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Old 10-31-2009, 11:05 PM
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Default hi hat stands

i havent had the opportunity to play with expensive hi hat stands in my time of drumming

and was wondering whats the difference between a cheap 40 rotating base hi hat stand and a 150-200 hi hat stand



can anyone enlighten me :) ?
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Old 10-31-2009, 11:50 PM
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Some less expensive stands work just fine. You should try them before you buy. I have a stand that came with my Pearl Rhythm traveler, ( doesn't get any cheaper than that) It works well! I use it a lot.
I really like my Tama Iron Cobra lever Glide. Thats an upper mid level priced stand.
I have another Tama stand from the late 80s thats just OK.
Try before you buy. If you find a less expensive stand that works for you, go for it! Leaves you more cash for cymbals.
The same goes for bass pedals.
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Old 11-11-2009, 08:15 PM
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Definitely try things out.... preferably with your own hats (or same model). Heavier hats (or a "heavy" foot) probably warrant a stand with adjustable tension.

I use fairly light hats. Way back when, I used a DW 5000 stand. Awesome stand, but I always had it set at the lowest tension... nowadays I just use a new low end Ludwig stand. Works and feels just the same, but a third of the price.

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Old 11-11-2009, 08:28 PM
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Personally, the difference between a lower end hihat stand as compared to a higher end one (say, Sound Percussion to Pearl Eliminator) is not that big or groundbreaking, at least not when you do the same switch for bass pedals, thrones or cymbal stands.

So don't be fooled by the price tag, or the name brand.
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Old 11-11-2009, 08:35 PM
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I used a cheap Mapex stand for many years that came with my first kit with no problems. Eventually, one of the screws stripped but that was after I'd replaced it. Yeah, cheap ones work just fine for most people who just need a standard hihat stand.

The only real benifit I can think of for a more expensive one would be durability, which may or may not be an issue with you.
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Old 11-11-2009, 08:39 PM
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I too have used my first hi hat stand for over ten years now, standard Tama that comes with their swingstar sets. Works just fine and never had a problem. There are a lot better things to upgrade before your hihat stand.

The only thing Ive seen that would require a better stand is with heavier hats because the cheap stands may not be able to support the weight.
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Old 11-11-2009, 08:41 PM
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The ability to adjust the tension and the fact that a higher priced one is probably heavier. For several months I used to play on a cheap three legged SP hi hat stand, it was sturdy, but you kind of had to be sure footed for faster stuff. It did kind of make my hats sound a little crappy though. Decent stand though.

A couple of months ago I picked up a used DW9000 (two legged version) and that damn this is sturdy on a hard surface (like when I play in my friend's garage when we jam). However I usually play at home in an extra room that used be a patio and it's carpeted, not mention I've got an extra rug under the kit as well, so in that instance that damn thing tends to wobble around a little.

Try them out before you buy. The convenient thing with hardware (unlike cymbals) is you can try it out in the store and then go online and find a better (whether it new or used) and it'll be pretty much the same. With cymbals you could bet two of the exact same thing, and more likely than not you'll be able to hear a difference.
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Old 11-11-2009, 10:11 PM
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One thing that just hit me... that I should have mentioned... is that cheaper stands come with *really* crummy clutches. A good clutch really should have the ability to let you adjust the "felt" tension with a pair of nuts on top instead of just the bottom nut (which will "unthread" if not tight) .

For my inexpensive Ludwig stand, I spent an extra $12 and got the spiffy Ludwig clutch.

As for the rest, try before you buy.

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Old 11-11-2009, 10:19 PM
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I have questions

I have a Tama Roadpro hi-hat stand, how do you stop that "dook" or "clunk" sound when you open the hats?

...and how do those metal drummers get their hats so close to their kick drum?
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Old 11-11-2009, 10:42 PM
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I have questions

I have a Tama Roadpro hi-hat stand, how do you stop that "dook" or "clunk" sound when you open the hats?

...and how do those metal drummers get their hats so close to their kick drum?
It could be the top hat moving around too much on the clutch, try tightening up the nuts that are near the felts.

And the thing with the metal drummers. I'd say remote cable hi hats like so.
http://www.guitarcenter.com/DW-9000-...81-i1138527.gc

Or maybe a movable leg hi hat stand.
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Gibralta...94-i1275265.gc

A friend of mine has a Tama IC Lever Glide and apparently you can get those things to tilt towards you.
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Old 11-12-2009, 10:59 AM
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It could be the top hat moving around too much on the clutch, try tightening up the nuts that are near the felts.
NO, the clutch parts your talking about are in order.

The rubber stopper (on top of the chain) colliding with the tube is making the noise, this is meant to happen to stop the hats where they are once they spring back.
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Old 11-12-2009, 07:47 PM
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Pictures might help...can't really understand what you are talking about, but sounds bad.
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Old 11-12-2009, 08:18 PM
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If it's made of rubber you may need to replace it. It may have worn out and gotten thin, and now there's too much room for it too move around instead of it being smooth when the hats are open.

These may help below.

http://cachepe.zzounds.com/media/qua...42398a3ba2.jpg

http://www.tamadrum.co.jp/world/part...and/hh75w.html
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Old 11-12-2009, 08:42 PM
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I have questions

I have a Tama Roadpro hi-hat stand, how do you stop that "dook" or "clunk" sound when you open the hats?

...and how do those metal drummers get their hats so close to their kick drum?
Most drum companies make a clamp that attaches the hi-hat to the bass drum. Here's Tama's from GC web site: Years ago, Ludwig sold their top end hi-hat without legs for use with these clamps. Now you just take the legs off. The clamp will put the hi-hat footboard right next to the bass drum pedal if that's where you want it.

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Tama-MHA...17-i1135638.gc


The higher end hi-hats have bells and whistles that make the easier or more pleasureable to play, but biggest difference as someone mentioned is how well they hold up. Especially if they are set up and broken down every night and hauled in cases from job to job. The road is brutal on hardware.
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Old 11-13-2009, 10:52 PM
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I use the lighter weight DW 2 leg hat stand.

http://dwdrums.com/hardware/5500TL.htm

I've found it very stable and sturdy. I've had it for about a year+, and not a problem.

I need a 2 leg stand, but if I could use a 3 leg stand, I'd go for the 7000 stand.
I think it feels great , it's sturdy as heck, and it's light.

http://dwdrums.com/hardware/7500.htm

It doesn't have the plate on the bottom, but when I played it, it didn't seem to matter.

The Tama Road Pro stand is real nice, and the lighter Ludwig hat stands are real nice too--Like this one:

http://www.drumsonsale.com/ludwiglc7...and-p-972.html

Not saying buy it here, just showing the stand....it's double braced, but it's the smaller diam tubing that makes it lighter to carry (without sacrificing stability).

I've used the heavier stuff from Ludwig, DW and Gibraltar for years, and the new lighter stuff is just fine. I gig fairly frequently, and like a lot of people, I just got sick of hauling heavy stuff around (I even use the flat base cymbal stands--with 20 and 21" crashes no problem).

The lighter stuff isn't going to fall apart or fall over on you if you go that route (and it's less money).

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Old 11-16-2009, 12:59 AM
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The only reason I ever upgraded my hi-hat stand was for gigging purposes.
I needed something that was heavy duty enough for constant transportation and that would be reliable for touring. Suffice to say I got this; http://www.rainbowguitars.com/images...H905-xl-01.jpg

It was expensive.. but I doubt I'll be buying a new hi-hat stand in the foreseeable future, so it doesn't really bother me. It's also smooth.
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Old 11-16-2009, 09:52 PM
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Nice hat stand toddy. It is a smooth one.
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Old 11-17-2009, 03:59 AM
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Yes it is very smooth indeed, the 'strap' is really great, and it is very sturdy.
Also because of the 2 legs it is easy to setup to the inside of a slave double pedal.
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Old 11-17-2009, 09:55 PM
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I got that Tama one too! Absolutely love it! Well worth the money in my opinion. And like previously stated...you can tilt the whole thing toward you or even away from you.
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Old 11-21-2009, 04:28 AM
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if you don't need a heavy duty behemoth double braced hi-hat stand you can't go wrong with the Yamaha 700 series hi-hat (or what ever series that are now calling their medium duty single braced stands).

but if you have to go heavy duty then any Yamaha, Tama or DW top line stand will work great.
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Old 11-22-2009, 05:50 PM
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My most recent bang-for-the-buck hi-hat stand purchase is a 1966 Ludwig 1123-1 Spur-lock stand. Solid, light, and under $40 shipped to my door. :-)

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Glad I found this thread before starting another one. I currently use a Sonor stand that came with my 1st kit ( Sonor 3003). It's about 5 years old now and the rod that runs in the middle keeps coming unscrewed and also the pedal keeps turning away from we when I play. I have not found an adjustment for that yet but I have used loctite on the screw last week and so far the rod has not come unscrewed again but I am worried it will right in the middle of a gig of course.


Anyway I was looking at the DW 5500TD for $210.00 or the Iron Cobra HH805 for $152.00, both only have 2 legs but I am not sure that is all that important as I do not play a double pedal nor do i intend too but I guess ya never know.

I been reading reviews on Musicians friend and they both have good reviews and only a few bad ones. One guy wrote that the IC velo glide or whatever it's called has come unscrewed on him and that is something I fear.


Anyone have any thoughts on these stands or can you suggest another for the $200 or so I am willing to spend on this? I hate the idea of spending this much on a hi hat stand but I also don't want to worry about my hi hat stand breaking down on me at the absolute worse time.
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I recently p/u the 5000TD and it's nice but.................they use a lighter spring that the rod connects to which causes the top hat to drop a few inches when engaged. Took awhile to get use to feel and play of it. The only draw back is using a drop clutch if you play double pedal. It is hard to get it back to the position it was in before dropping it.
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I used an old vintage Ludwig hi-hat stand with the plastic linkage and the Speed King-looking footboard for years. About a year before I got my current set the linkage broke, so I went in on a Gibraltar elliptical-leg stand. It was solid as a rock, felt great, but very heavy.

I got a Yamaha 740 with my Stage Customs, and used that for about seven years until I decided to get a two-leg stand for ease of setup. I ended up with a slightly used PDP820. I found (like the other poster) that on carpet or uneven surfaces, it wasn't as steady. So I have a Gibraltar grabber post extended from my rack that holds it firmly in place.

Between the four of them (ranging in list price from $35 to $99) I haven't noticed any big differences or issues that make me want to pay any more for a hi-hat. The only other thing I've done is to switch out the felt washers for rubber ones, for a little more give on the top cymbal.

Maybe at the extreme high end there's a difference, but as long as the hats open and close cleanly, I think it's a $50-$150 price difference better spent on another part of the drumset. (That's not to say if someone gifted me a DW 9000 hat stand, I'd pooh-pooh it or anything...)
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Old 01-24-2010, 02:33 PM
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I ended up with a dw 7000 single brace.
http://www.musicplayers.com/reviews/...209_DW7000.php


I love the weight and don't have a need for a 2 leg stand as I dont play double bass nor do I intend to in the near future. I am setting it up today so I don't have any user reviews yet. Thanks for the tips guys
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I'm also in the same boat as a few other posters here in this thread (didn't want to start a new topic..) and am wondering which hi-hat stand to purchase. I'll surely try them in the store, but have any of you purchased Gibraltar a hi hat stand, and if so, do you have any feedback?
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I'm also in the same boat as a few other posters here in this thread (didn't want to start a new topic..) and am wondering which hi-hat stand to purchase. I'll surely try them in the store, but have any of you purchased Gibraltar a hi hat stand, and if so, do you have any feedback?
I saw one of Gibraltar's single-braced jazz hi-hat stands in a store one day. Intriguing - it felt pretty solid. The legs didn't spread out that much which kinda' surprised me, but really, the stand doesn't get knocked side-to-side, it's pretty much up-and-down, so this very light stand was pretty solid. Hadn't tried Gibraltar's others, though. I would think they'd be better since they're all larger.

It didn't stop me from upgrading to a DW5500D three-legged stand, though. I think you can jack a truck up on the 5500.
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Old 04-15-2011, 10:44 PM
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I saw one of Gibraltar's single-braced jazz hi-hat stands in a store one day. Intriguing - it felt pretty solid. The legs didn't spread out that much which kinda' surprised me, but really, the stand doesn't get knocked side-to-side, it's pretty much up-and-down, so this very light stand was pretty solid. Hadn't tried Gibraltar's others, though. I would think they'd be better since they're all larger.

It didn't stop me from upgrading to a DW5500D three-legged stand, though. I think you can jack a truck up on the 5500.
Thanks for the insight. I'm a new player, so I think I'll stick to something relatively simple and cheap, and Gibraltar has some affordable options. Also, I already have a kick pedal from them.
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Old 04-16-2011, 12:01 AM
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If you can find a Sonor 400 Series HH stand you should definately check one out.
They are heavy duty without being heavy. The legs swivel so you can adjust it to your liking (for a double pedal or what not) and you can adjust the pedal tention with the very well built click adjuster. It also looks great.
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I also just acquired a DW 5500D three legged stand. It might be a bit too robust for some, but I like it. Tama, Yamaha and Pearl all make great stands and all have many choices to pick from.

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Old 04-16-2011, 01:28 AM
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Thanks for the insight. I'm a new player, so I think I'll stick to something relatively simple and cheap, and Gibraltar has some affordable options. Also, I already have a kick pedal from them.
Gibraltar are reasonable. Not too sure on their pedals though.

I actually got an old Pearl hi hat from eBay yesterday for an utter pittance. It's a great stand - it might well be worth looking second hand. I got a great stand in decent condition for less than a quarter of the more modern equivalent and it's every bit as good as other stands I have played.
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