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Old 01-24-2012, 01:49 AM
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The better drummer you are, the less drums you need.

Big sets can look pretty neat, but an artist can keep your interest with only one drum.
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Old 01-24-2012, 01:53 AM
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The better drummer you are, the less drums you need.

Big sets can look pretty neat, but an artist can keep your interest with only one drum.
Then there would be no such thing as "drum sets", lol.

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Old 01-24-2012, 01:56 AM
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I can just see Neil Peart trying to play 2112 on one drum. Or Danny Carey, or Mike Portnoy, or, you get the idea. They have lots of drums, and are pretty good drummers. Does that mean they would be even better on a single drum?
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I have to agree with NPYYZ, Big kits look better, are more fun to play, have more sounds at your disposal, don't limit you in any way unless you have a small vehicle :) IMHO!



I knew that seeing this thread you would have posted this somewhere, you and your massive kits.
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Old 01-24-2012, 02:40 AM
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OK. Who is that???????
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Old 01-24-2012, 02:41 AM
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At least it wasn't me this time. :)
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Old 01-24-2012, 03:01 AM
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If I know I will be touching a drum/ cymbal/cowbell one or more times, I will set it up.
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The better drummer you are, the less drums you need.

Big sets can look pretty neat, but an artist can keep your interest with only one drum.
The better drummer you are, the more drums you can use well.

Yes, a good artist can keep your interest with just one drum - but a good artist can also keep your interest with 10 drums.
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I can just see Neil Peart trying to play 2112 on one drum. Or Danny Carey, or Mike Portnoy, or, you get the idea. They have lots of drums, and are pretty good drummers. Does that mean they would be even better on a single drum?
"Yes, because they would have had to be more creative."

Anything you can play on a large set, you can play on a small set. The reverse is not always true.
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Old 01-24-2012, 03:24 AM
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"Yes, because they would have had to be more creative."

Anything you can play on a large set, you can play on a small set. The reverse is not always true.
Sorry buddy. Disagree. You try playing RUSH, Dream Theater with a four piece and I will know very soon you do not have enough drums to pull it off. Unless you want all the fills to sound the same.
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If I know I will be touching a drum/ cymbal/cowbell one or more times, I will set it up.
If I touch a drum/cymbal/cowbell only one time during a show, I seriously consider if it's worth bringing it or not.

...that's one of the plights of playing musicals. Usually, that item that you play only once in the whole 1-3 hour show is critical. Luckily, the show runs for a couple of weeks, and you only need to set it up once, though. :)
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The better drummer you are, the more drums you can use well.

Yes, a good artist can keep your interest with just one drum - but a good artist can also keep your interest with 10 drums.


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My kit back in the day grew all the time. It became a burden to me. Although I admit I liked having a set that looked like the Portnoys of the world at that time.

I play on my cousin's drum set right now which is a little bigger than mine used to me. As I am beginning to take drumming seriously again (I had a two year hiatus), I have a new desire for a 5 piece set. I will still have my high octobans when that time comes, but I just feel it is time for me to focus on the building from the ground up again both in my playing and set up.

If I get any more toms, it would one higher as I love the sound of high 8in toms. Cymbals, now that is another story. To me, the more cymbals the better!
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Sorry buddy. Disagree. You try playing RUSH, Dream Theater with a four piece and I will know very soon you do not have enough drums to pull it off. Unless you want all the fills to sound the same.
I agree with what sticks4drums said... Why put limits on the fills that could be played? I'd choose a 5 or 6 piece over a 3 piece any day...

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I agree with what sticks4drums said... Why put limits on the fills that could be played?
If a player can afford it ... and is prepared to do all the lugging, setup and maintenance (or pay someone to do it) ... and there's plenty of room on stage ... and the band likes it ...

then a big kit is just fine.
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Old 01-25-2012, 04:05 AM
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I was just messin' with you guys. Ya - I've seen a lot of discussions like this about # of keyboards too.
There's always some 'wise-guy' who says a good player only needs one, just to stir up the hornet's nest.
Big kit/small kit - either one's just fine with me. Mine have always been 5 piece with a lot of add-ons.
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Old 01-26-2012, 06:55 PM
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Big kits are a lot of fun. Who wouldn't love them? Sometimes I play gigs where I just don't want to bring my drums and use whatever's there. I always find it educational to play someone else's set. All that being said, my 3 piece kit always fascinates me. I can do anything on that kit that I can do on a monster kit - except change the pitch of the tom. Smaller kits force me into an economical playing style that depends far more on expression and nuance than crash-bang-boom. 20 minute snare solos? Yup. Sounds great.
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Old 02-01-2012, 05:19 PM
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Ive played both though the years. Each have thier own + & thier own -.

Here are my two extremes.

1 a 1992 Pearl world series.
8x8,8x10,10x10,10,12,12x13 mounted toms
14x14,16x16,18x16 floor toms
(2) 22x18 bass drums
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6x12,6x14,6x16,6x18 octotoms
W/ 3 Sabian AAs & 8 Zildjian As


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16x16,16x18 floor toms
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Old 02-01-2012, 05:23 PM
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Ive played both though the years. Each have thier own + & thier own -.

Here are my two extremes.

1 a 1992 Pearl world series.
8x8,8x10,10x10,10,12,12x13 mounted toms
14x14,16x16,18x16 floor toms
(2) 22x18 bass drums
14x12 marching snare
6x12,6x14,6x16,6x18 octotoms
W/ 3 Sabian AAs & 8 Zildjian As


Now
10x8,12x10 toms
16x16,16x18 floor toms
22x26 Bass
14x 6 1/2 snare
W/ 9 Saluda Earthworks
You need to put the Pearl monster on the crazy tom angle thread! :)
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Old 02-01-2012, 06:28 PM
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I find it often comes down to how loud a project is to how many drums are preferred.

In a jazz piece you have all those wonderfully low dynamics that totally change the character of a drum.

Try that in an arena rock band and no one would ever hear it, so you need more drums to make up for the lost ranges of your other drums.

Still both large and small kits are great, and really are different monsters. The only thing worse than a bad drummer on a big kit, is a bad drummer on a small kit. Bad drummers sound bad, good drummers sound good and the kit makes very little difference.
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Old 02-01-2012, 06:35 PM
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Bad drummers sound bad, good drummers sound good and the kit makes very little difference.
More true words could not have been written.
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Old 02-01-2012, 06:39 PM
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Ya, but what about me? I am an average drummer on a big kit! :)

Good points there Andy. Someone recently thought I should be a great drummer, because I had a big kit. I just like big kits. I love toms! :)
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You need to put the Pearl monster on the crazy tom angle thread! :)
Ya think so there Sticks?

At the time I was just going for something almost like Nicko McBrain
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Ya think so there Sticks?

At the time I was just going for something almost like Nicko McBrain
It's cool! So where is it now?
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You can spend the big bucks on a large kit when you have the money and just not use some drums to create a small kit.

You have to spend spend time finding other drums that match (if you like having matching drums) and money to get the drum, which may be a pain if you are financially hurting at that point and time.
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It's cool! So where is it now?
I sold it up in Vermont a lot of years ago
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4 piece.... it's gotta be a four piece.
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You can spend the big bucks on a large kit when you have the money and just not use some drums to create a small kit.

You have to spend spend time finding other drums that match (if you like having matching drums) and money to get the drum, which may be a pain if you are financially hurting at that point and time.
I bought my first pro-level kit (DW in 10/12/14/16/22 configuration) with this same idea: I could use whichever toms I felt fit the music better, and however many of them I needed. I have yet to come across a situation where I NEED more than a rack tom and a floor tom. Heck, I have yet to play a gig where my 12/14/20 setup wouldn't suffice. But, then again, I don't intend to play in a Rush or Dream Theatre cover band any time soon...
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