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Old 12-24-2010, 12:34 AM
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And I'm totally officially envious! He's what I regard as a consumate "power in reserve" player. Incredible kick placement skill, & that's something undervalued, that I value a lot.
He was amazing to watch play. But he was really arrogant, I guess thats just part of the Chicago way though
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He was amazing to watch play. But he was really arrogant, I guess thats just part of the Chicago way though
Really, as usual, that's disappointing. Sigh.
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So far no one has (seriously) listed Phil Rudd, Meg White, Moe Tucker or Chris Franz :)

I find this question hard to answer honestly. It depends on the period of my life and the music I'm playing at the time. When I started it was all Ian Paice, John Bonham, Aynsley Dunbar,, Bill Ward and Roger Taylor. Then Mitch Mitchell, John Densmore, Ringo and Charlie.

Later I was in the thrall of prog/fusion guys like Bill Bruford, Carl Palmer, Billy Cobham and Steve Smith.

Then it was session players like Steve Gadd, Rick Marotta, Jeff Porcaro, Purdie, Jim Hodder - basically the Steely Dan guys. Also Danny Seraphine.

I also saw a lot of local jazz hotshots who played in bands with my sister's partner. Not to mention all the bar band players.

In the 80s I had to completely change my style so as not to sound dated. I looked to players like Chris Franz (he was one of the few drummers around at the time playing a purely acoustic kit in 80s music) and Jon Farris from INXS.

Lately, I've been listening to jazz players because I'm trying to develop a jazz touch (not technique, that's another planet) because I'm in a laid back band but don't want to sound like a dead fish. I've also paid much more attention to other women drummers, who were never on the radar in the old days.

If I was to look at which influences stuck the most, I'd guess:

Bonzo - who left an indelible mark, whether I like it or not
Bruford - for inspiring me to look for options outside the square and to embrace bright kit sounds
Steve Gadd - for his ghost notes and flowing feel
Meg - for helping me overcome the fear of simplicity (though I could never be that simple for more then a few bars)

The other spot would be filled by a mix of all the above players, plus a whole bunch of people I've probably forgotten, including many relatively unknown local drummers. They are all better than I am ... I always feel like everyone plays better than I do and it surprises when people say they like my playing. All I see are the myriad flaws and limitations. In the end, I just try to fit with the music and whatever comes out, comes out ...
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Drummers who keep it simple

Charlie Watts
Billy Kreutzmann
S.P. Leary
Shelly Plotkin
Clifton James

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inspirational to my style;

Joe Morello
Jimmy Cob
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So far no one has (seriously) listed Phil Rudd, Meg White, Moe Tucker or Chris Franz :)
Love Phil Rudd because I grew up on AC/DC and while simple, he's as solid as it gets. Tucker I'm not familiar with, so I can't comment there. Loved Talking Heads as I was growing up in the 80's, so I can't *not* like Franz.

I can't like Meg White. I know there have been volumes written here about her, keeping it simple, chops vs. groove, blah blah blah. The one thing I disliked the most about the White Stripes was Meg White, even before I was playing, myself. The last thing I want is another debate on the subject of Meg's drumming. The only comment I have is; she plays too simple for the music, to the point where it's not tasteful. She definitely sounds like a "dead fish". :) This is just my personal opinion...nothing more.
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Love Phil Rudd because I grew up on AC/DC and while simple, he's as solid as it gets. Tucker I'm not familiar with, so I can't comment there. Loved Talking Heads as I was growing up in the 80's, so I can't *not* like Franz.

I can't like Meg White. I know there have been volumes written here about her, keeping it simple, chops vs. groove, blah blah blah. The one thing I disliked the most about the White Stripes was Meg White, even before I was playing, myself. The last thing I want is another debate on the subject of Meg's drumming. The only comment I have is; she plays too simple for the music, to the point where it's not tasteful. She definitely sounds like a "dead fish". :) This is just my personal opinion...nothing more.
Fair nuff, Vince. I would never want to drum like that personally but the concept (because the WS and Meg is all about concept) did open my eyes to two things - one, the clarity of structure and space of the Di Stijjl approach and also that extreme simplicity can sound good.

There's a few songs of theirs where I feel the minimalist drumming really works (eg. Icky Thump) and it's not something I expected ... like almost everyone else, I'd always been focused on the virtuoso players as per a lot of the players I listed whose ideas, licks, grooves and textures I've stolen (at least the ones that don't boggle my mind). In the past I've played in muso bands, where the drums had a strong, almost equal voice to the other instruments. Now I'm playing with a quality vocalist I like the idea of playing what I think of as "deflecting parts", that push the listener's attention to the singer and his melodic accompaniment. Our singer really likes that too (shock horror :). It means that when I open up, it has more of an impact.

So I'm not influenced by Meg's playing as much as I'm interested in how the concept works. I'm definitely less afraid of, and paranoid about, simplicity now. It's just opened up just one more option for me. I'd guess that Phil Rudd's done roughly the same thing for many a drummer, who found out that they didn't need the chops of Paice and Bonzo to rock out.

Having said that, when I listen to my recorded parts it seems like Bonzo and Gadd are my strongest influences, even though it's not even a bit conscious.

Oops, forgot Michael Giles in my previous post. Bad omission.
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Oh, let me see. I'm thinking about the players I stole the most from.

These aren't in any order.

Al Jackson
Zigaboo Modeliste
Art Blakey
Fred Below

These guys are the ones I always think of when I consider the drummers I emulated and really learned the most from when I was a kid, the ones who most influenced my own playing. There are others but these are the main four I guess.

Edit: Oh yeah! How could I forget Clyde Stubblefield?
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Difficult - probably the less thought the better...
So the first 5 into my head are;

Steve Smith
Phil Collins
Simon Phillips
Anton Fig
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Oops, forgot another, and a biggie too - Sol Amarfio from Osibisa. I've been playing pseudo Afrobeats on the toms ever since.
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i´m driven more by certain licks than by than by specific players although i do certainly have my favorites. i never try to emulate any of them. my groove is dictated by what the song needs. any licks i try to get is to improve my playing...as in ¨I Need To Add That Lick To My (limited) Arsenal¨ - but not to sound like so-and-so.

Ringo (sound of kit / tuning)
Charlie Watts (smack that snare HARD !!!!!! / and push-drive - don´t like his snare tuning though)
Motown (fills)
Bonzo (foot / fills)
Emry Thomas (Johnny Guitar Watson) (pocket. nothing fancy just a tight a$ pocket.)
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kevin goodman
blake fleming
steve jordan
billy cobham
steve gadd/danny carey

others:
benny greb
jojo mayer
joe morello
elvin jones
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I have only been playing for 3 months so I dont have much style but I would love to be able to play what these guys can play...

Adam Gray(Texas in July)
Matt Greiner(August Burns Red)
Matt Nicholls(Bring Me The Horizon) don't really like the band but the beats he drops are amazing
Austin Thornton(Woe, Is Me)
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My Arms, Your Hearse was Lopez's 1st album. Morningrise and Orchid were Anders Nordin.
I always forget about those two...lol

I think his best album with them was either Ghost Reveries, Blackwater Park, or Still Life.
They're all great though
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Old 12-24-2010, 06:16 AM
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Anyone heard Nicky Bomba? He has been on and off with the John Butler trio but does some fantastic roots/world music. One of the bigger home grown talents here in Aus.
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i´m driven more by certain licks than by than by specific players although i do certainly have my favorites. i never try to emulate any of them. my groove is dictated by what the song needs. any licks i try to get is to improve my playing...as in ¨I Need To Add That Lick To My (limited) Arsenal¨ - but not to sound like so-and-so.

Ringo (sound of kit / tuning)
Charlie Watts (smack that snare HARD !!!!!! / and push-drive - don´t like his snare tuning though)
Motown (fills)
Bonzo (foot / fills)
Emry Thomas (Johnny Guitar Watson) (pocket. nothing fancy just a tight a$ pocket.)
I relate to this. Most of us are like bower birds, looking for shiny things to bring back to our nests

I like Charlie's snare sound. He doesn't hit it nearly as hard as amny guys and when you watch him he never looks as solid as he sounds. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VpBzNRKFwo

Forgot another one - Stewart Copeland :)
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I relate to this. Most of us are like bower birds, looking for shiny things to bring back to our nests

I like Charlie's snare sound. He doesn't hit it nearly as hard as amny guys and when you watch him he never looks as solid as he sounds. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VpBzNRKFwo

Forgot another one - Stewart Copeland :)
hmmm...yes...experienced drummers don´t need to physically bash their drums to get a loud sound...but i was thinking more of the last two licks of ¨Hot Stuff¨ (album version), the intro cracks of ¨Beast Of Burden¨ and ¨Tumbling Dice¨ (before the drums are lowered in the mix.

then again, maybe it was Martin Chambers i was thinking of....lol.

¨All Down The Line¨, ¨Heartbreaker¨" and ¨Bitch¨ are examples of the PUSH i was referring to.

regarding INXS - ¨Don´t Change¨ is some FINE drumming and is next on my list of Licks To Get.

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Old 12-24-2010, 09:07 AM
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Fun topic--with a good qualifier: inspiration to your style:

1. Stewart Copeland (tuning, syncopation, hi-hat and use of splashes, everything)
2. Art Blakey (fills, wonderful sense of time)
3. Steve Gadd ("Fifty Ways" was perhaps the first drum part to fill my young head with wonder)
4. Matt Chamberlain (great modern groove master)
5. Matt Wilson & Terri Lyne Carrington (educational approach/philosophy regarding the drums)
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Meg - for helping me overcome the fear of simplicity (though I could never be that simple for more then a few bars)
Well we've had the simplicity discussion on the board... but Poll, you don't have to listen to Meg to hear simplicity! I especially love simplistic parts played by musicians capable of virtuosity. Listen to Fields Of Gold by Sting, e.g.! Or in general, countless tasty simple parts by Vinnie C. :)!
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1. Bobby Graham.

2, Ringo.
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hmmm...yes...experienced drummers don´t need to physically bash their drums to get a loud sound...but i was thinking more of the last two licks of ¨Hot Stuff¨ (album version), the intro cracks of ¨Beast Of Burden¨ and ¨Tumbling Dice¨ (before the drums are lowered in the mix.

then again, maybe it was Martin Chambers i was thinking of....lol.

¨All Down The Line¨, ¨Heartbreaker¨" and ¨Bitch¨ are examples of the PUSH i was referring to.

regarding INXS - ¨Don´t Change¨ is some FINE drumming and is next on my list of Licks To Get.
Yeah, Hot Stuff is great. My fave Stones and Charlie track is Can't You Hear me Knocking. Very tasty stuff.

For Jon Farris, may I recommend Burn for You.


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That's true, Swiss. However, I can't change the past and it was Meg who did the job for me. Yeah yeah, I know she's extraordinary in her ordinariness but I like kinda dodgy drummers - they give me hope :)

I know Vinnie can and does do everything but he's not one of my go-to guys - especially not for simplicity. I'm an Earthling and he's an alien ...
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Tony Williams
Jack De Johnette
Art Blakey
Buddy Rich
John Bonham

If it were a pure favorites list Elvin Jones would replace De Johnette.
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Stewart Copeland
Jojo Mayer
Larry Mullen Jr. (yeah, seriously. first drummer I listened to...)
Carter Beauford
Steve Jordan

and honourable mentions to Papa Jo Jones, Benny Greb and Dominic Howard.

Yeah, it's a varied list, sue me.
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Bonzo
Stanton Moore
Keith Carlock
Phil Rudd
Chad Smith
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I like the "inspirational to your style" qualifier here. Makes the list more interesting. It also makes me wonder if others would hear the same influences in our playing that we cite here.

Steve Gadd
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Elvin Jones
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I always forget about those two...lol

I think his best album with them was either Ghost Reveries, Blackwater Park, or Still Life.
They're all great though
Yah i know what you mean. Orchid and Morningrise almost seem like they're from a completely different band (I like them, but not at the level that I'm obsessed with the rest of them).

Still Life was the 1st Opeth album I checked out and has always been my favorite (which is probably obvious from my avatar).
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He was amazing to watch play. But he was really arrogant, I guess thats just part of the Chicago way though
You must have caught him on a really bad night! I have followed his entire career; from the early jamming days of Chicago (late '60's, early '70's) when he was incredible fast, creative, but appropriately "reserved" as someone said. Mid to late '70's when he really matured as a player and incorporated more jazz into his playing. During the '80's with the ballads was really a waste of his talents. His recent re-entry into playing shows that, like most of us old farts, he came to realize sometimes less is more.
He maybe can't do some of the things of his youth, be he still is a great, creative drummer. Never bought or understood Chicago firing him for his "declining chops". I saw him on his last tour with them in '89/'90; he could still cook!
I was fortunate enough to see him with his then new band, CTA, a few years back on a trip up north. They are a super tight, great group of musicians! I spoke with Danny at two different gigs back then and he could not have been nicer and more humble! We continue to exchange emails occasionally and he comes across as just a great guy. He has a new book out called "Street Player; My Chicago Story". An interesting/easy read. CTA also has a new cd coming out and Danny has a new instructional dvd.
By far, he was most influential in my playing. Gadd, Steve Smith, Ritchie Hayward and Rich being the others. Sorry you had a bad experience with him; that doesn't appear to be the type of person he is, at least now days.
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Virgil Donati.
Sunil De Silva.
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You must have caught him on a really bad night! I have followed his entire career; from the early jamming days of Chicago (late '60's, early '70's) when he was incredible fast, creative, but appropriately "reserved" as someone said. Mid to late '70's when he really matured as a player and incorporated more jazz into his playing. During the '80's with the ballads was really a waste of his talents. His recent re-entry into playing shows that, like most of us old farts, he came to realize sometimes less is more.
He maybe can't do some of the things of his youth, be he still is a great, creative drummer. Never bought or understood Chicago firing him for his "declining chops". I saw him on his last tour with them in '89/'90; he could still cook!
I was fortunate enough to see him with his then new band, CTA, a few years back on a trip up north. They are a super tight, great group of musicians! I spoke with Danny at two different gigs back then and he could not have been nicer and more humble! We continue to exchange emails occasionally and he comes across as just a great guy. He has a new book out called "Street Player; My Chicago Story". An interesting/easy read. CTA also has a new cd coming out and Danny has a new instructional dvd.
By far, he was most influential in my playing. Gadd, Steve Smith, Ritchie Hayward and Rich being the others. Sorry you had a bad experience with him; that doesn't appear to be the type of person he is, at least now days.
I always saw him as a nice guy too. Actually I think the break was more about him trying to take over the day to day responsibilities of the band seeing as how most of the other guys were having bad habit problems that were getting in the way of the business. During all that time Seraphine was supposedly the straight arrow guy. They resented him for trying to in their eyes take over the band, so they sacked him and dissed him in public. The declining chops crack was pushed out there to be especially hurtful because it was a surreal accusation. No less than Buddy Rich himself had praised Seraphine's chops.

None of us were there but a great deal of that came out in the VH1 Behind the Music episode about them.
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My top 5 favs, and top 5 inspiration to my style are two different things.

Top 5 favs would read:
1) Terry Bozzio
2) Neil Peart
3) Greg Bissonette
4) Gene Krupa
5) Steve Smith

top inspirations to way I actually sound in bands
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2) Deen Castronovo
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4) Stan Lynch
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[quote=Pollyanna;780046]Yeah, Hot Stuff is great. My fave Stones and Charlie track is Can't You Hear me Knocking. Very tasty stuff.

For Jon Farris, may I recommend Burn for You.

you may indeed. i checked it out, but didn´t want to derail the thread anymore than we already have (if indeed we have : ) ).

ahhh sweet pontification.

we can continue with these and other thoughts if you like. name the time and place.
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Yah i know what you mean. Orchid and Morningrise almost seem like they're from a completely different band (I like them, but not at the level that I'm obsessed with the rest of them).

Still Life was the 1st Opeth album I checked out and has always been my favorite (which is probably obvious from my avatar).
Still Life is an amazing album. That, Ghost Reveries and Watershed are my favorites. I can't get sick of them no matter how hard I try!
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Yah i know what you mean. Orchid and Morningrise almost seem like they're from a completely different band (I like them, but not at the level that I'm obsessed with the rest of them).

Still Life was the 1st Opeth album I checked out and has always been my favorite (which is probably obvious from my avatar).
I'm the other way around, Morningrise is my favourite Opeth album, the only albums that compare are Damnation and Orchid.
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i checked it out, but didn´t want to derail the thread anymore than we already have (if indeed we have : ) ).

ahhh sweet pontification.

we can continue with these and other thoughts if you like. name the time and place.
Never mind, it's just a bunch of lists and a chat about Danny Seraphine's personality :) BTW, I loved Danny's style on Chicago's early albums, especially the debut album. Was never much of a fan of their songs but the raves they'd go on mid-song when the band would open up were well worth the price of admission. Really enjoyed Terry Kath's raw SG sound too ... poor guy only made it to his 30s.

Listening back to Job Farris's playing in INXS it struck me what a bizarre time the 80s was ... if you didn't have that weird ultra-gated, super-compressed sound (or synth drums) you were considered dated. Some good pop came out of the 80s but it seems like only Larry Mullen Jr and Stewart Copeland are regulars in these lists from that era. I relate to that because I always preferred the more organic styles from the 60s and early/mid 70s.
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Never mind, it's just a bunch of lists and a chat about Danny Seraphine's personality :) BTW, I loved Danny's style on Chicago's early albums, especially the debut album. Was never much of a fan of their songs but the raves they'd go on mid-song when the band would open up were well worth the price of admission. Really enjoyed Terry Kath's raw SG sound too ... poor guy only made it to his 30s.

Listening back to Job Farris's playing in INXS it struck me what a bizarre time the 80s was ... if you didn't have that weird ultra-gated, super-compressed sound (or synth drums) you were considered dated. Some good pop came out of the 80s but it seems like only Larry Mullen Jr and Stewart Copeland are regulars in these lists from that era. I relate to that because I always preferred the more organic styles from the 60s and early/mid 70s.
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i like Chicago too. it is a CRIME that they aren´t in the Rock Hall. guess those 80´s ballads really did them in rep-wise. even still, there was a good amount of uptempo tunes among in those 80´s singles. they seemed to lose the jazz and experimental flavor though and now that i think about it, i don´t remember the horns being present at all. ¨Along Comes A Woman¨ and ¨Stay The Night¨ weren´t ballads AND they were really good songs. and most of the ballads were pretty good too. i hate Bill Champlain though.

the INXS song was mostly a drum machine bed with overlaid rim shots. i´m not a fan of rim play (or bell work), but i usually like Farris´ rim work, as on ¨I Need You Tonight¨. his rim hits are more solid than other player´s and less rattley. i like that.

the Funk Hump (as i call it)...the lick that goes Ba-dooomp :P is one of my favorite licks (hopefully i don´t use it too often). i feel it is better utilised in more focused tracks like this:

MFSB - Love Is The Message
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuUvGh9-Ef4

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Prince - Sexy Dancer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnaZkkm306Y
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Listening back to Job Farris's playing in INXS it struck me what a bizarre time the 80s was ... .
Farris was (is) an interesting drummer. Totally different approach then really anyone. He wasn't much into playing the drum set in a normal fashion. He loved to layer tracks and using odd sounds. He was almost more a percussion composer than a drum set player. But then he could surprise you with totally tasty normal drumming on "Never tear Us Apart."

I always loved what he came up with for songs like "The One Things" "Don't Change" and others.

Larry Mullen Jr has always been a favorite. What I love about his drumming on those early albums is he didn't play beats and fills, he played rhythmic hooks that became just as important has the guitar hooks in making the songs. What may have lacked in technically skills he more than made up for in being super creative.
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UFF, you're probably right about Chicago. When they took out the jazzy and edgy bits they poured out the beer and only offered up froth. I don't think losing the personality of Danny's drumming helped either.

But I can't find the "ba-doomp" lick you're referring to in those links. Can you help out an old lady and give me the times when it's done? :)

DED, I always thought Jon played those things as one track rather than overdubbed. It's all do-able (which of course doesn't mean it was done :). But yeah, some of the quirks that really made the song for me were missing live (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_yeVpAVDXs). That ultra-staccato sound in the studio is very unforgiving - your timing has to be spot on (eg. I Send A Message). Michael Urbano was perhaps one of the best drummers of the 80s bands. Tight as a fish's behind but he was never an influence on me.

80s drumming is the style that caused me to quit playing - having to play fat monster backbeats super-clean and to strip out so much of the ghosting and little musical interactions that I pretty well live for when I play. I never played more tightly than I did back then - every note was scripted - and I never found drumming to be such a chore. Once I realised I couldn't "make it" and avoid the dreaded normal 9-to-5 existence and all the family crap there was nothing to hold me.

I consider myself a 60s/70s kind of drummer influenced by people of those times, so every time I play someone a track of my old bands and someone says it sounds 80s I die a little lol
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DED, I always thought Jon played those things as one track rather than overdubbed. It's all do-able (which of course doesn't mean it was done :). But yeah, some of the quirks that really made the song for me were missing live (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_yeVpAVDXs). That ultra-staccato sound in the studio is very unforgiving - your timing has to be spot on (eg. I Send A Message). Michael Urbano was perhaps one of the best drummers of the 80s bands. Tight as a fish's behind.
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I never meant to imply everything was over dubbed. The One Thing and such are doable.
But on Kick, songs like "Need You Tonight" have two parts going on at the same time. There has to be overdub unless he grew a 3rd arm.. "Devil Inside" is a mix of loops and real drums. "Mystify" is interesting. Was it all e-pads, or layers? I'm not sure.
The only point was he was never afraid to experiment. It's clear the idea of "I'll do this to impress other drummers" never crossed his mind. Heck, "Mediate" is just a drum machine, and even in the live version, John just plays a shaker over the machine part.
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I never meant to imply everything was over dubbed. The One Thing and such are doable.
But on Kick, songs like "Need You Tonight" have two parts going on at the same time. There has to be overdub unless he grew a 3rd arm.. "Devil Inside" is a mix of loops and real drums. "Mystify" is interesting. Was it all e-pads, or layers? I'm not sure.
The only point was he was never afraid to experiment. It's clear the idea of "I'll do this to impress other drummers" never crossed his mind. Heck, "Mediate" is just a drum machine, and even in the live version, John just plays a shaker over the machine part.
Okay, I see what you mean. I was thinking more of his earlier stuff. He definitely an original approach.
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