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Old 02-16-2012, 05:00 AM
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Of course a good number of people hate extreme metal so obviously this topic is not for you. To me it seems like death metal has stagnated to the point where it has become extremely predictable and extremely boring, at least for the most part. Playing at hyperspeed has been done, and if that's all a band is trying to use as a musical weapon they are missing the point of creating music in the first place. Though a lot of people really like Origin, to me it's just a monotonous, technical gymnastics event. Given death metal has been around at least 25 years, it seems that for the most part it has run its course. Like most styles, there have been innovators and clones that came later when the style got more popular. It seems like clones are the norm this day, even if they are trying to do their own thing and are not consciously trying to copy others. Blasting, gutteral vocals, gore/horror lyrics, have been done to death, almost becoming a parody more than a musical style.

It's interesting that the proclaimed (by fans) godfather of death metal, Chuck Schuldiner, got over the whole old school death metal rather quickly and evolved into something that has garnered praise by musicians from all over the metal world, yet this whole idea of evolving seems to have taken root with a handful of bands, but most are still playing catch up. There have been some hybrid type death metal, whether it's with black metal elements, melodic elements (Iron Maiden, etc.), industrial elements, but they too have become stagnant.

I'm just curious what direction death metal is going to take, or if it has hit a wall and is not going any further.

I'm a pessimist in general, so maybe my outlook is a little bleak. What do you guys think?
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Old 02-16-2012, 08:25 AM
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Umm, I've been to like 10 proper death metal gigs since the beginning of the year, and that's only the ones I could attend. In london/EU it is alive and kicking. I was with Krisiun last night.
If you're talking about the quality of the music, well that's not my judgement to make. I think it's fine.
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Old 02-16-2012, 11:35 AM
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I think the pessimist in you has moved on. As long as there are still people playing it, it isn't dead.
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Old 02-16-2012, 11:36 AM
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Umm, I've been to like 10 proper death metal gigs since the beginning of the year, and that's only the ones I could attend. In london/EU it is alive and kicking. I was with Krisiun last night.
If you're talking about the quality of the music, well that's not my judgement to make. I think it's fine.
I agree, DM definitely isn't dead. Plenty of good new bands out there, and some of the old ones are churning out great stuff. It doesn't have to be super-inventive.

(Missed the Krisiun/Vital Remains gig last night *sniff* - but heard it kicked ass!)
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I think it's always difficult to imagine the direction music is going to take, because we do not have crystal balls that can see into the future of music. You've just got to keep writing, keep being inspired and let the music take you in new directions. Or some shit like that anyway.
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Old 02-16-2012, 05:57 PM
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Not in the Albany NY area its not. Its almost the preferred music at my local metal venues nowadays. Just had Suffocation here, Lock Up, Immolation, Dying Fetus is coming soon. Goatwhore was here with Lock Up. I guess it just depends on the person, and maybe the region where you are located.
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Old 02-16-2012, 06:19 PM
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death metal is alive and well, even in the bible belt where i spend most of my time.... there are bands who are still creating new and interesting music...Mitochondrion, Ulcerate, Antigama to name a few bands off the top of my head...and will even shoot out my own band Lecherous Nocturne. we've recently toured with Cannibal Corpse, Immolation, Vader, and are about to hit the road with Deicide next month...new record out soon as well.

imo, song structure is the where the innovation in death metal is going to be. Much room to grow there...
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Of course a good number of people hate extreme metal so obviously this topic is not for you. To me it seems like death metal has stagnated to the point where it has become extremely predictable and extremely boring, at least for the most part. Playing at hyperspeed has been done, and if that's all a band is trying to use as a musical weapon they are missing the point of creating music in the first place. Though a lot of people really like Origin, to me it's just a monotonous, technical gymnastics event. Given death metal has been around at least 25 years, it seems that for the most part it has run its course. Like most styles, there have been innovators and clones that came later when the style got more popular. It seems like clones are the norm this day, even if they are trying to do their own thing and are not consciously trying to copy others. Blasting, gutteral vocals, gore/horror lyrics, have been done to death, almost becoming a parody more than a musical style.

It's interesting that the proclaimed (by fans) godfather of death metal, Chuck Schuldiner, got over the whole old school death metal rather quickly and evolved into something that has garnered praise by musicians from all over the metal world, yet this whole idea of evolving seems to have taken root with a handful of bands, but most are still playing catch up. There have been some hybrid type death metal, whether it's with black metal elements, melodic elements (Iron Maiden, etc.), industrial elements, but they too have become stagnant.

I'm just curious what direction death metal is going to take, or if it has hit a wall and is not going any further.

I'm a pessimist in general, so maybe my outlook is a little bleak. What do you guys think?
Immolation has released amazing albus lately. Let's not talk about the latest Morbid album , not my cup of tea.
I heard "Revocation," reccomended by a drummer friend of mine. Interesting take on metal in general. Behemoth put some stuff out that is pretty cool, although for any extremem metal I prefer Emperor for anything. Even though they were Black Metal.

Krisiun is cool.

Nile is still going strong, the last few Cannibal records have been not so great to me.
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Old 02-21-2012, 10:35 PM
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Also I thinkt hat Gojira is doing some things in Europe. I am not really a fan but they keep DM alive.

Personally I listen to a lot of jazz lately, learning saxophone.

"Failures for gods" by Immolation is amazing live.

There are also good offerings by Death metal influenced Bands.

"Ishan" Album is called "After." Yes it is the singer of Emperor, but it is very good EXTREME metal. It has influences of Death Metal. Similar to how OPETH use them, but not as pschedelic.

Check out "Lakes on Mars," "Barren" and really anything off the album.

Deicide still puts out albums, although nothing beats "Legion."

Suffocation just put out a new albunm i wanna say last year.
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death metal is alive and well, even in the bible belt where i spend most of my time.... there are bands who are still creating new and interesting music...Mitochondrion, Ulcerate, Antigama to name a few bands off the top of my head...and will even shoot out my own band Lecherous Nocturne. we've recently toured with Cannibal Corpse, Immolation, Vader, and are about to hit the road with Deicide next month...new record out soon as well.

imo, song structure is the where the innovation in death metal is going to be. Much room to grow there...

You guys have a bandcamp or something?

Congrats! I love Immolation! Alex Webster is agreat bass player...
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There are more people who want to play metal, than listen to it. It's the single-most discussed genre on this board, but has the least popularity. What's up with that?

Metal isn't dead; it's just being classified out of existence. I swear, the next time I fart, four sub-genres are going to come out.
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:18 PM
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There are more people who want to play metal, than listen to it. It's the single-most discussed genre on this board, but has the least popularity. What's up with that?
Hmm... Maybe some people don't care for statistics but simply decide to go for what brings them most fun or what they feel it's what they wanna do. If I cared for statistics I'd have to do dancefloor, country or whatever - no thanks.

I guess metal (drumming) is also intriguing to many (me included) because it comes across as 'energetic' and/or 'raw', and also the bpm values are impressive (they are, aren't they? - but impressive skills can be found (in heaps) in funk, jazz, fusion etc drumming also).

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you like to bring up a similar view regarding the use of double pedals. I see some parallel here to why I took up playing the electric guitar and why doing this, I focused on solo techniques quite early. While solo stuff makes maybe 2 % of what you're actually playing, to ACHIEVE playing those 2 % at a "good" level requires maybe 70 % of your practice time. In retrospective I'm so damn happy to have invested all that time because if I want to play a decent solo then I can do it, no need to ask someone to do it for me.

Plus, allow everybody to mature - both musically and as a person. Some people stick to the same music all their life, some evolve or 'open up' stylistically. But don't judge metalheads as 'limited'. Some are, some aren't. I think there are enough e.g. 'limited' jazz fans out there ('limited' meaning narrow minded and looking down on some genres). Just be fair. No need to talk down stuff which you don't like. If you don't like it - avoid it, avoid spending your time/energy/forum activity on it. Simple.

And as for 'metal genre diversity': We already had some discussion on DRUMMERWORLD. Please be aware that often (most?) times the bands themselves (and the majority of their fans) don't really care for labeling their style but simply are doing what they do/like. It's the recording companies/labels/magazines/promotion people who obviously see some sense/need to come up with those designations, hoping for more business. Just stay fair.
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There are more people who want to play metal, than listen to it. It's the single-most discussed genre on this board, but has the least popularity. What's up with that?

Metal isn't dead; it's just being classified out of existence. I swear, the next time I fart, four sub-genres are going to come out.
It is interesting the large amount of metal listeners who also play an instrument. It is a bit like George Formby fans who play the uke or something.
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Death metal is far from dead.

Though on the fast, heavy, guttural vocal side, I like what the band Condemned has done on their newer album Realms of the Ungodly. One of the better on the brutal death side, with a touch of slam death.

If you haven't heard of them, Sybreed has done well with a mix of Industrial and Death metal.

Also Psycroptic has put out an awesome album recently. They may be tech death, but they aren't ridiculous like Origin or Brain Drill or something.

I'm more of a black metal guy. Now THAT is pretty stagnant in some branches xD
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And as for 'metal genre diversity': We already had some discussion on DRUMMERWORLD. Please be aware that often (most?) times the bands themselves (and the majority of their fans) don't really care for labeling their style but simply are doing what they do/like. It's the recording companies/labels/magazines/promotion people who obviously see some sense/need to come up with those designations, hoping for more business. Just stay fair.
Very well put. My band, for instance, has been dubbed "War Metal" because we fuse genres of harcore metal, hardcore punk, death metal, and yes...even have a quick little jazz breakdown. But what gets me, is peeking out from behind my kit during a show, and seeing people dancing, moving around, bobbing their heads, and when we end a song, listening to them applaud and cheer. Thats what it should be about. No scenester stupid kids, no subgenres. Just play metal, man. Who cares what its called. As long as you and youre fans enjoy it, thats what counts.
Death metal isnt dead, its just being covered up by different sub genres. Deathcore, Grindcore, Porncore....why?
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Quite simply because you are not correct that is it least popular.

Total US total album sales by hard rock/metal bands
http://www.theaceblackblog.com/2010/...avy-metal.html
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1. Led Zeppelin: 88 Million
2. AC/DC: 62 Million
3. Metallica: 54 Million
4. Van Halen: 50 Million
5=. Aerosmith: 39 Million
5=. Guns N' Roses: 39 Million
7. Bon Jovi: 29 Million
8. Def Leppard: 28 Million
9. Ozzy Osbourne: 21 Million
10. Motley Crue: 19 Million
If you look at the RIAA webs tie for best selling albums of all times:
http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinum....top-100-albums
AC/DC Back in Black is 6th all time
Metallica's Black album is 23rd all time.

On an international level, of course, this much bigger, depending on the band.

Nielsen SoundScan shows that for 2011, Metal outsold rap, and is the 5th leading genre
http://www.statista.com/statistics/1...by-genre-2010/



Here some solder stats showing that from 2006-2009, all music sales declined.
Metal only declined some. Country declines the most. R&B and Rap had significant declines in sales, putting them behind metal.
http://www.statcrunch.com/5.0/viewre...p?resid=814261


And granted, this all just USA sales figures. Most metal acts have significant international followings. Metal is much bigger in Europe overall than in the USA.

For example, Metallica s credited with 54 million albums in total US sales, but over 100 million internationally. Rush is credited with 15 million US, and 40 million internationally. Iron Maiden US sales lag behind other metal bands, but internationally they have some 85 million albums sold, and are one of the few bands that can fill an arena is any part of the globe.
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http://www.theaceblackblog.com/2010/...avy-metal.html
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As someone who is not into what I would consider Death Metal scene at all, I have to wonder about some of the bands in this list. I mean can bands like Bon Jovi, Def Leppard and Van Halen really even be considered Hard Rock or Metal? Dont' get me wrong, I like each of them but I would never put any of those bands, and several of the others on the list, into either of those categories.

I'm not trying to be contrary here Drum, but seriously am asking the question, where does pop music end and Hard rock or metal begin? I guess, like everything else, there is no black and white but there is just no way, in my mind at least, that these bands represent Metal in any form or fashion.

Just my own observation...
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As someone who is not into what I would consider Death Metal scene at all, I have to wonder about some of the bands in this list. I mean can bands like Bon Jovi, Def Leppard and Van Halen really even be considered Hard Rock or Metal? Dont' get me wrong, I like each of them but I would never put any of those bands, and several of the others on the list, into either of those categories.

I'm not trying to be contrary here Drum, but seriously am asking the question, where does pop music end and Hard rock or metal begin? I guess, like everything else, there is no black and white but there is just no way, in my mind at least, that these bands represent Metal in any form or fashion.

Just my own observation...
I wouldn't consider Jovi or Van Halen metal. I just didn't deleted them off the copy and paste list. And clearly none of the bands have anything to do with Death metal. But that wasn't the point. It's just part of a presentation of facts that metal as a whole sells far better than our friend DMC thinks it does.

In terms of genres discussed on this board, jazz as a whole sells far, far far less than metal as a whole. But no one would dare say we shouldn't discuss jazz. We'd miss Steamer if we did that! (and speaking of, he seems to have disappeared again...)
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Metal isn't dead; it's just being classified out of existence. I swear, the next time I fart, four sub-genres are going to come out.
Not sure it's dead and not sure there are more players than listeners. But I'm completely convinced that each band gets its own sub-genre.

War metal? Porncore? Brutal death? Slam death? Someone's pulling the piss now. The running gag has spread and now everyone's on board. As much as I get a giggle out of it, it does border on the absurd.

FWIW, I think "warcore" has a far better ring to it.......I'm off to start a new genre.
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No, Death Metal is alive! Tom Araya, Glen Benton are still growling and King Diamond is screaming for vengeance!
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Ian I'd hardly call Slayer and King Diamond Death Metal...
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Really, yes its really not appealing to many people at all, just my opinion.
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Not sure it's dead and not sure there are more players than listeners. But I'm completely convinced that each band gets its own sub-genre.

War metal? Porncore? Brutal death? Slam death? Someone's pulling the piss now. The running gag has spread and now everyone's on board. As much as I get a giggle out of it, it does border on the absurd.

FWIW, I think "warcore" has a far better ring to it.......I'm off to start a new genre.
All the silly sub-genres really reinforce the goofiness of metal. It is the goofiest genre of music out there, moreso than childrens' TV music, because the harder core the metal fan, the more seriously they take it. Spinal Tap made a statement on the goofiness of metal that still cannot be improved upon.

About the only sub-genre of metal that doesn't take itself seriously is Butt Rock. Unless there's Vikingcore Black Doom Foul Odor Butt Rock. You can tell someone take metal too seriously when they start excluding Butt Rock and other established genres from the metal family tree.
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All the silly sub-genres really reinforce the goofiness of metal. It is the goofiest genre of music out there, moreso than childrens' TV music, because the harder core the metal fan, the more seriously they take it. Spinal Tap made a statement on the goofiness of metal that still cannot be improved upon.

About the only sub-genre of metal that doesn't take itself seriously is Butt Rock. Unless there's Vikingcore Black Doom Foul Odor Butt Rock. You can tell someone take metal too seriously when they start excluding Butt Rock and other established genres from the metal family tree.
I've never heard of butt rock D:
Sounds entertaining to say the least.

I know of Viking and Pirate metal. Pirate metal is particularly funny vocal wise :P

I think its funniest when bands try and name things as disgusting as possible.
Things like "Aesthetic Upholstery of Molested Flesh" or "Uterovaginal Insertion of Extirpated Anomalies"
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It's certainly not dead ... but the genre itself has painted itself into a corner. If it evolves, in any way, shape, or form ... then it becomes another sub-genre.
Once, it was simple ... we had rock. Then came hard rock. Then came heavy metal. And now .... yowza .... death, gloom, speed, etc.
I worked in CD shops, for over 15 years .... and out of this list ....
1. Led Zeppelin: 88 Million
2. AC/DC: 62 Million
3. Metallica: 54 Million
4. Van Halen: 50 Million
5=. Aerosmith: 39 Million
5=. Guns N' Roses: 39 Million
7. Bon Jovi: 29 Million
8. Def Leppard: 28 Million
9. Ozzy Osbourne: 21 Million
10. Motley Crue: 19 Million
Only "Metallica" would get classified as a metal band .... the rest ... in the rock section.
No, Death Metal isn't dead, but it's not as huge as the Beatles, the Stones, Pink Floyd ... and it never will be. Heck, Yanni has sold over 20 million records .... I don't think any Death Metal band has done that.
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There are more people who want to play metal, than listen to it. It's the single-most discussed genre on this board, but has the least popularity. What's up with that?

Metal isn't dead; it's just being classified out of existence. I swear, the next time I fart, four sub-genres are going to come out.
With respect, DMC, you repeat this point of view almost word-for-word every single time the genre is discussed. It seems to me both illogical and rather ignorant. How can there be more people who want to play metal than listen to it, given that all those people will themselves listen to metal? The fact that people might play metal for their own entertainment doesn't render them statistically invalid as listeners. For your favourite argument to make sense, you have to have people who play metal who don't listen to it. Do such people exist? Can you provide any evidence of this?

I must also take issue with this whole 'classified out of existence' business. To take an example, just because what we call 'classical music' could be quickly divided up into medieval/early music, renaissance music, baroque music, classical music, romantic music, modern classical music, and contemporary classical music, and further subdivided to infinity, we would not regard it as having ceased to exist, but rather having become broader and more diverse. Metal is divided up because of its diversity. The subgenres are testament to its evolution, not to its having reached some sort of creative singularity where no further development can happen.

If it was all just referred to as 'metal', the definition of 'metal' would be so vague as to be completely useless. I challenge you to think of an adequate description for modern metal while remaining concise!

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It's certainly not dead ... but the genre itself has painted itself into a corner. If it evolves, in any way, shape, or form ... then it becomes another sub-genre.
Once, it was simple ... we had rock. Then came hard rock. Then came heavy metal. And now .... yowza .... death, gloom, speed, etc.
I worked in CD shops, for over 15 years .... and out of this list ....
1. Led Zeppelin: 88 Million
2. AC/DC: 62 Million
3. Metallica: 54 Million
4. Van Halen: 50 Million
5=. Aerosmith: 39 Million
5=. Guns N' Roses: 39 Million
7. Bon Jovi: 29 Million
8. Def Leppard: 28 Million
9. Ozzy Osbourne: 21 Million
10. Motley Crue: 19 Million
Only "Metallica" would get classified as a metal band .... the rest ... in the rock section.
No, Death Metal isn't dead, but it's not as huge as the Beatles, the Stones, Pink Floyd ... and it never will be. Heck, Yanni has sold over 20 million records .... I don't think any Death Metal band has done that.
It's a small point, but AC/DC themselves said they weren't a metal band. And I think Van Halen, Def Leppard and Ozzy Osbourne would still be comfortably described as metal in the broadest sense of the word (Ozzy certainly, I don't think there's any argument about that).
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Harry: What about Deep Purple, Black Sabbath and Judas Priest? Are they part of that list?

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It's certainly not dead ... but the genre itself has painted itself into a corner. If it evolves, in any way, shape, or form ... then it becomes another sub-genre.
Once, it was simple ... we had rock. Then came hard rock. Then came heavy metal. And now .... yowza .... death, gloom, speed, etc.
I worked in CD shops, for over 15 years .... and out of this list ....
1. Led Zeppelin: 88 Million
2. AC/DC: 62 Million
3. Metallica: 54 Million
4. Van Halen: 50 Million
5=. Aerosmith: 39 Million
5=. Guns N' Roses: 39 Million
7. Bon Jovi: 29 Million
8. Def Leppard: 28 Million
9. Ozzy Osbourne: 21 Million
10. Motley Crue: 19 Million
Only "Metallica" would get classified as a metal band .... the rest ... in the rock section.
No, Death Metal isn't dead, but it's not as huge as the Beatles, the Stones, Pink Floyd ... and it never will be. Heck, Yanni has sold over 20 million records .... I don't think any Death Metal band has done that.
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Yes Death Metal is dead, but it has risen from the grave and is now called "Zombie Metal".

Of course Zombie Metal might be a category of "Undead Metal" which also includes "Vampire Metal" and "Mummie Metal", and then you get into the whole "Egyptian Mummie Metal" vs. "South American Mummie Metal". I can see how you might get confused.
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All the silly sub-genres really reinforce the goofiness of metal. It is the goofiest genre of music out there, moreso than childrens' TV music, because the harder core the metal fan, the more seriously they take it. Spinal Tap made a statement on the goofiness of metal that still cannot be improved upon.

About the only sub-genre of metal that doesn't take itself seriously is Butt Rock. Unless there's Vikingcore Black Doom Foul Odor Butt Rock. You can tell someone take metal too seriously when they start excluding Butt Rock and other established genres from the metal family tree.
So in other words, rather than look at the facts and realize you mis-spoke, you would rather make a post with the sheer intention of getting a rise out people. Not very mature.

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, because the harder core the metal fan, the more seriously they take it.
You could say the exact same thing about fans of jazz, country, hip-hop, classical, and really any genre of music. Hard core fans of any genre take their music seriously.



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[ I worked in CD shops, for over 15 years .... and out of this list .... Only "Metallica" would get classified as a metal band .... the rest ... in the rock section. [/indent][indent]
Which is why I labeled it as Hard rock/metal.

But come on, Ozzy? The Prince of Darkness is largely considered the godfather of Heavy Metal.

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Oh dear, now we're discussing what falls into heavy metal and what doesn't... I say heavy metal is everything with distorted (if transistor generated) or overdriven (if tube generated) guitars, minus country. Good definition, isn't it? ;-)

For all those jazz lovers: Now where does jazz start, where does it end? My impression is that while nobody even bothers to think about THAT question some love to dedicate their time on classifying metal (interestingly, NOT being metal fans theirselves). Makes sense? No. But that's how some fellows are it seems.
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Yes Death Metal is dead, but it has risen from the grave and is now called "Zombie Metal".

Of course Zombie Metal might be a category of "Undead Metal" which also includes "Vampire Metal" and "Mummie Metal", and then you get into the whole "Egyptian Mummie Metal" vs. "South American Mummie Metal". I can see how you might get confused.
HA! I know you meant this is jest, but someone, somewhere, has probably added that to a unique sub-sub-sub-sub genre: Goof Metal. Then there's Foul Odor Goof Metal, Satanic Thrash Apocalyptic Goof Metal, Mummy Goof Metal, and so on. There are more genres of metal, than there are listeners of metal. The ersatz Satanism, the obsession with bad smells and ugliness, the wanking, the classifications and the seriousness of its fans all make it the Rodney Dangerfield of genres. I loved metal, and I still do, but I haven't taken it seriously since I was 20. At least Butt Rock/Hair Metal never took itself seriously and knew it was a joke.

The entire genre is so goofy that it demands that someone not take it seriously. There, I said it.
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I think you'd be surprised just how many contemporary metal bands take that attitude, especially in europe. There is a lot of tongue-in-cheek stuff out there but in many cases it's not done too overtly so as to protect what makes it amusing in the first place. I'm in two bands that play on these attitudes to various degrees myself.
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Oh dear, now we're discussing what falls into heavy metal and what doesn't... I say heavy metal is everything with distorted (if transistor generated) or overdriven (if tube generated) guitars, minus country. Good definition, isn't it? ;-)

For all those jazz lovers: Now where does jazz start, where does it end? My impression is that while nobody even bothers to think about THAT question some love to dedicate their time on classifying metal (interestingly, NOT being metal fans theirselves). Makes sense? No. But that's how some fellows are it seems.
Wow, you must have missed the Kenny G thread.
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I don't loveDeath Metal or even really listen to it. I can appreciate it for what it it. I prefer the classical influence in black metal, or the rawness in some black metal.

Metal heads do love labels that set them apart.

DMC so many genres can be silly if integrity isn't in the players mindset.

Death Metal is great for what it is.

I personally abhor Godsmack, but some love it, that doesn't mean rock or hard rock/metal is dead or they are all stupid for liking Godsmack, just not my cup of tea.

I do loveWayne Shorter, Primus, Minor Threat and Bjork. That has nothing to do with Death Metal.

If it makes someone respond, the band enjoys it, so what.
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18=. Black Sabbath: 10 Million
18=. Linkin Park: 10 Million
18=. Nine Inch Nails: 10 Million

37=. Alice Cooper: 6 Million
37=. Megadeth: 6 Million
39=. Judas Priest: 5 Million
39=. Pantera: 5 Million
39=. Queensryche: 5 Million

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Death metal is not dead, it just smells funny ... someone had to say it :)

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All the silly sub-genres really reinforce the goofiness of metal. It is the goofiest genre of music out there, moreso than childrens' TV music, because the harder core the metal fan, the more seriously they take it. Spinal Tap made a statement on the goofiness of metal that still cannot be improved upon.

About the only sub-genre of metal that doesn't take itself seriously is Butt Rock. Unless there's Vikingcore Black Doom Foul Odor Butt Rock. You can tell someone take metal too seriously when they start excluding Butt Rock and other established genres from the metal family tree.
DMC, you've been hard on metal for a while, I suspect because there's so many metal-related posts on this board that are of no interest to you.

Like you, as a rule I can't stand modern metal (I have one doom metal song in my YouTube Favourites) . However, I remember being a metalhead when I was young (back then Deep Purple and Black Sabs were considered to be metal bands).

I remember how, if music didn't have a certain level of ferocity then it didn't hit the spot. There HAD to be those aggressive distorted guitar chords and/or riffs, screaming lead solos and ferocious, fast drumming - the faster and more ferocious, the better.

What opened up my tastes were the bands' own eclecticism, where the fierce stuff was interspersed with more lyrical moments. That created an attraction for music that reminded me of those lyrical moments and I soon discovered blues, prog, fusion, jazz, etc ... until in middle age I rediscovered my love of good melodic pop that I'd loved before Slade turned me towards the Dark Side when I was about 13 :)

It all happens in stages. Many of these hardcore metal players will diversify in time just as I did, though they might be less inclined to if you give them something to rebel against ... that's how it worked for me when I was young :)
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Slade. Now there is a band I have not heard in a while. My older brother used to play them. I think I might still have the album with some big guy with his fists out, and Slade written on his fingers. I need to listen to some right away before I forget! :)
Don't do it, Glen lol

I thought the same way a while ago and came away wondering how on earth I could have liked them!
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... before Slade turned me towards the Dark Side when I was about 13 :)
Haha, ...the dark side, I liked that :)

Did you listen to these also at the time ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz2J6qm_XAI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYoog...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmdKJWoTLPs

Not death metal, but the precursor of it :) The early 70's was full of "metal" bands.... these are 1973 :)
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Did you listen to these also at the time ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz2J6qm_XAI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYoog...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmdKJWoTLPs

Not death metal, but the precursor of it :) The early 70's was full of "metal" bands.... these are 1973 :)
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