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Old 03-06-2011, 07:06 AM
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I've gone ahead and drilled my bass drum and installed the tom mount base plate onto the bass drum.

When I originally got the base plate, it came with a steel plate meant to be on the inside of the drum so as to sandwich the wood between in and the actual tom mount on the outside (it is a Tama piece).

As I went to install the screws, it seems the bubinga shells are thicker than usual and the screws did not extend far enough through the shell to connect to the base mount. However, if I remove the steel plate on the inside of the drum, the screws fit fine (all four of them have a lock washer and a bigger round washer that makes contact with the shell.

Question: do you think this inner steel plate necessary? Does "sandwiching" the wood make for a more stable mount or do you think it would really matter? Anyone do this and find it damaged the bass drum?

I suppose to do it right I'll have to locate slightly longer screws, but I'm willing to bet you can't just walk into a Home Depot and buy them, eh?

My bass drum is still in pieces, so there's no damage being done to them yet by hanging toms off of the mount. I'm wondering if I should be so concerned with that darn steel plate first. Any advice?
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Old 03-06-2011, 07:10 AM
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I would get longer screws. That plate will spread the pressure of the tom mount evenly and provide better support. Four longer screws are much cheaper than a new shell a year from now.
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Old 03-06-2011, 07:13 AM
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Get longer screws!
The reinforcement plate is needed.
You should be able to buy matching hardware. If Home Depot doesn't have it, a hardware store will.
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Old 03-06-2011, 07:22 AM
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Third vote for "use the backing plate ... and get longer screws/bolts". Home Depot, or any good hardware store should be able to fit the bill.
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Old 03-06-2011, 07:25 AM
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I would get longer screws and use the backing plate. The bracket needs the extra support, especially with the weight of the bubinga toms.

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Old 03-06-2011, 07:33 AM
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I would also hope there is a rubber gasket for the outside of the shell for between the plate on the outside. If not make one.
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Old 03-06-2011, 09:40 AM
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My apologies for the newbie question. My frustration level went down a few notches after this post because I stopped, grabbed something to eat, then took a shower. I was getting frustrated trying to figure out why it wasn't fitting.

I may have made a slight mistake by having one of the bolt holes a little off, so tomorrow in the bright noon day sun, I'll tackle that part of the job by just making the one hole a little larger. The other three screws fit with the plate, this one seems just off enough to keep the screw from going straight into the base plate. If that doesn't work, I'll go find a slightly longer screw. And yes, I have a rubber gasket that goes between the base plate on top and the shell.

Looking at the bass drum with just the plate sitting in the right spot has me all warm and fuzzy inside. And to add to the serendipity, my Gibraltar flat-based straight cymbal stands finally arrived. Those are way better than the Ludwig flat-based cymbals I had.
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Old 03-06-2011, 09:58 AM
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bo, you have some serious balls.

i would never drill into any of my b/b's.
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Old 03-06-2011, 10:07 AM
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bo, you have some serious balls.

i would never drill into any of my b/b's.
Yeah, I contend with that all the time. I've come to the conclusion that I like high-end gear to play on, but I like to tinker too and make it work for me. I think this started when I was a kid learning how to make my own leather straps when I broke them on my Slingerland Tempo King pedal. It's been one modification after another over the years. My first DW kit (in zebra finish) I installed a Yamaha base plate for a tom mount, for some reason I didn't sweat that job so much.

Another influence has been the guys at Pro Drum Shop in Hollywood. They were really the first custom shop when they opened in '53. People didn't like the hardware of some drums, so you could go there, order the drums without the mounting hardware, and the guys would install what you wanted. I've seen lots of old Ludwig kits with Rogers mounting hardware. I installed the big Ludwig curved spurs on my Slingerland bass drum when I was 13. Although it happens less and less, Pro Drum still does that kind of work.

But somebody here said it best when he said "the drums work for me and not the other way around". I guess I'm doin' the same thing.
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Old 03-06-2011, 11:15 AM
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Totally with you there. All of my guitars have at least had their wiring replaced at least once, my small kit was a restoration job and I'm always thinking of the next modification!
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Old 03-06-2011, 07:35 PM
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Pics of the install plus the stand?

Im looking for a solution for my mess of hardware lol
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Old 03-06-2011, 07:59 PM
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I am a big fan of simplifying my kits.
The less stands that I have to lug around and fuss with, The better!
A bass drum mounted tom works for me on a 4 piece just fine.
If I play a 5 piece kit with 2 up and 1 down, I use a double tom floor stand that can also hold a cymbal. One stand holds three things.
I also like to set my ride over the bass drum.
It works for me.
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Old 03-06-2011, 08:01 PM
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Another influence has been the guys at Pro Drum Shop in Hollywood. They were really the first custom shop when they opened in '53. People didn't like the hardware of some drums, so you could go there, order the drums without the mounting hardware, and the guys would install what you wanted. I've seen lots of old Ludwig kits with Rogers mounting hardware. I installed the big Ludwig curved spurs on my Slingerland bass drum when I was 13. Although it happens less and less, Pro Drum still does that kind of work..
Yup.

I've had Pro Drum put Ludwig strainers on both of my DW snare drums.
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Old 03-06-2011, 08:28 PM
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Yup.

I've had Pro Drum put Ludwig strainers on both of my DW snare drums.
I bet if I had Ludwig strainers put on my DW snares I probably would've kept them.... ;)
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Old 03-06-2011, 08:29 PM
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Pics of the install plus the stand?

Im looking for a solution for my mess of hardware lol
As soon as I finish it up I was planning on taking some pictures. Stay tuned!
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Old 03-06-2011, 09:16 PM
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I think it's crazy to devirginize a bass drum, but as long as you are doing it, I think you should have the plate inside. What's a another piece of steel bolted to your drum anyway?
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Old 03-06-2011, 09:27 PM
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Hey they're just drums. Drill em, hit em, whatever you want. They are your property and I think that you can do to them whatever you want if it makes you happy. You serve the music, the drums serve you. If installing a tom tree mount is devirginizing, then I guess I brutally raped my kick drum with the DIY internal pressure muffling system I mounted inside mine. I have no regrets whatsoever.
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Old 03-06-2011, 09:32 PM
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Hey they're just drums. Drill em, hit em, whatever you want. They are your property and I think that you can do to them whatever you want if it makes you happy. You serve the music, the drums serve you. If installing a tom tree mount is devirginizing, then I guess I brutally raped my kick drum with the DIY internal pressure muffling system I mounted inside mine. I have no regrets whatsoever.
Agreed, I didn't mean to imply he had no "right" to do any of this. People can do anything they want with their instruments. And if they discuss it on an open message board, others are just as free to comment on it, and others on that, and so on.
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Old 03-06-2011, 09:58 PM
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Sorry DMC, my post could be construed as slightly combative, but I really didn't intend it that way. My bad. That's the great thing about DW, the variety of opinions here. I am all for individual preferences, and differing opinions as long as respect for each other is maintained. I apologize if you felt I was dissing your preferences, I wasn't, because you rock.
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Old 03-06-2011, 10:00 PM
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Sorry DMC, my post could be construed as slightly combative, but I really didn't intend it that way. My bad. That's the great thing about DW, the variety of opinions here. I am all for individual preferences, and differing opinions as long as respect for each other is maintained. I apologize if you felt I was dissing your preferences, I wasn't, because you rock.
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Old 03-06-2011, 10:03 PM
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I guess I brutally raped my kick drum with the DIY internal pressure muffling system I mounted inside mine. I have no regrets whatsoever.
You should stand trial for that!
There are some sacred things left that we have to preserve!

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Old 03-06-2011, 10:10 PM
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Hey - so I in my red-eye frustration last night I did not see that one of the mounting screws for the base plate is SHORTER than the other three! Dammit! Now I'm off to go find a slightly longer screw for sure. This negates my earlier question of losing the under plate.

Amazing what you see when you're all wide awake after a good night's sleep, eh?
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Old 03-07-2011, 04:20 AM
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All right - here it is! The new bass drum mount and the new cymbal stands. My physical footprint has gotten smaller, and all this hardware will now fit in one of my small trap cases. Life has just become easier to move this guy around. Perhaps I don't need that Safari afterall....

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All right - here it is! The new bass drum mount and the new cymbal stands. My physical footprint has gotten smaller, and all this hardware will now fit in one of my small trap cases. Life has just become easier to move this guy around. Perhaps I don't need that Safari afterall....

You da man, Bo.

I'm going this direction. Also - you and I live within 1 hr. drive (you work at Disneyland right? - I'm in Woodland Hills). I've used Pro Drum for other stuff but will definitely consider them if I put floor tom legs on my Yamaha MCAN. That idea is aflame in my head as I want everything lighter. MCAN's are lighter drums than Gretsch. Drop the 9000 tom stands gets some flat base cymbal stands and suddenly a flight of stairs seems a little shorter. LOL!

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Old 03-07-2011, 04:37 AM
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My God Bo, You ruined that kit!
I was only kidding when I told you to drill the bass drum.
I didn't think that you would do it.
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The horror... the horror....
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Looks great! Beautiful kit before and after. Good job!
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All right - here it is! The new bass drum mount and the new cymbal stands. My physical footprint has gotten smaller, and all this hardware will now fit in one of my small trap cases. Life has just become easier to move this guy around. Perhaps I don't need that Safari afterall....

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What brand is that stand with your right side crash? Is that the Gibraltar too? The legs look twice as long as your left side crash stand. Especially in the shot from behind the kit. Or is that an optical illusion?
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Old 03-07-2011, 05:58 PM
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What brand is that stand with your right side crash? Is that the Gibraltar too? The legs look twice as long as your left side crash stand. Especially in the shot from behind the kit. Or is that an optical illusion?
It's an optical illusion. It's melding in with the snare stand leg. I didn't catch that until after I posted it up! They're all Gibraltars.
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It's an optical illusion. It's melding in with the snare stand leg. I didn't catch that until after I posted it up! They're all Gibraltars.
Yeah...I see it now. Nice trick. ;-)
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You do realize that you have violated a... VIRGIN!... DON'T YOU!... WELL DON'T YOU!!!
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Man, I was so inspired by your sacrifice that today, i took my 16" rack tom (the ONLY one of my toms that actually had a YESS mount on it)... and put floor tom legs on it so that I could lug around one less stand. And you know what? That thing has some SUSTAIN now. DOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooong. Sounds AWESOME. Thanks, Bo.
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Man, I was so inspired by your sacrifice that today, i took my 16" rack tom (the ONLY one of my toms that actually had a YESS mount on it)... and put floor tom legs on it so that I could lug around one less stand. And you know what? That thing has some SUSTAIN now. DOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooong. Sounds AWESOME. Thanks, Bo.
You're welcome! I'm glad to be of some service to my fellow drummer friends. Now if Sonor can start sending me checks for helping them sell Safari kits I'd be all set! Another guy on YouTube told me he just bought one because of my video. Pretty soon Safari kits will roam the land like buffalo...
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Your bass drum is no longer a virgin XD that's awesome though, I was thinking about doing that to the same kit. I'm glad some1 else is just as "crazy" as me
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Your bass drum is no longer a virgin XD that's awesome though, I was thinking about doing that to the same kit. I'm glad some1 else is just as "crazy" as me
Well, to re-kindle an old argument, the sound difference between a virgin bass and a non-virgin bass is negligible. And usually, there's some kind of muffling going in the bass drum that completely negates having a virgin bass drum anyway. Even you played it wide-open like Keith Carlock, there are still so many overtones present that you couldn't tell if it was virgin or not. The transport and set-up advantages totally out-weigh the virgin bass drum concept. I play drums - not an erector set ;)
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Old 12-06-2011, 08:56 PM
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The argument will never end.
I also can't really tell the difference.
I have no problem with mounting toms and cymbal holders on a bass drum.
Especially for a live performance.
For a recording studio kit I understand, but for general playing it makes no real sense to worry about such small things.
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Nice job, I do understand the fewer steps the better for a gigging drummer.
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