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Old 12-27-2010, 10:30 AM
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Any tips/advice? Seems fairly hard to do without triggers. The guitar style is incredibly rhythmic as well, which adds a new dimension, something drummers don't usually worry about is messing with the string melody/harmony, well now the guitars are treading on our turf.
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What is Djent?
I feel like it's something i'm familiar with, just not the term.
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Old 12-27-2010, 08:18 PM
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It is a particular style of heavy music in its early stages. Think Meshuggah and you wouldn't be far off.

Medium - High gain guitars, staccato playing on low strings, lots of palm muting, often with jazzy passages.

Periphery have kind of popularised the sound recently, Xerath are an English band that do it to an extent.
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Any tips/advice? Seems fairly hard to do without triggers. The guitar style is incredibly rhythmic as well, which adds a new dimension, something drummers don't usually worry about is messing with the string melody/harmony, well now the guitars are treading on our turf.
You have to approach it completely differently, in my opinion, than any other genre. You need to become proficient at comping the rhythm the guitar plays with the kick drum, and then establish a pulse over top of it. This often involves playing multiple time signatures against yourself. Also, the concept of displacement of the downbeat is important. Here's a couple djent tunes that I've done drum tracks for:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn6IBOlBzEc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFSSgPqEkvI

You can find all the elements I talked about in those, comping of the guitar part by the bass drum, a pulse overriding the rest of the rhythm and taking a couple measures to re-connect, and 8th note and 16th note displacement on the snare. There's obviously many other aspects, but those are the most notable concepts that I would advise you to develop.
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I've never heard this term before.

It appears you take the industrial-metal vibe of bands like Korn and and mix it with prog. (?)
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Check out Matt Halpern. He's the man.
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I've never heard this term before.

It appears you take the industrial-metal vibe of bands like Korn and and mix it with prog. (?)
Thats a pretty good approximation! A lot of syncopations and odd time signatures, with down tuned guitars and lots of palm muted chugging. Its super fun to play, nothing else is quite like it!
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Cool videos man and a cool analysis. You're right, it is tons of fun to play, not crazy fast, but technical in the way it is so mathematical.

The conclusion I've drawn listening to it is that it's mostly about a 4/4 drum beat somewhere, while your other limbs/guitars play separate rhythms, syncopating at times. It's completely poly-rhythmic and making it work is what I'm currently trying to wrap my head around.

One way I've heard it described is write a regular looking track and delete random notes. The concept of a pulse is something I'm very familiar with, it is the core of free jazz.

I might try syncopating the guitar with the kick at first, it would add to the heavy feel of the low strings and if I land up writing the guitar rhythm would give me one less thing to worry about.


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You have to approach it completely differently, in my opinion, than any other genre. You need to become proficient at comping the rhythm the guitar plays with the kick drum, and then establish a pulse over top of it. This often involves playing multiple time signatures against yourself. Also, the concept of displacement of the downbeat is important. Here's a couple djent tunes that I've done drum tracks for:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn6IBOlBzEc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFSSgPqEkvI

You can find all the elements I talked about in those, comping of the guitar part by the bass drum, a pulse overriding the rest of the rhythm and taking a couple measures to re-connect, and 8th note and 16th note displacement on the snare. There's obviously many other aspects, but those are the most notable concepts that I would advise you to develop.
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Check out Matt Halpern. He's the man.
He is very good but I take offence when I hear that Misha Mansoor created Meshuggah's sound based purely on the fact that the sceamo-esque cleans made them more accessible to commercial metal audiences.
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Cool videos man and a cool analysis. You're right, it is tons of fun to play, not crazy fast, but technical in the way it is so mathematical.

The conclusion I've drawn listening to it is that it's mostly about a 4/4 drum beat somewhere, while your other limbs/guitars play separate rhythms, syncopating at times. It's completely poly-rhythmic and making it work is what I'm currently trying to wrap my head around.

One way I've heard it described is write a regular looking track and delete random notes. The concept of a pulse is something I'm very familiar with, it is the core of free jazz.

I might try syncopating the guitar with the kick at first, it would add to the heavy feel of the low strings and if I land up writing the guitar rhythm would give me one less thing to worry about.
Yeah, that polyrhythmic feel is very difficult at times. You have to achieve complete independence with your feet and hands, being able to play separate and even opposing rhythms with them at the same time. Honestly, it just takes practice, like anything else. It also takes a lot of listening. Its getting easier and easier for me to get new patterns down, and I'm beginning to reach the point where it feels comfortable, which is something I almost expected would never happen. So I would say to just keep working at it, and it will happen. Watch Tomas Haake for inspiration, haha. Actually, I took a lot from Gavin Harrison too, his grooves are so tasty, and he puts a pulse over odd time signatures all the time. I use stuff I learned from him CONSTANTLY, haha.
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Yeah, that polyrhythmic feel is very difficult at times. You have to achieve complete independence with your feet and hands, being able to play separate and even opposing rhythms with them at the same time. Honestly, it just takes practice, like anything else. It also takes a lot of listening. Its getting easier and easier for me to get new patterns down, and I'm beginning to reach the point where it feels comfortable, which is something I almost expected would never happen. So I would say to just keep working at it, and it will happen. Watch Tomas Haake for inspiration, haha. Actually, I took a lot from Gavin Harrison too, his grooves are so tasty, and he puts a pulse over odd time signatures all the time. I use stuff I learned from him CONSTANTLY, haha.
I'm pretty good when it comes to wrapping my head around poly-rhythms, I just get them in that I'm able to listen to something and replicate it and I feel that I'm creative enough to kind of invent beats on the spot, that's dredging up some old jazz improv days. I'd rather play a beat in odd time signatures, or multiple time signatures, then be asked to do high speed single stroke rolls/blasts/fills.

By biggest issue at the moment is that because it isn't a fully established style and everyone has their own ideas about what it means, writing it is proving to be quite a pain. The guitarist I'm working with is pretty good but doesn't know how to write drums other then digital backing tracks and the bassist has no clue. I want it to sound original but I am definitely trying to capture that mathy feel of the sub-genre, it's proving quite a challenge. A friend of mine is actually in the process of working on a poppy variant with only female cleans. I guess that is one thing I'll have to work out without advice, not looking for someone to help write the music.

Kind of need stylistic pointers, the summary you gave Luke and the first video in particular were really helpful.
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