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Old 08-11-2009, 03:27 PM
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I would tell my mom to stop saying that about me.
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'well i'm a better person than you are'.
I think this is the best comeback because it's obviously so true!
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Old 08-11-2009, 03:29 PM
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I guy named Freebird can't scare me!

Just kiddin' pal of course. And you probably are better.

I think the best answer for the original guy would have been "Excuse me, I have a gig."
Good point, Even if you see a bad drummer onstage he or she is still onstage and you're not so who's the bad drummer LOL

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Old 08-11-2009, 08:40 PM
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I'd rather suck at drums than suck at being a cool and like-able human being.

I would just keep progressing with practice and playing time and leave the haters behind.
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I'd say "Well, you suck at life."
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That's just fuel to feed from. That is the best thing to hear learning to play because it should inspire you to be better. That's exactly what happen to me, although I did not hear those exact words. The laughs alone from 5 other drummers was loud and clear. If it were not for that moment, I don't believe I would be where I am now as a drummer.
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I would definately agree with the guy... "Yeah you're right..." and the reason is because in my mind i do suck... i will always suck.... and if i ever get to a point where i think i don't suck anymore my standards are not high enough.
When i was 12 I thought i sucked. When i was 14 I thought I was awesome. When i was 16 I just said i sucked but still thought i was awesome. When i was 18 I realized that I really did suck and worked my butt off until i thought maybe other people might not think i suck...
Since then I still know I suck... and like i said I will always suck... but at least I know i'm not that arrogant little runt that thought he was so good. And at least I know where the bar is set so I will always be able to improve.

Humility is a virtue not blessed to many musicians... especially guitarists (no offense to any guitarists in our midst).

Everyone here that said music is not a competition is exactly right... the only person you're competing against is yourself. You should always strive to get better because music is one of those things you'll never be able to do absolutely perfectly.
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Old 08-11-2009, 10:09 PM
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This happened to me years ago. A guy asked if I'd heard of a metronome. I went out and bought one and have been only better from this experience.

I find that if you press people you will always get something constructive.

A different time a guy said something along the lines of "I can't listen to you," I asked him to elaborate and I'm a better player from taking his advise.

You can always learn something, even if the teacher is a dick.
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Old 08-11-2009, 10:20 PM
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It depends, I might ask why but probably would finish the discussion with a sarcastic "good for you" or "great!"

When I know I'm more skilled than someone else I generally feel an urge to help by giving advice. It's hard not to come across as a little arrogant at times like these but I generally try to see if he / she is open for criticism. But at least I'm trying to be constructive.
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Hey, Colonel, I just have to say you are an amazing drummer. I listened to your myspace pieces and that's exactly the kind of playing I'm trying to achieve and am trying to do. I'm no where near your level yet, but maybe after a 20 years or so. =) I just love to impro. The more free the better. My own thing isn't so purely coming from jazz but that's really not the point. I just love it when people just let it all go and put their heart in to the music. The genre doesn't matter. It's sad these thing happen rarely outside jazz.

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Old 08-12-2009, 12:43 AM
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I had some snot-nosed dick in junior high and high school tell me that continuously; "I'm a lot better than you are"!

That is the primary reason I got out of drumming and music altogether. Even though I had other drummers encourage me along, and other older musicians give me positive feedback and contructively counsel me, he was this one guy that got to me. I was only 12 and 13 at the time, the youngest in my extended family, and knew nothing of egotism, arrogance, jelously, etc. In short - he was just a real prick.

Years later I ran into him in a bar in the same city we were from and he was still talking trash about other drummers, people we knew, etc. The jerk even was bragging about his new drum kit he bought, yet he was looking for work, trying to get free drinks, etc. By that time I was almost out of college and my mind was elsewhere, so I didn't give him much thought. Drove him nuts! Next time I saw him was years later and he was working in a greezy porno shop as a clerk complaining nobody in music would give him a job.

Some people never change. I only wish I had THIS forum to learn from when I was 12 and 13 years old and needed good advice from other drummers.
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Old 08-12-2009, 12:46 AM
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I got the job and you don't.
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Just thought of a great quote from the movie The Scarlet Pimpernel... Modified a bit here..

"...In my opinion, approval requires perfection. So in that sense, I think you rather overrate your playing..."

Great movie , by the way, if you haven't seen it.. (the one with Jane Seymour)
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Old 08-12-2009, 04:13 AM
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It takes the lowest form of person to walk up to someone and tell them that they suck!
I do it all the time! Just kidding! I only did it once! I was drinking heavily back then and I told a drummer at an open mic night that he played like a Zombie! He really did play like a Zombie! I felt bad the next day, and I never did anything like that again! I felt so bad about what I said, I made it a point to apologize to the drummer the next time that I saw him. We are friends now!
I have also stopped drinking to excess. I guess that I hit the bottom that night! It was all up from there! I was the lowest form of person that night!
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Old 08-12-2009, 05:09 AM
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True story, Bob, though I won't fill in the name.

When I was in grad school, there was famous guitar player taking classes; I didn't know it was him. I hated his band. This kid would ask me how I felt about the band when he walked by and the first time I said, "oh they suck." The second time none the wiser, I asked him why he always asked me that. "oh, I just wanted to know" I learned my lesson, don't ever say that anybody's band sucks, esp since this guy was so cool and now I would love to have had an opportunity to chat with him for ten minutes.

You can always say, "Since this comes from you, I would consider that a compliment." Or maybe you can just realize that one day he'll be saying, I'm such a d*&% for saying that guy sucked.
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Old 08-12-2009, 05:45 AM
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what do i do? well, i throw them off. randomness at it's best. here's some examples:

a buddy of mine on R&R from Iraq walking through the airport, chick walks up to him and starts screaming that he's a 'baby killer' and how he was basically scum of the earth. his response 'hahaha, and you wear tight shirts to expose your cleavage. what? oh, i'm sorry i thought we were playing the obvious game", and walks off. (see, random)

for the drumming scenario, guy tells me i suck at drums, responses 1 through 4:

1. i like clowns
2. i bet you listen to eye of the tiger every morning while flexing in front of a mirror
3. i'm sorry can you speak slower, i'm a little high/drunk/plastered right now.
4. stare at their genitals (they get uncomfortable and leave)


haha, ok but seriously. if said person has some constructive feedback, listen to it and then do what you will with it. if not, screw them. who the hell do they think they are anyways that someone should care what they think. at least thats my train of thought on this.
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Old 08-12-2009, 01:14 PM
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It really depends on how a kick is delivered. "You suck, I'm better nyah nyah" isn't much use, though.

It was over 30 years ago (god, I'm old) that I criticised Chris Slade's drumming on a Manfed Mann's Earth Band number. "He didn't even play one fill!" I complained.

A roadie friend replied icily, "That's because he's a musician".

Thirty years on I remember his words and how he said it as clear as day. A real turning point. Real criticism from someone who "gets it" is a gift. Egotistical BS criticism is attempted theft.
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As Miles Davis said, the difference between a fair musician and a good musician is a good musician is a good musician can play anything he thinks. The difference between a good musician and a great musician is what he thinks.

So even if that guy is a good musician, YOU'RE the great musician, because you had the better judgement to not be confrontational! And just so you know... that guy's not getting any girls that way, by showing off and insulting the nice guy. You know who's going to get them instead? YOU :) I mean girls love drummers to start with... they can keep a tempo, they've got great hands, and they have endurance :P
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Maybe that's why I always see good looking girls with drummers.... It's gotta be in the hands and and our expertise at rhythm......LOL
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Teach the ignorant, don't get down to its level and move on.
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i just wanna see what people would do if someone went up to your face and said "you are a really crappy drummer. i mean, im better than you."

why i post this? cuz it happened to me today, and i didnt know if i should've hit the guy, or tried to talk about it with him.

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Old 08-12-2009, 11:03 PM
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"Thanks for coming to the show and watching me play"

That worked for me a while back, everybody as an opinion, it's not worth getting into an argument.

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Old 08-13-2009, 12:20 AM
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It's not a competition

Therein lies the Key. It's not a public competition and never should be. Why do beginners and some intermediates try to make it one? The only competition should be with yourself continually striving for excellence.
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Therein lies the Key. It's not a public competition and never should be. Why do beginners and some intermediates try to make it one? The only competition should be with yourself continually striving for excellence.
Well stated! We are our own harshest critic. Music shouldn't be like a sports event! Music should be about friendship and understanding.
Competition is drummed into us (excuse the pun) from our earliest age. We compete in School, Sports, and later on at Work. We play music to get a release from this kind of pressure!
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wow, i never thought this thread would take off like this haha.
thanks for all the positive feedback guys :)
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Old 08-13-2009, 08:40 AM
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"Who are you? We must constantly remind ourselves that we are not the essence of other people's opinions. It takes tons of courage to be who you are and not let the rest of the world tell you what that is. No one knows how great you are until you show them."- Rev Run

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i just wanna see what people would do if someone went up to your face and said "you are a really crappy drummer. i mean, im better than you."

why i post this? cuz it happened to me today, and i didnt know if i should've hit the guy, or tried to talk about it with him.
I didn't read the other posts and this may have been said, but first, no matter how hard it is, keep a good attitude. In the long run, it will serve you better then any negative reaction. There's a lot more to being in a band then playing the drums. Besides, you were playing and he\she wasn't, right? Good chance they weren't playing because of the crap that was pulled with you. Don't burn bridges because some idiot insists on burning theirs.

There's a movie out about the early Beatles, and when they replaced Best with Ringo, a lot of people thought Best was the better drummer, but the band was looking for someone that was a better fit to their attitudes and personalities. I wasn't there so I don't know how accurate the depcition was, but I understand it. Everybody has their "fit" and it often has nothing to do with the drumming.
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i just wanna see what people would do if someone went up to your face and said "you are a really crappy drummer. i mean, im better than you."

why i post this? cuz it happened to me today, and i didnt know if i should've hit the guy, or tried to talk about it with him.
Maybe you are crapypy and should accept that with no hard feelings. Self-criticism is necessary to evolve.

If you do play well then you shouldn't be bothered by such remarks.
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Hand them your sticks and say "Let's see what you got."
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Hand them your sticks and say "Let's see what you got."
Hmm, there's an idea. Next time you see a drummer with a really great kit, tell him/her that they suck and that you're much better. Hey Starkey, maybe that guy just wanted a go on your kit? :)
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Hand him your sticks....and go to the bar, get yourself a cocktail. He'll either embarrass himself...or you.....either way you'll be fully prepared.
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i just wanna see what people would do if someone went up to your face and said "you are a really crappy drummer. i mean, im better than you."

why i post this? cuz it happened to me today, and i didnt know if i should've hit the guy, or tried to talk about it with him.
No sense in HITTING him, that certainly won't change his opinion. But one thing to remember, it IS an OPINION. It doesn't mean much except to people who are as opinionated as he is.

It would depend on WHO this cat is who's telling you. If he were Quincy Jones who said it, I'd say you probably DO really SUCK.

However, if it's the guitarist you just pissed off to the point of him firing you from the band, I wouldn't give it another thought. His clout in the music world is NADA, meaningless, so ignore it as much as everyone else will.
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Old 08-15-2009, 04:26 PM
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take all advice with a grain of salt and record yourself! listen away from the gig or rehearsal and be honest with yourself. Get opinions from musicians you respect.
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I was working a Cruise Line job when that happened to me. He was a great drummer from Canada. I asked him why he was saying that, as we had a trio that was packing them in every night. We had three part harmony and the people danced. He asked me to do a simple Single stroke Roll. I could not. I have been playing drums for almost 30 years with some big named people in the Country Field and Oldies Rock Bands. But I could not play one Rudiment. That my new found friends is why I am here. I am taking drum lessons and I must say for an old guy (76) I am having a pretty hard time with my hands, So here I am, Tapping away each morning and evening for 3 ten minute sets to a very slow Met. I guess I had to look in the mirror that day and get to work. So take it slow and use a met. Its gonna work for me and I know it will work for you. Cheers guys and gals and I hope to meet a lot of ya. Curly
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I've never been told to my face that i suck,but i am a harsh critic of my own playing.I was kicked out of a band for being "too heavy",which i kinda took as a compliment considering my fast,loud,sloppy kinda style.Then i sat in with a friends band & belted out a coupla songs on their drummers kit(he was there)then when he played the same songs,i felt like my playing was really bad,he did give me some playing tips which i took on,but still felt like he showed me up(he really is a great player)then when i spoke to the guitarist in my band about this stuff,he made it clear that no one else he'd played with could play our stuff as well as me,my playing style is what makes our music our's.
In the end,you've just gotta be proud of what u do.No matter what other ppl say.Remember,there's a lot of ppl out there that wish they could play,& at least ur enjoying ur self while ur doing it,wheather they like it or not.
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I was working a Cruise Line job when that happened to me. He was a great drummer from Canada. I asked him why he was saying that, as we had a trio that was packing them in every night. We had three part harmony and the people danced. He asked me to do a simple Single stroke Roll. I could not. I have been playing drums for almost 30 years with some big named people in the Country Field and Oldies Rock Bands. But I could not play one Rudiment. That my new found friends is why I am here. I am taking drum lessons and I must say for an old guy (76) I am having a pretty hard time with my hands, So here I am, Tapping away each morning and evening for 3 ten minute sets to a very slow Met.
Curly, if you're already packing them in you must be doing something right, whether you can play rudiments or not. You would be playing many single stroke rolls every time you play so I'm a bit confused as to why you say you can't play them. Double paradiddlyflamatacues with half pike, backflip and a touch of Tabasco, sure, but singles are something we all do whether we think of it or not. Do you mean at a certain speed?

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there is always going to be someone better, thats life. But more importantly there is always going to be insecure jerks that have to bring other people down to make themselves feel better.

There are far better drummers then me out there, heck you may be better then me but I am still gigging every week and recording with multiple projects, my point is who the heck cares?

Let it go, and keep going, do the best you can and have fun.
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Curly, if you're already packing them in you must be doing something right, whether you can play rudiments or not. You would be playing many single stroke rolls every time you play so I'm a bit confused as to why you say you can't play them. Double paradiddlyflamatacues with half pike, backflip and a touch of Tabasco, sure, but singles are something we all do whether we think of it or not. Do you mean at a certain speed?

Of course, if you're enjoying practising rudiments more power to you.
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Hey Pollyanna........ tnx for the good Cudos mate. First off, I am a singer and can stand with any one on that. I have four octives and a falseetto that scares me some time. I can hit High F in my natural voice I can still do all of Orbisons songs in the same key. Cara Mia by Jay and the Americans, All of Gary Pucketts songs. (just bragging a little here) I was hired to keep the beat and sing lead and Harmony. Thats what I do. I have never taken a Solo or made a run around my Kit. My SS rolls are no more than a beginner can do. My right foot is solid and have some good kicks and Off beat stuff. My goal in all this is to have a great time chatting with new drummers, and eventually Do ONE solo no matter if its Wipe Out. Ha ha I find it a pleasure reading about the kids just starting and some of the questions and listening to the Pros and just setting back in wonder and awe. Maybe some day we can meet and share a tom tom. Cheers mate. Curly
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i just wanna see what people would do if someone went up to your face and said "you are a really crappy drummer. i mean, im better than you."

why i post this? cuz it happened to me today, and i didnt know if i should've hit the guy, or tried to talk about it with him.
I did a quick inventory and was honest with myself. Then I practiced my butt off to get where I am today; and I still need to practice my butt off! The question now is, "Where is that guy who said I sucked?" Oh, yeah, he quit drumming a long time ago!


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I remember once at school, i had only been teaching myself to play for a year and a half and i was a quick learner (or so i thought) and the day that the new year 9s came in brought 2 excellent drummers. I shared a practice room with one of them and he showed me his playing and he was awesome and i said let me have a go. I played my favourite groove at the time and i saw him looking at his mate and laughing and smirking about it. Well 5 years later and i play a gig in my band and he showed up to watch. I finished the set and he came over, shook my hand and complimented my playing (something he has never done), this from a lad who can play stuff by Sikth and Divine Heresy etc and i can't. You don't need to be a fantastic technical player to be a great drummer, if you feel the music and you role with it, that's where the respect comes in. Enjoy yourself and whether or not someone is better than you, you have your own style and it's something they can never have, that should be all of the reassurance that you need.
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