gear over the past coupla years, that thought kept coming back to me, so i thought i would ask. my 13¨ tom has been a pain to tune and when i´ve listened to cymbals, it seems that the odd sizes seem more focused. 13¨ hats as opposed to 14¨....17¨ or 19¨"crash as opposed to 16¨ or 18¨.

of course anything can work, but it seems there might be a little something to it, as opposed to no truth at all to it.

thanks for the fun responses. : ) i particularly liked ¨the secret to mystic harmonious resonance¨.
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Old 12-30-2010, 03:31 AM
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After reading this thread I'll never play my 9x13 and my 11x15 toms again!
I'm selling my 14 inch Agop hats and 20 inch 2oo2 ride too.
Oh Crap! I also have three 13 inch snare drums to unload!
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I used to play a 6,8,10. concert toms,13" double headed tom and an 18" floor tom. When I ran those toms top to bottom it gave the illusion of a much bigger kit. The 13's,15's,18's are challenging to learn how to tune,but they definitely have their own cool, very big feeling flavor.
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Do these "rules" apply if you do a unit conversion first - like inches to centimeters or light years? :D
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Do these "rules" apply if you do a unit conversion first - like inches to centimeters or light years? :D
It depends on weather or not it converts out even or odd.
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It depends on weather or not it converts out even or odd.
Ah, good point. .
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Old 12-30-2010, 05:37 AM
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I'm just wondering who told unfunkyfooted that!

Thats the guy that I am afraid of.
This.

Who the heck gives such lame advice?

I admit my toms are all even sizes, but my cymbals are a mix of mostly even sizes, with a few odd sizes.
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Old 12-30-2010, 05:41 AM
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I then have a complete hodgepodge of equipment on my hands, lol. I have heard of this many years ago, but I can't remember where or when. It didn't make sense to me then either.

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Old 12-30-2010, 11:33 AM
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i have heard that cymbals should be odd sized [13¨, 15¨, 17¨¨ 19¨, 21¨ etc.]

and that drum shells should be even sized [8¨, 10¨, 12¨, 14¨, 16¨, 18¨ etc.]

any truth to that ?
Yeah, but only if you use 2 different length sticks..one odd length for your even drums and one even for your odd cymbals...its all about balancing the universe...I saw this on Star trek once...USE WHAT SOUNDS GOOD TO YOU PERIOD!
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Old 12-30-2010, 12:22 PM
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Can't see any logical reasoning behind something like that at all. Considering all the different materials, thicknesses and general variations that exist in both drums and cymbals, making such a general statement makes no sense at all.
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Went through this dilemma last night at the dreaded wheel........odds or evens?.......red or black??.....where to place those damned chips for best return? Alas, I was forced to quit while I was behind.

Stick to drumming (on the sizes of your choosing)....roulette is a mugs game. The house always wins in the end. :-)
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Went through this dilemma last night at the dreaded wheel........odds or evens?.......red or black??.....where to place those damned chips for best return? Alas, I was forced to quit while I was behind.

Stick to drumming (on the sizes of your choosing)....roulette is a mugs game. The house always wins in the end. :-)
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I think the difference an inch makes for either voices is so unnoticeable that debate on the matter is silly.

Some drummers prefer a three inch difference for their drums because the tonal differences aren't large enough for them. That means- *gasp!* -the sizes would be mixed.
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