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Old 08-07-2011, 03:35 AM
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http://www.allaxess.com/guitar-blog/...wood-shortage/

This is worrying news! I've thought about this before with the way Tama is making bubinga so popular. These big companies better start coming up with plans to reforest.

Is this the first time anyone has bothered to worry about wood shortages?
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Old 08-07-2011, 03:51 AM
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Yes it is a potential problem.
Hardwoods don't grow as fast as woods like pine.
DW introduced eco friendly kits a while back.
Prices will surely rise on musical instruments made from exotic woods.
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Old 08-07-2011, 04:19 AM
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Many companies are guilty of this. I applaud DW for making sustainability a priority. I bet many of the sets shown off on this forum were made with illegal/improperly taken wood.
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This type of exploitation has been going on for years, and then these countries will wonder why they have dust storms and drought when all of the foilage is gone.
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This type of exploitation has been going on for years, and then these countries will wonder why they have dust storms and drought when all of the foilage is gone.
Usually it is corrupt government officials taking bribes from logging companies, who turn around and sell the wood to many different companies. The people doing this know exactly what they are doing and are not at all surprised.
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Old 08-07-2011, 05:04 AM
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Perhaps using industrial hemp would be a great alternative to wood.

Fibreglass and carbon fiber has already been tried.
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Old 08-07-2011, 06:23 AM
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The title of this led me to believe that this should be posted in a men's health forum.
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Old 08-07-2011, 01:56 PM
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HAHA!!

Maybe we should be more careful about thread titles so as to avoid far-out interpretations.
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Old 08-07-2011, 02:14 PM
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Demand exceeds supply - it doesn't matter what kind of wood you're talking about, be it woody wood or men's health kinda wood.

It should be said that some fine drummers played the same kit throughout their careers. I like their approach - you find a kit you like and really learn over the years how to get the best response from it. Less strain on wood supplies too.

Yes yes, you can define "kit" any way you like too ..... :P
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Old 08-07-2011, 03:10 PM
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Perhaps using industrial hemp would be a great alternative to wood.

Fibreglass and carbon fiber has already been tried.
I have seen drums that are made from Hemp. I can't remember the name of the company that makes them.

I found them. Tempus is the name of the company.
http://youtu.be/t1NBW6bN7PM
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As big of a fan I am of hemp, I am not crazy of the tone of that Tempus drum. Hemp is a soft fiber. You can tell by the lack of overtones on that clip.
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Old 08-07-2011, 04:00 PM
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I wasn't impressed with the hemp snare either Larry.

I do like the sound of the DW Eco drums.
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This also smacks of market spin to justify a reason for major price increases. I don't see maple as nearing extinction. Rosewood and the exotics perhaps but maple? Canada is full of maple.
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Old 08-07-2011, 04:05 PM
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Just like the Oil co's.
Create a shortage to raise the price.
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Old 08-07-2011, 04:17 PM
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Just like the Oil co's.
Create a shortage to raise the price.
I myself am already thinking of grabbing a Bubinga set just in case.

Curses!

It's amazing what a few words in print can do.

You know full well that people are snapping up exotics at an accelerated rate thanks to that article. Sneaky corporate types...
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Old 08-07-2011, 04:24 PM
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Demand exceeds supply - it doesn't matter what kind of wood you're talking about, be it woody wood or men's health kinda wood.

It should be said that some fine drummers played the same kit throughout their careers. I like their approach - you find a kit you like and really learn over the years how to get the best response from it. Less strain on wood supplies too.

Yes yes, you can define "kit" any way you like too ..... :P
You hit the nail right on the head Polly. People change their drum kits like they change their underwear. Find the sound and color you like and stick with it.
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Old 08-07-2011, 04:26 PM
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This also smacks of market spin to justify a reason for major price increases. I don't see maple as nearing extinction. Rosewood and the exotics perhaps but maple? Canada is full of maple.
I have about 12, 100+ year old ones on my property. Guess I could make a few kits. :)
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Old 08-07-2011, 04:32 PM
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I myself am already thinking of grabbing a Bubinga set just in case.

Curses!

It's amazing what a few words in print can do.

You know full well that people are snapping up exotics at an accelerated rate thanks to that article. Sneaky corporate types...
My buddies 6 piece Tama Babinga Elite comes in about a month. I am so looking forward to seeing how the sound compares to my Saturn's. I will try and put up an unbiased comparison review, when it gets here. Good luck with that. I will try though.
They cost twice as much, so they better be good. :)
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Old 08-07-2011, 06:56 PM
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Sticks4drums makes an excellent point about many drummers having the wrongful desire to change kits way too often.

This kind of problem makes me despise people like this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHk1zMuAka0
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I very much advocate recycling of wood whenever possible. Not only do you reap the sonic benefits of wood that's cured for decades, if not centuries, but the environmental benefits are pretty cool too.
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I very much advocate recycling of wood whenever possible. Not only do you reap the sonic benefits of wood that's cured for decades, if not centuries, but the environmental benefits are pretty cool too.
Agreed. Your mahogany prototype kit is just about the best advertisement for this. Unfortunately it seems unlikely that mainstream manufacturers are going to go around looking for second-hand wood sources in anything but their highest-end kits. It's the same for guitar manufacturers as well.
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Agreed. Your mahogany prototype kit is just about the best advertisement for this. Unfortunately it seems unlikely that mainstream manufacturers are going to go around looking for second-hand wood sources in anything but their highest-end kits. It's the same for guitar manufacturers as well.
I agree Duncan. It's not just the continuity of supply issue for the volume makers, it's the work associated with selecting & preparing woods from a range of forms. Mass makers require uniformity to make their operation as lean as possible. This means woods arriving in forms most suited to their processes (i.e. certain thickness sheets, etc). Recycling is far more viable if you're making stave or segmented shells.
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Old 08-08-2011, 09:00 AM
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These big companies better start coming up with plans to reforest.
Forget "big companies" .... nations had better start coming up with some plans
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Is this the first time anyone has bothered to worry about wood shortages?
Certainly not ... but the percentage of wood used in musical instruments is insignificant, when compared to consumption of wood by the housing, furniture, and paper industries.
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So I apologize for being one of those guys who changes drumkits like I change my underwear. I can't help myself. But what of those people who collect guitars and other wooden musical instruments? Hell, what about all that furniture being made and buildings being built? Houses? I think the Home Depot probably sells more wood in a month then Pearl uses to fill a shipping container to send drums to America. Personally, I'm not so sure instrument manufacturers are the prime culprits of deforestation.

I love my bubinga drums and because of the sonic properties I get with them, I'm not planning on selling them and getting a new set any time soon ;)

But you never know.
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So I apologize for being one of those guys who changes drumkits like I change my underwear. I can't help myself. But what of those people who collect guitars and other wooden musical instruments? Hell, what about all that furniture being made and buildings being built? Houses? I think the Home Depot probably sells more wood in a month then Pearl uses to fill a shipping container to send drums to America. Personally, I'm not so sure instrument manufacturers are the prime culprits of deforestation.

I love my bubinga drums and because of the sonic properties I get with them, I'm not planning on selling them and getting a new set any time soon ;)

But you never know.
I may be sentimental ... but, remember, if people buy fewer kits then that reduces demand, which then reduces prices for collectors :)
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I may be sentimental ... but, remember, if people buy fewer kits then that reduces demand, which then reduces prices for collectors :)
Yes Pol, but only short term. Longer term, reduced demand = lesser economies of scale = higher prices, especially in the budget kit sector.

Anyhow, I think Bo will keep the drum economy going on his own, what with his love for frequent kit purchases & his day job's lack of kit care. Tamaha wins again!
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Made me think of another good reason for my Saturn purchase. Thin shells, less wood. Plus they are nice and light to carry around. :)
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I may be sentimental ... but, remember, if people buy fewer kits then that reduces demand, which then reduces prices for collectors :)
I hear ya', Pol. However, even in this downed world economy, people are still buying drum kits. I say people are people and it'll never stop. For as long as there will be younger drummers coming up playing pots and pans, there will always be drummers who crave the newest and most expensive. And regardless if they ever get a gig, they always seems to end up with those dang drums their spouses all complain about ;)
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My buddies 6 piece Tama Babinga Elite comes in about a month. I am so looking forward to seeing how the sound compares to my Saturn's. I will try and put up an unbiased comparison review, when it gets here. Good luck with that. I will try though.
They cost twice as much, so they better be good. :)
Ask the manufacturer where the wood came from and how it was obtained. If they say they don't know or dodge in any way, you can assume it was taken without proper safeguards.
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So I apologize for being one of those guys who changes drumkits like I change my underwear. I can't help myself. But what of those people who collect guitars and other wooden musical instruments? Hell, what about all that furniture being made and buildings being built? Houses? I think the Home Depot probably sells more wood in a month then Pearl uses to fill a shipping container to send drums to America. Personally, I'm not so sure instrument manufacturers are the prime culprits of deforestation.

I love my bubinga drums and because of the sonic properties I get with them, I'm not planning on selling them and getting a new set any time soon ;)

But you never know.
Musical instruments are a tiny part of the issue, but they're in the mix and I am going to take responsibility for my tiny slice of the pie. Plus, homes and most furniture is made out of cheap, fast-growing softwoods in the US and Canada, or other commercial forests.

It's the jungles that grow exotic hardwoods that are most at risk. These are in Third World nations with corrupt politicians and desperate people. Some of them will destroy their forests, habitat and watersheds to sell timber, some of which will wind up in your drum set.
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