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Old 04-18-2015, 10:54 PM
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Not referring to fear about performing, but fear for my drums! I'm bringing my Purewood Mahogany kit out for a gig tonight. Their first gig ever. I bought them way back in 2006 and so far they have never seen a stage. Which is a dirty shame on my part and really kinda stupid, because they sound amazing. But they are so gorgeous and I SO dreaded getting that first nick on them, that instead I've bought and used three other kits for gigs instead.

Well, I'm drawing a line in the sand, right here and now. My band is doing a pretty cool gig tonight at a nice club with a great sound system. It's about time I turned these babies loose to see what they can do.

Please wish me luck, say a little prayer, keep me in your thoughts. Hopefully we come home early tomorrow morning unscathed!
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Old 04-19-2015, 12:40 AM
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Best of luck! And that is a gorgeous kit!! No wonder you've been so protective. :-)
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criz:

A few months ago I would not have thought too much about this thread and your feelings about this.

But I just acquired a new drum kit, my first, and now I know exactly how you feel. Might be a long time before I take my new kit out for a gig.


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hey Critter-

Let me ask you something: When your wife gets her first crows' feet, and her lips begin to thin, and she gains a few pounds, will you love her less? Of course not. Well, you know how much much more important a drum set is than a wife, right? So you may come home with her having been touched by other men, one or two might even play with her, but in the end she's still the same drum set you fell in love with at first sight. You'll be resentful at first, but soon the pain will subside. It's time, right now, to renew those holy man/drum vows. Then suck it up and be a man. Your marriage will last no matter how many beatings you give her. Now hold her, squeeze her like you'll never let go. Love is a manu splendored thing.

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Old 04-19-2015, 01:11 AM
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.............. hold her, squeeze her like you'll never let go. Love is a manu splendored thing.
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Words of wisdom? Or fan mail from some flounder? I think you are correct, sir. That's the conclusion I have come to, that is letting me do this tonight. If I don't do it, I'm depriving myself of the pleasure of really experiencing this kit. I always experience a kind of feedback loop with my drums. When they are sounding great it totally energizes my playing. So tonight should be a great night.

Of course, I'm still not going to take them out to the dive bar sort of gigs....
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Old 04-19-2015, 02:07 AM
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Honestly, if I had your kit, I would be hesitant also. Such a beautiful finish. This is why I decided to go with a wrap finish. There not as pretty as wood finishes, but they're still good looking and quite durable. I've brought them to numerous gigs and they still look great. It also helps to have good Protection Racket bags.
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Funny I just broke my Live Oak Customs cherry at a gig this afternoon. No damage YET. I expect by the end of the Summer they will have a few road scars. Bought them to beat them :-)
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Funny I just broke my Live Oak Customs cherry at a gig this afternoon. No damage YET. I expect by the end of the Summer they will have a few road scars. Bought them to beat them :-)
How did they sound?

How well did they project?


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If I don't do it, I'm depriving myself of the pleasure of really experiencing this kit.
Indeed sir.

They were designed to be hit and heard. Not for sitting on a shelf in the fine china cabinet.

Get 'em out and enjoy 'em.
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Indeed sir.

They were designed to be hit and heard. Not for sitting on a shelf in the fine china cabinet.

Get 'em out and enjoy 'em.
My thoughts exactly. I understand the desire to keep something in good condition, but ultimately, drums are designed to be played. Obviously, context is everything. If you have more than one kit, don't take the best one to the worst gig.

If you buy drums because they sound good, then use them when you want to sound your best. If you buy drums primarily because they look good, then keep them at home & pamper them.
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Old 04-19-2015, 11:23 AM
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They are drums, there purpose in life is to be played, what is the point of spending money on a kit you love the sound of if you dont gig it?

If you bought it just cos you love the way it looks, then keep it in the living room and just look at it.

I just bought a new and very expensive ride cymbal and it looks and sounds fantastic. Should I keep it in a display case, as playing it will make it dirty and any strike with a stick might just crack it?
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I merely cite the example of Willie Nelson's beat up guitar, SRV's beat up Strat, and others. You are seriously the only person that any nicks would bother. There's always magic marker. I gigged a lacquer set of DW's, caseless for a few years. It got nicks. I magic markered them, but you can't tell unless you are right on top of it looking for imperfections.

It's just stuff. It's not like a person.
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Looking forward to hearing how the gig panned out, Criz. How'd it go?

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Old 04-20-2015, 02:39 AM
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I bought my drums to play them.

My drums have been on a wide variety of gigs, and not always in the most ideal situations. But I also bought really nice cases for them and took lots of precautions.

There is still only one small scratch them on, and that is not from a gig.
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Well, everything worked out perfectly. Drums sounded awesome, like I knew they would, and I got nothing but comments from band and audience members on the look and sound. I did have one thing happen that freaked me out. As I was taking the kick out of my car, I accidentally closed one of the rear doors and whacked its sharp bottom corner into the top of the kick. Fortunately I have very good soft cases, and the kick was not harmed at all.

So now the worst is over. I feel comfortable with gigging my Gretsch and can't wait to do it again. If and when the nicks come, I'll deal with it. Of course, like KIS said, I won't be taking it places like crap clubs or outdoor gigs. I've got an old Remo kit for those gigs.

Here's a crappy iPhone pic of them onstage last night.
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I merely cite the example of Willie Nelson's beat up guitar, SRV's beat up Strat, and others. You are seriously the only person that any nicks would bother. There's always magic marker. I gigged a lacquer set of DW's, caseless for a few years. It got nicks. I magic markered them, but you can't tell unless you are right on top of it looking for imperfections.

It's just stuff. It's not like a person.
I completely agree. It just took me about 8 years to figure that out.
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I completely agree. It just took me about 8 years to figure that out.
You should also tell some of us when your gigs are.

I mean, it's not there other Southern California residents on here or anything.
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Old 04-20-2015, 06:52 AM
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You should also tell some of us when your gigs are. I mean, it's not there other Southern California residents on here or anything.
Thanks for the interest! Next gig isn't until May 20, at Joxer Daly's in Culver City. There's a link to our website in my signature, that has all the info.
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Not referring to fear about performing, but fear for my drums! I'm bringing my Purewood Mahogany kit out for a gig tonight. Their first gig ever. I bought them way back in 2006 and so far they have never seen a stage. Which is a dirty shame on my part and really kinda stupid, because they sound amazing. But they are so gorgeous and I SO dreaded getting that first nick on them, that instead I've bought and used three other kits for gigs instead.
I'm glad to hear it worked out.

To put you even more at-ease.... You can buy clear nitrocellulose based fingernail polish at the dollar store. With a minimal amount of practice, you no longer have to worry about little nicks and dings, and can now focus on worrying about real issues like theft and fire.
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Glad to see it worked out for you! But yeah, as beautiful as they are, they deserve to be played out. Everywhere.

I was never happy with using a sub-standard intermediate kit for a gig - I hated it so much that both of my working kits are high-end monsters. And like Larry, I just use them. It's much more important to me to sound great and feel comfortable than it is to worry about possible damage to the instrument. Some of you freaked out when I announced I was throwing my Reference Pure kit in the back of my open bed truck with no cases.
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I was never happy with using a sub-standard intermediate kit for a gig
That is so a 180 degree turnaround (that I happen to agree with ;)
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That is so a 180 degree turnaround (that I happen to agree with ;)
True - it's taken me a while to get to this point, but what really pushed me to that side was the down-tuning of the drums. It really is true about the tuning range of higher-end instruments. If I stay medium to high, cheaper kits have no problem with this. But the low to mid is crucial. My Ludwigs hold the low tuning, and the fundamental pitch is just so sweet when you go with the lower bendable pitch. The Reference Pures are even moreso because of the addition of the flatter bearing edges and the African mahogany on the bigger drums.

I blame listening to the Eagles ;)
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True - it's taken me a while to get to this point, but what really pushed me to that side was the down-tuning of the drums. It really is true about the tuning range of higher-end instruments. If I stay medium to high, cheaper kits have no problem with this. But the low to mid is crucial. My Ludwigs hold the low tuning, and the fundamental pitch is just so sweet when you go with the lower bendable pitch. The Reference Pures are even moreso because of the addition of the flatter bearing edges and the African mahogany on the bigger drums.

I blame listening to the Eagles ;)
Although I'm mildly pulling your string, I happen to completely agree. I think (within reason) it's incumbent on us as performers to put our best foot forward, & if we're lucky enough to have an instrument that's more capable of achieving a good result, it should be used.

Ok, I'm in a fairly unique position, but I have no issue taking even the most recording focussed drums on a gig if they offer something I want. The very worst of gigs (drug dens / fighting bars, etc) I won't do anyhow, so that's not an issue. As all of our drums are natural finish, should any cosmetic damage occur, they're really simple to repair anyhow.
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"......As all of our drums are natural finish, should any cosmetic damage occur, they're really simple to repair anyhow.
So says the guy connected to the shop ;)
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So says the guy connected to the shop ;)
If you can use sandpaper, put some cotton wool in a piece of cotton to make a rubber, lightly apply a few layers of shellac to the affected area, then apply some wax & buff to finish = it's easy. Most people with reasonable hand skills can make a good job of it, & certainly way easier than performing a significant repair on a modern gloss finish, or even a wrap.
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Well, everything worked out perfectly.


So happy to hear that it worked out for you. May I make one suggestion? That kit would really stand out with a white coated or Renaissance head on the bass drum - with the Gretsch logo, of course. A classic-looking drum set like that deserves a classy looking bass drum head! That's what i think, anyway.

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To put you even more at-ease.... You can buy clear nitrocellulose based fingernail polish at the dollar store. With a minimal amount of practice, you no longer have to worry about little nicks and dings, and can now focus on worrying about real issues like theft and fire.
Good tip, thanks... Oh and thanks for reminding me about EVERYTHING ELSE I need to worry about!
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I was never happy with using a sub-standard intermediate kit for a gig - I hated it so much that both of my working kits are high-end monsters. And like Larry, I just use them. It's much more important to me to sound great and feel comfortable than it is to worry about possible damage to the instrument. Some of you freaked out when I announced I was throwing my Reference Pure kit in the back of my open bed truck with no cases.
Good point. In my case, my gigging kits aren't sub-standard. One is a 3-ply 70s Ludwig, and the other a Remo Acousticon, which is a great sounding kit. But the Purewood is such a monster that it really leaves them both in the dust. Now that I've actually played it out I can't wait until the next time. However, I'm still going to exercise caution on keeping them as nice as I can. No throwing them in the back of pickups for me!
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True - it's taken me a while to get to this point, but what really pushed me to that side was the down-tuning of the drums. It really is true about the tuning range of higher-end instruments. If I stay medium to high, cheaper kits have no problem with this. But the low to mid is crucial. My Ludwigs hold the low tuning, and the fundamental pitch is just so sweet when you go with the lower bendable pitch. The Reference Pures are even moreso because of the addition of the flatter bearing edges and the African mahogany on the bigger drums.

I blame listening to the Eagles ;)
I too love to keep my drums tuned as low as they will go. And here again the Purewood totally shines (literally as well as figuratively) because of the African Mahogany. My 3-ply Ludwigs can't go as low or hold the tuning as well.

I don't know where I picked up my preference for the low tuning, but it sure as hell wasn't the Eagles! No offense...
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So happy to hear that it worked out for you. May I make one suggestion? That kit would really stand out with a white coated or Renaissance head on the bass drum - with the Gretsch logo, of course. A classic-looking drum set like that deserves a classy looking bass drum head! That's what i think, anyway.

GeeDeeEmm
I agree. The kit came with the black, and I think it suits it, but I'm going to try new heads for the next time: white coated Ambassador reso and a Powerstroke 3 to replace the EMAD it came with. That should really open it up.
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If you can use sandpaper, put some cotton wool in a piece of cotton to make a rubber, lightly apply a few layers of shellac to the affected area, then apply some wax & buff to finish = it's easy. Most people with reasonable hand skills can make a good job of it, & certainly way easier than performing a significant repair on a modern gloss finish, or even a wrap.
Andy,

Do you have a quick way of determining whether a gloss finish is nitro, poly/shellac, or catalized acrylic? The only way I have is from my luthier days where you use a cotton swab and some acetone. If it dissolves the finish, it's nitro. If it clouds, it's poly. If it does nothing, it's acrylic. The "smell" test only works on brand new instruments.
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