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Old 05-14-2011, 01:50 AM
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Default Wing nut optional?

Pretty basic question here and just as the title asks. Do you folks think that a wing nut is optional on the cymbal stand? I never use one but I just read that "too little tension with a wing nut can cause cracks on the outer edge of the cymbal". Is this true? Now, I don't use wing nuts because I play my cymbals flat and I play folk/acoustic/light rock. Thanks in advance!
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Old 05-14-2011, 02:22 AM
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I haven't heard that a loose wingnut causes problems, but cranking it down can put stress around the hole and change the sound when you play.

I've just begun using cymbal toppers, which allow you to slide the cymbal on - no wing nut. But it's strictly a convenience for me, not a question of cymbal care.

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Old 05-14-2011, 02:42 AM
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Right, that's what I was thinking too. Thanks for your help!
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Old 05-14-2011, 02:50 AM
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I don't use top felts. I use round plastic nuts instead of wing nuts just for the heck of it.
I really don't need any cymbal nuts at all.
Cymbal nuts would truly be optional for me if I wanted them to be.
I do use a top felt and a cymbal nut on my splash cymbal though.
That cymbal is light and it could fall from the stand.
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Old 05-14-2011, 05:10 AM
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I haven't heard that a loose wingnut causes problems, but cranking it down can put stress around the hole and change the sound when you play.

I've just begun using cymbal toppers, which allow you to slide the cymbal on - no wing nut. But it's strictly a convenience for me, not a question of cymbal care.

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Old 05-14-2011, 05:20 AM
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I don't feel that those wingnuts are optional. I feel that they are mandatory, but for a safety reason. It is a good habit to protect your eyes from the sharp ends of cymbal stands, and when you consider how moving your drums means bending over to pick things up you can easily gank your eyes.

I try to replace the wingnuts immediately after I pull the cymbal off the stand just to make sure that sharp side is much less eye-pokey.

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Old 05-14-2011, 05:37 AM
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Now, I don't use wing nuts because I play my cymbals flat and I play folk/acoustic/light rock. Thanks in advance!
Given your styles I doubt you'll crack a cymbal anyway. I'm playing a similar style and use wingnuts because it's the only way I won't lose them :)
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Old 05-14-2011, 05:43 AM
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A 2.00 wing nut is a superfulous piece of nothing until you drop that 400.00 ride cymbal off the stand onto a concrete floor and it shatters.

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Old 05-14-2011, 05:51 AM
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I don't feel that those wingnuts are optional. I feel that they are mandatory, but for a safety reason. It is a good habit to protect your eyes from the sharp ends of cymbal stands, and when you consider how moving your drums means bending over to pick things up you can easily gank your eyes.

I try to replace the wingnuts immediately after I pull the cymbal off the stand just to make sure that sharp side is much less eye-pokey.

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......so that you can poke your eye with a wing nut? Nut! I'd say, be more careful.
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Old 05-14-2011, 05:53 AM
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Given your styles I doubt you'll crack a cymbal anyway. I'm playing a similar style and use wingnuts because it's the only way I won't lose them :)
I beg to differ, Polly, but the t-top/button top (see pic below) eliminates the wing nut. If you eliminate the wing nut, you won't loose them.
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Old 05-14-2011, 05:57 AM
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A 2.00 wing nut is a superfulous piece of nothing until you drop that 400.00 ride cymbal off the stand onto a concrete floor and it shatters.

You need something.
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If you have the t-top/button top you won't drop that $400 cymbal (again, see pic below). It won't come off till you take it off. And you can take it off and put it on much more quickly.
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Old 05-31-2011, 11:42 PM
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I use the Tama plastic round nuts. WAY faster to get on/off if you develop the correct middlefinger/thumb continuous-roll technique
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Old 06-01-2011, 01:25 AM
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I haven't heard that a loose wingnut causes problems, but cranking it down can put stress around the hole and change the sound when you play.

I've just begun using cymbal toppers, which allow you to slide the cymbal on - no wing nut. But it's strictly a convenience for me, not a question of cymbal care.

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Do those screw onto the threads or is that part of the actual stand? Where can one get those?
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Old 06-01-2011, 07:04 AM
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Do those screw onto the threads or is that part of the actual stand? Where can one get those?
I have them in two styles, flip top and button top. The button top comes in two sizes, 6mm & 8mm. Don't know about the flip top. They screw on to the threads on the cymbal tilter.

As to where you can purchase, I don't know. Maybe try GC. Someone on this forum may have a better idea.
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Old 06-01-2011, 08:57 AM
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Can't go wrong with the Pearl butterfly "wingnut". Really quick to get on and off, and there is a bonus - It doubles as a cymbal saver!
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Old 06-01-2011, 09:15 AM
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This is gonna sound kinda crazy but thats ok, I am crazy. :)

Every once in a while I go a little OCD and this topic will throw me right into a full on OCD panic.

I cant do cymbals on stands without some kind of wingnut or something on top of the stand.
It just looks unfinished or something!.

I just cant do it man!...Not me!...Cant do it!...Cant do it man!. ;)
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Old 06-01-2011, 09:21 AM
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All my pies are too big and heavy not to have them topped. Ever try controlling a 19 rock with no nut? Not fun at all.
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Old 06-01-2011, 08:51 PM
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The Silver cymbal topper in the first pic were sold by Zildjian years ago.
They are not available anymore. They were also I believe only 6mm.

Nothing is available like them EXCEPT the new Gibraltar Swing Nut (8mm).
They are pretty cool, but Gibraltar is not at this time offering them as a separate item.

The second pic I think is called a Cymbal Crown. Not sure if they are still available or not.
I saw them in shops years ago, but haven't in recent memory.

I used to not use wingnuts for convenience, and what I did was took some threaded sleeves (Gibraltar, Yamaha etc..) and cut the bottom piece off. I didn't use the whole sleeve, just enough to make it tall enough and cover the end of the threads on the stand a bit.

Finished off the "look" by not having threads showing too--which saves anguish from occurring in our OCD friends (I am NOT saying I'm not one of them haha!).
It lets you just lift off the cymbal (or put it on) without doing anything else.

Never poked my eye out using them, but you should see the other guy...
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Old 06-02-2011, 03:19 AM
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I like Slicknuts.

In don't think wing nuts or any kind of fastener is needed for all cymbals, like a big heavy ride. But for a splash or smaller crash, it could wobble right off and onto the floor.
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Old 06-03-2011, 09:53 AM
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I use pretty big cymbals all around the kit, and I haven't used a wingnut or top felt in years. I use Gibraltar tall cymbal sleeve/cup washer combos with a bottom felt, and lay my 24", 21", and 19" cymbals on there and go for it. Never had a cymbal fall off yet.
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IMO, wingnuts are confounded pieces of unnecessary metal that slows down the setting up/tearing down aspect of my gig for no real benefit.

I've never poked my eye, (is he serious?) I've never had a cymbal fall off from hitting it so hard, and I don't see the need for them since I play flat cymbals.

I use cymbal crowns, a soft rubber thing that screws down on the cymbal stand threads, acts as a felt without using a felt, protects the cymbal from the stand, and doesn't take up any lateral real estate whatsoever on my bell.. I use hi hat clutch felts on the cymbal crowns because gravity will make regular felts fall off. The hi hat felts hold tight, but you really don't need felts, the rubber is soft enough.
They cost like 5 bucks and last about a year, but it's the best thing I've found. Slick nuts are too big, I always hit them. The cymbal crowns will keep your cymbal from being blown off outdoors, or from smacking it too hard (Yikes!)

If your cymbals are way tilted, you need something. I don't like tilted cymbals. I like the edge available to me. I can get the sound I want much easier. I used to use automotive fuel line and cut it to length, much cheaper, but they don't prevent the cymbal from getting blown off outdoors.
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Old 06-03-2011, 05:19 PM
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I like Slicknuts.
I endorsed SlickNuts for years, and still love them on some stands, but they tend to not grip well on posts where they're free-spinning (un-threaded) at the top, designed so wing nuts don't spin completely off. I wasn't able to use them at all on my Gibraltar cymbal arms, and stuck with wing nuts until recently.

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Old 06-03-2011, 05:24 PM
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Do those screw onto the threads or is that part of the actual stand? Where can one get those?
They screw onto the threads, and are available in 8mm and 6mm. The 6mm don't work too easily on the older 1/4"-20 American stands, and I won't force them. But, I tapped those with a 1/4"-20 bit, and they didn't take much effort to make them work perfectly. I have them on my Ludwig 1400 stands that I use for local gigs & sessions.

Camber was the most recent manfacturer ofn the 'toppers', but I think they're discontinued. A number of shops are selling their remaining stock online and on ebay. I'm pretty sure Explorer's Percussion in Kansas City still has some.

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Old 06-03-2011, 05:26 PM
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Old 07-07-2011, 01:21 AM
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i have found that using wing-nuts on cymbals 14" or bigger is not a problem but as the cymbal gets smaller the more it moves on the stand due to it being lighter. i have a 10" splash that i mounted without the wing-nut (because it was on a sonor stand and the thread is smaller and i had lost at the time my only one for it) but i hit it quite lightly and it just fell off. ohh how my fellow band members laughed.
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They screw onto the threads, and are available in 8mm and 6mm. The 6mm don't work too easily on the older 1/4"-20 American stands, and I won't force them. But, I tapped those with a 1/4"-20 bit, and they didn't take much effort to make them work perfectly. I have them on my Ludwig 1400 stands that I use for local gigs & sessions.

Camber was the most recent manfacturer of the 'toppers', but I think they're discontinued. A number of shops are selling their remaining stock online and on ebay. I'm pretty sure Explorer's Percussion in Kansas City still has some.

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I found this:

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Site say's they have hundreds in stock.
Fairly cheap at $4.50 for 2.
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I use the Tama plastic round nuts. WAY faster to get on/off if you develop the correct middlefinger/thumb continuous-roll technique
My method exactly! You can spin those off in no time.

I also put clear vinyl tubing on the screw shaft instead of the usual hard plastic tube. Not only does it seem better for the cymbal, cuz it's softer, but it also fits snugly on the shaft, and so it can't fall off and get lost in the dark somewhere when you're at a gig.
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Old 07-09-2011, 06:22 PM
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I don't use any wing nuts or felts on top of my cymbals. I feel that a plastic sleeve plus a felt underneath the cymbal is adequate protection because I am a light player. However, I have been in recording situations where I need to play heavier, and I'll use a top wingnut with a felt between it and the cymbal. I never clamp down tightly - it's just there to ensure that the cymbal does not come off the stand.

The only exception is splash cymbals. They come off the stands more easily and I always use a top wingnut and felt.

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Old 09-06-2011, 11:56 AM
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WOW, kind of surprising how many people do not use anything at all. In my recent years of learning drums this is an area I have neglected and now I am having problems with the wing nuts backing off and falling, especially on the splash.

I also think the sound of a crash cymbal with no wing nut or very very loose sounds hideous. Maybe it's my cymbals (A projections) or maybe my ear has not progressed in that area.

Is there a wing nut with some type of nylock or something in it? this would prevent it from vibrating off but I have not seen any in stores.

Any other adjustable cymbal toppers out there? I would like one where I can tighten down on the cymbal a little bit.

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Old 09-06-2011, 05:46 PM
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No nuts for me; my style does not require them.

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I cant do cymbals on stands without some kind of wingnut or something on top of the stand.
It just looks unfinished or something!.

I just cant do it man!...Not me!...Cant do it!...Cant do it man!. ;)

I am the same way. It really bothers me when i see other people setting up like that too. my playing doesn't warrant it, but I use the full assortment of felts/sleeves/wingnuts.
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I am the same way. It really bothers me when i see other people setting up like that too. my playing doesn't warrant it, but I use the full assortment of felts/sleeves/wingnuts.
Do they back off on you? just wondering if it's normal to have to tighten the nut a lil after a few songs
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Do they back off on you? just wondering if it's normal to have to tighten the nut a lil after a few songs
Not at all. I play fairly softly, and my (one) stand isn't angled at all though.
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One word. Camber T-tops. OK, that's two words.
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Old 09-09-2011, 08:23 AM
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i go topless! I don't like felts on top of the cymbals, and placing the wing nut on there is mostly pointless to me. When traveling, however, I usually try to remember to throw them on so that the cymbal sleeves don't fall off/get lost.

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