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Old 08-15-2006, 10:15 PM
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MFB, do you have vented or non-vented? The site recommends vented for musicians, but they don't really seem to have much dB reduction.
Mine are vented, they do have a significant dB reduction. If you're doing a serious amount of high, cracking rimshots, you may be better off with non vented, but like I said, for 90% + of applications, even the vented ones will be fine. They let through enough of the natural sound, more than non vented would at least.

Jay, I remember once doing a session for a friend in his (converted-ish) cellar. I was hitting hard and my snare was cranked right, right up. I had my proplugs in, but I remember the guitarist walking in and physically flinching and blinking every time I hit a rimshot. I was playing for a Pixies cover, so it was totally appropriate. I was laughing so hard each time I hit that backbeat.
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Old 08-15-2006, 10:17 PM
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Alright, thanks for the info. You've played wuhan and stagg splashes havent ya? I know this is completely unrelated to this thread, but what series is your stagg, and which do you think is better (if they're the same price)?
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Old 08-15-2006, 10:20 PM
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The splash is a DH 8". Very thin, very trashy. I don't think you can actually go wrong with any of their series of splashes, they all share similar characteristics with the super trashiness. My SH China Splash (10") is a little dead sounding, but it's probably the way I have it mounted. Great effects cymbals.
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Jay, I remember once doing a session for a friend in his (converted-ish) cellar. I was hitting hard and my snare was cranked right, right up. I had my proplugs in, but I remember the guitarist walking in and physically flinching and blinking every time I hit a rimshot. I was playing for a Pixies cover, so it was totally appropriate. I was laughing so hard each time I hit that backbeat.
LMAO the first time the band I'm with heard me play properly I remember laughing so hard at them for the exact same reason, I was using a 13" x 3" steel shell cranked up as far as humanly possible at the time tho haha
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Old 08-15-2006, 10:22 PM
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I think the 42 Strand Wires may have added to the super loudness. It really needed a video, but alas. Try putting some 42 Strand wires on your 13x3 brass. That would be very, very loud.

EDIT: I remember my old band telling me not to hit rimshots. Proudest moment of my drumming life.
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Old 08-15-2006, 10:27 PM
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I think it's only drummers who find that funny though =]
Everytime I play a rimshot (even when it is appropriate), my whole band just turn round and stare at me. Its great fun! And to be fair, we don't get annoyed when guitarists play pinch harmonics so I guess us drummers are just more laid back.
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Old 08-15-2006, 10:29 PM
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Guitarists can turn up to 11 though... apparently.
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Old 08-15-2006, 10:30 PM
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that's deffinately my next purchace, some new wires for my 14" x 3.5"... I put the maple back in it last night, so it's a little softer, until it gets cranked again, then the thickness & density of the wood really makes the sound project haha

Back on topic tho... I must start using my plugs again... at some point... soon... maybe
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Guitarists can turn up to 11 though... apparently.
but only if you're a member of spinal tap though...
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Old 08-15-2006, 10:31 PM
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haha yeah... Just gives us an excuse to play that bit louder though doesnt it ;)
There is no sound that a good instrument can make that annoys me. If it was coming from some guitar that sounded cringe-worthy however, that would be a different matter...
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Old 08-15-2006, 10:33 PM
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it's funny, after a couple of years of trying to find the right earplugs I've just gone back to straight forward foam ones!

I did like the etmoyotic research ones, they're good. I wasn't impresed with Proplugs to be honest - I found them quite uncomfortable. I think at the end of the day if I'm doing quieter work I don't use any, if it's really loud I stuff foam ones in, and anything in between I just put foam ones in fairly lightly.

I'm sure this is in a different thread, but the best earplugs I've found are actually the shure ec2 isolation earphones I use with click/backing tracks. They actually work very well just as earplugs (although you look a bit silly with nothing plugged in!).

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Old 08-15-2006, 10:36 PM
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Sesh, that's very interesting. You found them uncomfortable? Well I suppose everybody has different shaped ears (mine never accept bud ear phones for instance). Are you sure you were using the right size? I'm just interested, mine are ridiculously comfortable.
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Old 08-15-2006, 10:38 PM
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For playing along to a click track/music I just use some cheap Maxell imitations. Cost me 5 and they work pretty well. I just want something a little more practical and effective. Nobody I know finds my earbud headphones comfortable, but I think they're great. They don't feel like they're gonna fall out like normal headphones. For loud practices I just use cotton wool at the moment, so I'm sure pro plugs will be an improvement where comfort is concerned. To be honest it doesnt even work that well... =(
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Old 08-15-2006, 10:42 PM
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MFB,

yeah - everyone else I know loves them too. I'm pretty sure they were the right size, I think it's me - the pointy bit that sits outside just annoyed me, and one ear tende to work it's way out. I think I've one ear different to the other!

As I say though, everyone else I know loves them so I'm pretty sure it's me.

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Old 08-15-2006, 10:46 PM
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I'm sure this is in a different thread, but the best earplugs I've found are actually the shure ec2 isolation earphones I use with click/backing tracks. They actually work very well just as earplugs (although you look a bit silly with nothing plugged in!).
Well I'm definately looking in to getting a pair of those, just what I need for listening to pre programmed sequences (by myself) for playing back with the band, thanks for the info Sesh
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Old 08-15-2006, 10:47 PM
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XeroX,

Cheap earbuds do work pretty well - the cool thing about isolation earphones is that they cancel out most eternal noise, like an earplug, and inject the click or whatever right into ear. That basically means you can have the volume right down on the backing track and get a really nice mix without blasting your ears. I used to just use headphones, but I always found I had the volume right up = which isn't good for you, and gives a pretty difficult mix.

Anyhow, if any of you guys ever get into much backing track work or whatever I'd check out the ec2's - they're only about 60.

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Old 08-15-2006, 10:50 PM
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I meant I use cheap isolation earbuds. Imitations of the shures that you use. I hate normal earphones cos they feel really lose and you have to turn them right up to hear them - and even then the sound quality isnt as good. I had some good philips isolation headphones, but one of them cut out so i ripped it off and bought new (cheap maxell) ones. If I had 60 to spend on headphones I'd probably go for the EC2s, but as it stands I only ever have about 6 to spend on headphones and occassionally get lucky like I did with the 30 philips ones I got for 9.99.
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Old 08-15-2006, 10:51 PM
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Jay.B, glad I could help - they are fantastic - and a very good cheap alternative to the 300 molded ones shure do. They come with about 10 different alternative inserts (different sizes and materials) so they should fit and suit everyone.

I should be a shure endorsee....I hope someones listening!

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got a couple of pairs on my ebay watch list now
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Old 08-15-2006, 10:53 PM
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thanks again, I was either using a full monitor setup, which meant the audience could hear the click count in haha or a pair of senheiser headphones I still have from my DJing days haha so these will make a great professional looking and sounding alternative :-)
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I meant I use cheap isolation earbuds. Imitations of the shures that you use. I hate normal earphones cos they feel really lose and you have to turn them right up to hear them - and even then the sound quality isnt as good. I had some good philips isolation headphones, but one of them cut out so i ripped it off and bought new (cheap maxell) ones. If I had 60 to spend on headphones I'd probably go for the EC2s, but as it stands I only ever have about 6 to spend on headphones and occassionally get lucky like I did with the 30 philips ones I got for 9.99.
Cool, sorry I misunderstood! I didn't know you could get them that cheap actually, that's good value - particularly if they're good as you say. I'm lucky, I landed a couple of decent gigs with BTs, so it made sense to spend the cash.
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Old 08-15-2006, 10:56 PM
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Yeah and no problem for the misunderstanding - i sort of misphrased what i said.
They arent great headphones - the sound quality is acceptable, but they do isolate the sound pretty well. They also came with 3 different sets of rubber bits to make sure you get the right size.
I barely have enough money for 5 headphones seeing as how I don't have a job and I'm still goin to school full time. Also my band is barely gigging at the moment and when we do, its usually not payed :(
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thanks again, I was either using a full monitor setup, which meant the audience could hear the click count in haha or a pair of senheiser headphones I still have from my DJing days haha so these will make a great professional looking and sounding alternative :-)
Well good luck with the auctions. At the end of the day, there's a reason why weckl, jojo mayer and pretty much everyone else uses shure. Plus, I think the ec2's look cooler than the molded anyway - I like the black finish! :-)

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I bought 3M ear plugs just to experiment, beacuse I read a lot of good stuff about a Vic Firth headphones for drummers. I thought, man I can get me one of these and I'll save my ears and become a better drummer too. So I went to the store and they didn't have them so I ordered them. Then I went to the mall and saw the 3M reusable ear plugs. I said, let me try these until the headphones arrive. Man these things rock, now I can play for hours and hours and never have to worry about ear damage. The kit sounds fantastic behind these things and I can hear everything so clear and defined. Now I can't wait for the headphones to arrive!!!
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I'm really angry that I didn't know that I should be using ear plugs for four years of drumming, thankfully I don't have any problems and I want to keep it that way.
This is serious protect your ears because it is permanant and for some reason people think it's funny.
I tend to wear them at large concerts too beacuse they get to be pretty loud.
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I'm trying out the Vic Firth isolation headphone and I could hear guitars and my drums, etc..My problem (or everyone's ?) is that after I wear it for about 15 minutes and take it off, everything sounds extremely loud (it's not that loud before I put on the headphone or earplug) and my drums and cymbals sound crappy. It takes another 1/2 or 1 hour with the headphone off to get my ears back to normal hearing where all the sound balance out, not extremely loud. Is this normal when one wears an earplug or an isolation headphone? None of the guys in our band wants to wear headphone or earplug. We play light rock during practices. We don't get any ringing sound after each practice. We keep the volume down. Is that OK or an earplug/headphone is still recommended at any sound level?
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Yeah the exact same thing happens to me when I wear my ear plugs
When I take them off after about an hour my snare drum sounds like a thousand decibels it's really annoying but I guess that kind of shows you what you're exposing your ears to when you don't wear ear plugs.
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Can anybody recommend a good set of ear attenuators. The noise is not comfortable.
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Old 02-13-2007, 03:38 AM
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Etymotic Research ER20. $12USD, pretty transparent, like turning down the volume on your ears. If you're experiencing 100dB+ for more than a couple hours, I'd get the foam ones instead, they offer more protection, at the cost of killing off high frequencies very noticably.
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I use these Vic Firth headphones and they work perfect and the kits sounds way better.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/produ...nes?sku=443953
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I use these Vic Firth headphones and they work perfect and the kit sounds way better.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/produ...nes?sku=443953

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I use these Vic Firth headphones and they work perfect and the kits sounds way better.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/produ...nes?sku=443953
Yeah I have a pair of them but I want something I can gig with and retain some dignity. Cheers for the help guys.

A friend of mine has a set that were molded to the shape of his ear. Cost about 120 euro. Has anybody here tried this type of attenuator?
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I considered it, but I've been pleased enough with the ER-20's that I don't worry about it anymore. The molded ones simply can't be 20x better to justify the cost.
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That's fair enough. I'm getting a pair of the molded ones soon. I'll let you know how good they are. By the way how long do those other ones last? Are they disposable yeah?
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Default Re: PROTECT YOUR EARS.

I have been playing for about 40 years. My ears ring all the time. I wear ear plugs now, but when I was younger I never gave it a thought. All I can hope to do is keep it from getting worse. I even use ear plugs when practicing to CD's with headphones on.

I am right handed and my main ride is set up to my right. The right ear is probably the one that has gotten the brunt of it over the years. Someone mentioned a study that was done about jazz musicians and hearing loss from ride cymbals. I can attest to that fact.

Everyone should wear some sort of protection and start when you are young. Hearing loss is cumulative.
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So after 30 years of playing and even with using earplugs/ear protection, I still got tinnitus a few years ago. Its like having a small tea kettle whistling all the time in your head. Who else has it, how bad, and what, if anything are you doing about it.
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i have it about 10-15 mins after i play.. butnot other than that.
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i have it about 10-15 mins after i play.. butnot other than that.
Do you wear ear plugs? You might want to look into that. Hell even stuffing tissue in your ears is better than nothing, and may I say a bold fashion statement. Constant ringing sucketh.
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I've had it for about ten years. I did some damage to my ears beginning in high school, playing in garage bands, marching bands and drum corps. Any damage you do to your hearing is irreversible, so all you can do is protect what you've got. You can get a good pair of earplugs for $10 or less. You can also get a pair custom-made to fit your ears that will attenuate all frequencies equally, but they can get pretty pricey.
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