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Old 08-02-2005, 03:30 PM
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I bought some of those Doc's Earplugs (a pair of vented and a pair of non-vented) and some of the Ear Armour ER-20 as mentioned by NUTHA, after reading the ear protection article in a fairly recent drummer mag. I found the ER20's offer decent protection but aren't comfy for more than an hour and a half to 2 hours. The Proplugs are very comfy but for me just don't offer very good protection. I used the NON VENTED ones over about 3 practices and each time came out with ringing ears and I'm neither a hard hitter nor is my band overly loud. Needless to say after this there wasn't much point in trying the vented version which obviously offered lesser protection.
There's my two penneth anyways. Always protect your ears, once they're gone so is your drumming and nobody here wants that.
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Old 08-02-2005, 04:20 PM
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Hi.
Of course, headphones and some meterials works nice!. But (I know it's very interesting) I use a piece of "cotton". You know it doesn't absorb bass frequency but it protects my ears from rimshots, 18"China and loud hihat...

And unfortunately I can't use headphone beacuse of rimshots... If I use headphone (with metronome), I don't play rimshot!...

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Old 08-02-2005, 10:49 PM
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I use Studio Kans.....those are sweet headphones.....they keep sound out so good you can hardlly hear yourself playing...hehe...anyway, they have a volume control on them also....so you can put the music down really low and still hear yourself play.....this keeps you concentrating on your stick height for volume......you can also get the pair with the built in metronome but I already have a very nice metro so didnt need that added feature.....

This has helped a lot....plus if I go to concerts, I wear ear plugs....I seen Kansas a few months back and used them....they played at the House of Blues in Chicago and they were so loud......but with the plugs I could hear every little thing they were playing......good for a learning tool also....
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Old 08-03-2005, 12:59 PM
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I use custome made ear-plugs when Im playing. They are really nice cause they dim all the frequences with 15 db, and they take away all the dangerous frequences.
Its like playing without plugs, but the sound is lower.
Really nice.
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Old 08-03-2005, 05:46 PM
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I invested in a set of custom fitted ER25 ear plugs that reduces the entire sound spectrum by 25 Db. My audiologist recommended them instead of ER15 (15 Db reduction) because of the decibel pressure generated by my drums. I have had them now for about 8 months and I use them in both practise and live situations. It took a while getting used to having protection in during a gig but my hearing longevity is well worth it. Our bass player complained that I cannot hear him in practise but I can as I hear all of mistakes that he blames on me :-) I find that soft spoken conversation is hard to hear with them in but hey, you can take them out!

I am going to also get a set of ER15s filters (my ear plugs have interchangeable decibel filters) for going to concerts.

The belief is that hearing is like being a virgin, once you lose it, it will never come back!!!
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Old 08-04-2005, 04:02 PM
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Hmmm...interesting chart Nutha. I am a bit confused though. Alot of those sounds don't seem to measure up to what's real. For example, I don't see how it's possible that brush playing is as loud as a motorcycle or a lawnmower. And, working in a machine shop, I've never heard a drill press that was anywhere near as loud as a lawnmower or motorcycle.

Anyway, I do know the value of ear protection. When I was younger, I took it for granted and I had noticeable hearing loss. 15 years away from drumming helped to alleviate some of the loss, but now that I'm back to drumming, I wear good sound attenuating headphones everytime I practice.
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Old 08-04-2005, 04:42 PM
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Brushes are clearly louder than a motorcycle. Let's say you play brushes on the middle of the road and a lawnmower appears at the horizont 5 miles away, you can see him and hear him not yet. So you can take all your time, finish practice and then move to the side.

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Old 08-09-2005, 12:33 PM
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I usually use full on ear muffs like the kind a person using a pnumatic drill would have
out in the street. This is just at practice though, I use regular plugs for a gig. The sound you hear through the muffs is awesome though, it's like having your kit digitally mixed. Y'all should try it out sometime.
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Old 08-09-2005, 01:06 PM
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i use the 30db orange ear plugs from guitar center, and they work great for practice and jam sessions. however, i ordered some of these to hopefully wear to concerts, and maybe even start using them for practice. anyone know how well these will work or if they are safe enough? http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...requestid=4851
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Old 08-11-2005, 05:29 PM
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This is no laughing matter. i am 15 and have irrreversible hearing damage. I have never went to a docter but I have a ringing in my ear that was been there for a little over a year. For two years I played drums for 2-3 hours a day with no ear plugs. Then I would start to get headaches after I play. I would stop playing until the ringing went away. The ring started lasting for days before going away. Now I have ringing in my right ear that doesn't go away. I started wearing earplugs and have been for about a year. I started when I realived the ringing wasn't going away. Since I started wearing earplugs the problem hasn't gotten any worse. But it hasn't gotten any better. If you are just learning, wear earplugs. Just because you are young doesn't meen you can't loose your hearing. I now have two sinces that are bad. I don't have a since of smell either. Along with my bad hearing. Wear earplugs.
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Old 08-11-2005, 05:34 PM
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A Ted Nugent concert that I went to didn't help my hearing either. I was right by the drum amp. Right in front. And Ted Nugent isn't aloud to play in Ohio anymore because of the noise ordinence. That is the loudest concert I will ever hear. And I was right by the speaker. The concert went for three hours.
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Old 08-11-2005, 11:04 PM
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I think ear protection is very important. I bought custom made hearing protectors from a company called elacin ( www.elacin.nl ). They make these protectors which reduces the volume but does'nt affect the frequencies. They cost about 200 euros ( I don't know how much it is in dollars ) but I think that's not so much of my hearing.
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Old 08-17-2005, 10:57 PM
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I think the thing to remember is hearing loss or damage is permanent, why take the chance? Also, you can get ear plugs in a drug or sports store for less than $5.00
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Old 08-19-2005, 01:14 AM
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I use the er15 both for practice and for concerts. I have ordered er6 earplugs to go with them. Hope they sound allright.
My problem is, I find the er15s to cut a bit to much of the high frequensies. The drums sound to muffled and the cymbals dont sound bright enough. I read that other people here use plugs by etymotic. Are your experiences the same or can it be that mine came out bad? (bad moulding?)
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Old 08-20-2005, 05:14 AM
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when i began drumming, i never wore ear protection. especially that i used to always hit my cymbals fairly hard, it already began effecting me. Luckily i was smart enough to realise that my hearing could be damaged if i kept doing that. Now protecting my hearing has became a top priority when it comes to drumming. My family (on my dad's side) is known for hearing problems at fairly young ages (young as in mid 40's) and i dont want to make it even worst if it will happen to me as well :D by the way, seeing that chart nutha posted has made me push my ear plugs even farther (lol..jokin, but it has definetly made me take hearing protection alot more seriously)
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Old 08-20-2005, 06:56 PM
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i never thought ear protection was that necessary until i read this thread and looked at nutha's chart. now i have the soft earplugs you get when you are on a plane. seems to do the job pretty well imo. it sounds so loud when i'm playing without earplugs and im glad i have them now.

is it absolutely necessary to get medical earplugs prescribed by a doctor? i mean i think cotton or cheap earplugs do the job well.
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Old 08-20-2005, 08:27 PM
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Really, your not kidding about the change in sound. When i play with the band im in now, The keyboard gets lost. Im sittin there going, wow this sucks. Does Any one have a better suggestion besides these big ginormous head sets?
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Old 08-20-2005, 08:27 PM
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Mundo, do those headphones work good as far as sound protection? I think Vic Firth makes a similar product that I've thought about.
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Old 08-23-2005, 04:15 AM
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I found some great ear plugs, they're made by a company called Silent Ear. They take off 33 decibels and are reusable. Here's the link http://store.yahoo.com/earplugstore/silnatrubear.html

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Old 08-23-2005, 05:47 AM
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the best ear protection is the custom made by your doctor, i think ear protection is essential, once its gone its not coming back so why risk it. i myself do not have the custom fits, but i do have sleeping earplugs tha ti use when playing
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Old 08-23-2005, 06:19 AM
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the best ear protection is the custom made by your doctor, i think ear protection is essential, once its gone its not coming back so why risk it. i myself do not have the custom fits, but i do have sleeping earplugs tha ti use when playing
The problem with just wearing plugs is that they don't protect your ears enough because you hear from just more than your ear canal. Headphones get sweaty and heavy but they're worth it down the road when you listen to your favorite song you can actually hear it.
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Old 08-23-2005, 01:25 PM
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i get earplugs free. My dad works at a factory and gets handfuls of free earplugs. They work great too.
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Old 08-24-2005, 02:57 PM
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i have industry earplugs. and now for practicing with records I bought the vic firth sih1. I hope it isn't damaging for the ears, cuz you have to higher the volume because the drums are too loud!!??
I hope this is true :"where musicians typically crank the volume to very high and potentially damaging sound levels in order to hear the music clearly, the SIH1 reduces ambient noise from the instruments."
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i feel bad with my ear...

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Old 09-11-2005, 05:24 AM
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Really the only way to protect them is to cover or plug them up. So, since I'm in construction and I use very loud saws and other tools I have ear plugs that rap around my head just like headphones. So they stay on really well while playing. You can get those from most hardware stores. If I don't have those on it's because I've got my headphones on playing along to music so they protect my ears from the loud and replace it with the music. :-) Hope this helps.
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Old 09-11-2005, 05:40 AM
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I use ear plugs, it is light and cut just enough decibels so you can still feel the sound of your drums. your ears will stay in good shape.
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Old 09-11-2005, 07:18 AM
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thats what i use...
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Old 09-11-2005, 07:24 AM
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I just use the cheap disposable yellow kind...works for me better then the expensive ones.
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Old 09-11-2005, 08:27 AM
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This is a good thread. Whether you are in the music business or just wast to be able to play music for a long time, YOU HAVE TO PROTECT YOUR EARS! I practice with bands in a small room with 3 Marshall half stacks. Since I'm sitting down playing the drums the 4 12" speakers in all three of the cabinets are pointed right at my ears. Not to mention the loudness of the drums themselves. Earplugs are a necessity in my practice space!
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Old 09-11-2005, 08:32 AM
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I have some nice head phones that i wear even when i dont have music coming through them. They isolate really well.
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Old 09-11-2005, 08:49 AM
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i just use special musicians earplugs that are moulded to the shape of your ear.
they only take out that bad sounds so you can still hear your instrument
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Old 09-14-2005, 06:56 AM
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thats what i use...


where can i buy one?
and, how much is it?
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Old 10-02-2005, 10:32 PM
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Some might find this amusing. When I was in the Navy I was a flight deck director. We wore head protection gear called "Cranials." They protected your head as well as your ears becuase they had these huge Mickey Mouse ear muffs that only allowed you to hear someone talking to you if they were yelling directly into your ear. Try being on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier during flight operations and you will know the meaning of "ear bleeding sound." So.. we had these ear muffs. One day at home...I ran out of ear plugs and wanted to play.....so I used the Mickey Mouse ear muffs. Man....they were amazing. And the funny part about it was....when I was wearing them...they helped to take out ever buzz, ding, attack and slop that my drums were producing. Anytime I wanted to know if my drums were tuned properly...I would wear those things because it really helped. So...in the end....sometimes I would use these huge Mickey Mouse Ears for protection and man....my wife said I looked like a moron wearing those things while I played...hahahaha. I haven't thought about that for years.
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Old 11-05-2005, 02:12 PM
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Man....they were amazing. And the funny part about it was....when I was wearing them...they helped to take out ever buzz, ding, attack and slop that my drums were producing. Anytime I wanted to know if my drums were tuned properly...I would wear those things because it really helped. So...in the end....sometimes I would use these huge Mickey Mouse Ears for protection and man....my wife said I looked like a moron wearing those things while I played...hahahaha. I haven't thought about that for years.

I dont have those type of headphones, but i do have over ear headphones and i did notice when i wore those they did take out a lot of sound and cut out a lot of that over tone and other 'sloppy' noises that come from playing and made my drums sound a lot cleaner
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Old 11-20-2005, 04:30 PM
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My ears are not what the used to be, after years of not taking care of them.

I am not sure if anyone else has thought of this so I'll share.....I used to put on headphones and crank it up so the music would be loud enough to hear the drum patterns, without using any practice pads on the toms(can't stand the feel)

Anyway now I put in some of those walkman phones.....and I went out and bought some shooting range headphones, this allows me to hear the song without having to crank it up so much...they really isolate the drums....the cost $14
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Old 11-25-2005, 04:47 AM
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Can anyone tell me if the Hearo's hi fidelity ear filters and the etymotic ER.20 are the same thing? I went searching around the web after Nutha's advice and a review in the Musicians friend said they were but I didn't know if it was true. Those etymotic ER.20 are hard to find amazon.com and the others I went to are all out of stock. Thanks

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Old 11-25-2005, 04:51 AM
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My ears have started to ring pretty badly after band practices. If I use ear plugs, I can only hear my drumming. Is there any sort of ear protection which allows me to hear what other people in the band are playing?
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Old 11-25-2005, 07:57 AM
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yes read the whole thread...loads of people have recommended various pro earplugs. the more expensive ones allow all frequencies through but at reduced decibles.

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Old 11-25-2005, 07:17 PM
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NJ,
I noticed in one of you pics up on the Swarm website that you use what appears to be the Shure in-ear monitors. What kinda mix do you have coming into those?? Is it a full mix or certain instruments?? I have those as well but I have them run through a little box I have called "MyMonitor" from ART. This allows me to control the monitor volume myself and it also has a microphone pass-thru connection so I can control that as well. As an added bonus those Shure in-ear monitors pretty much reduce all noise by just plugging them in your ears.
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Old 11-25-2005, 08:10 PM
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i rarely use them now because i wasn't happy with the mix. when we get a better system that allows me to put my mix through to my ears then i will use them again.

my best fold back mix would approximately be:
rhythm guitar 25%
bass guitar 10%
vocals 10%
bass drum 25%
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the rest of the kit 20%

i like that little gizmo. soon we are going to upgrade our mixer and then i will beable to design my foldback as above.
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