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Old 12-25-2011, 02:01 AM
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Default nu edg ?

any one used these things ? it's a composit bearing edge and hoop. I guess it's meant for drums with a bad edge--which I have-- but I have never heard any one talk about these one way or the other.
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Old 12-25-2011, 03:54 AM
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Default Re: nu edg ?

I didn't even know that product existed, so I'll have to pass on this one.

But I had a look at it, and the concept could be good, especially if you can select different types of bearing edge for a particular sound.

Perhaps our friend Andy (KIS) with his knowledge and expertise could enlight us on this intrigued but innovative product? ;-))

Here's a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTuJBhmzdvA
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Old 12-25-2011, 04:50 AM
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I first came across that vid about a year ago.
I have never seen the products up close though.
The edges and hoops apear to work well on the video.
I can see how the edge inserts would be useful to a drummer with a beat up kit.
When you think about it the edges aren't much different than a reinforcement ring.
The composite hoop looks really interesting.
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Old 12-25-2011, 05:12 AM
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Are they sold for different drum thicknesses?

New Construction Model Abbreviation Ply Series Drum Shell Ply Diameter Size Order Abbreviation
NC TR45
10 ply
5 ply 8" NC-TR45-10-5p-8
NC TR45
10 ply
5 ply 10" NC-TR45-10-5p-10
NC TR45
10 ply
5 ply 12" NC-TR45-10-5p-12
NC TR45
10 ply
5 ply 13" NC-TR45-10-5p-13
NC TR45
10 ply
5 ply 14" NC-TR45-10-5p-14
NC TR45 10 ply 5 ply 16" NC-TR45-10-5p-16
NC TR45 10 ply 5 ply 18" NC-TR45-10-5p-18
New Construction / Retro Model Abbreviation Ply Series Drum Shell Ply Diameter Size Order Abbreviation
NC TR45
10 ply
6 ply 8" NC-TR45-10-6p-8
NC TR45
10 ply
6 ply 10" NC-TR45-10-6p-10
NC TR45
10 ply
6 ply 12" NC-TR45-10-6p-12
NC TR45
10 ply
6 ply 13" NC-TR45-10-6p-13
NC TR45
10 ply
6 ply 14" NC-TR45-10-6p-14
NC TR45 10 ply 6 ply 16" NC-TR45-10-6p-16
NC TR45 10 ply 6 ply 18" NC-TR45-10-6p-18


New Construction / Retro Model Abbreviation Ply Series Drum Shell Ply Diameter Size Order Abbreviation
NC TR45
10 ply
8 ply 8" NC-TR45-10-8p-8
NC TR45
10 ply
8 ply 10" NC-TR45-10-8p-10
NC TR45
10 ply
8 ply 12" NC-TR45-10-8p-12
NC TR45
10 ply
8 ply 13" NC-TR45-10-8p-13
NC TR45
10 ply
8 ply 14" NC-TR45-10-8p-14
NC TR45 10 ply 8 ply 16" NC-TR45-10-8p-16
NC TR45 10 ply 8 ply 18" NC-TR45-10-8p-18
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Old 12-25-2011, 04:23 PM
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Default Re: nu edg ?

I think the bearing edge inserts are quite a good idea for those who want to switch over the character of their drums whilst maintaining only 1 drum or set. My issue with these is the sonic affect. In our extensive A-B testing of separate bearing edge designs, we found that a separate edge, no matter how well interfaced, significantly reduced shell resonance & ultimately excitement of the reso head. That affect was most prominent on all stave shells (due to the conduit affect of unmolested vertical grain) and other shell forms where the shell was medium to thin in thickness. Conversely, on a thick ply shell, these separate edges could work quite well, as such a shell contributes little by way of resonance.

I think the composite hoop has more merit. I especially like the different edge heights to enable hand playing & strong cross stick click. That said, such hoops do not contribute much in the way of tone in the resolved sound. They're quite similar to thick ply hoops in that respect. To me, they sounded muted, as opposed to "woody".

The snare drum in the sound clip was as dead as a dodo. My best guess is this was partly to do with non resonant hoop mass, those separate bearing edges, & what seems to be use of the internal damper.

Overall = not for me, but for those who want a dry sound, I suppose both products have their place. Best bit = the low & raised sections of the hoop. Me likey that!
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Old 12-25-2011, 04:40 PM
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Default Re: nu edg ?

As KIS said,
Slight lack of resonance is the first thing that I thought of when I looked at the product videos.
I couldn't see myself ordering a new shell and not having edges cut so that I could install edges.
I would perhaps install the edges and the hoop on a snare drum that I don't care for that much. It would become a side drum or the like.

Recutting bearing edges is not that hard to do yourself and it isn't that expensive to have it done.
If a drum isn't worth having the edges recut then it probably isn't worth buying the inserts either.
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