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Old 09-04-2009, 07:07 PM
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Actually, I may record "Fred" with Allan and Jimmy Johnson (after our next tour soon) for inclusion on my next electric album. Funny this question came up.

We play it at the moment, live, but I don't play the same double tempo hi-hat jazz beat with half time rock kick and snare - the Tony beat. I never like to play the same thing, and particularly since it's Tony I think of it as a tribute to him that I don't. I'm not sure what Chad Wackerman plays for the song. Maybe he's nearer to it, I don't know.

Sorry to be no help to you here. It's quite a tough beat to replicate though, Tony's version. I once tried to play that beat to myself, the way I think he does it and it's defintely not easy!

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Old 09-05-2009, 12:51 PM
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Actually, I may record "Fred" with Allan and Jimmy Johnson (after our next tour soon) for inclusion on my next electric album. Funny this question came up.

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Great to see your post and I just wanted to say that I am a long time admirer of your work.
I'd love to hear your version of 'Fred' so please do keep us posted on that!
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Old 09-05-2009, 02:28 PM
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Hi Gary
Great to see your post and I just wanted to say that I am a long time admirer of your work.
I'd love to hear your version of 'Fred' so please do keep us posted on that!

Hi Cuban,

Thanks a lot for your input here, much appreciate your words.

Keep in touch via the sticky thread under my name above - I'll announce all recordings and such like there etc.

Very best wishes.

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Old 09-05-2009, 04:45 PM
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Gary, Thanks for replying to my post. I admire and respect your playing and really appreciate your candid response. Tony's version is really intense and I will keep searching for help with it. That sort of "lilting" feel he has really carries it along and is soooo hard to replicate. I think what I've seen you do live works well and I look forward to your next recordings.


**Note to all: IMHO we are all very fortunate to have people like Gary and countless others on this forum that generously and respectfully give us their opinions, advice, and support. Instead of "guarding secrets" or using "smoke and mirrors" to keep us in awe, these folks really do want us to become better musicians by inspiring us with their talent, selflessness, and hard work.


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Old 09-05-2009, 04:57 PM
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Gary is here, folks:
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Old 10-30-2009, 12:00 AM
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Can anyone suggest any good LATER tony williams? I've got 2 albums, Million Dollar Legs, and Wilderness (all-star cast, metheny, hancock, brecker)...

I'm just not that impressed, I loved his earlier stuff, but I can't really get into this that much. I'm not sure if it's the style, but it just doesn't bite me as much.
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Old 10-30-2009, 06:13 AM
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Can anyone suggest any good LATER tony williams? I've got 2 albums, Million Dollar Legs, and Wilderness (all-star cast, metheny, hancock, brecker)...

I'm just not that impressed, I loved his earlier stuff, but I can't really get into this that much. I'm not sure if it's the style, but it just doesn't bite me as much.

Sure. "Story of Neptune" or "Tokyo Live". Both with his quintet.

Both great later period Tony offerings. Search them out and find them and fill your boots.....
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Old 10-30-2009, 03:19 PM
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Check out his concert video "Live in New York" from 1990 on released by BlueNote.
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Old 12-27-2009, 04:05 PM
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A real nice article about/on Tony and the influence that Miles had on him

http://www.culturekiosque.com/jazz/miles/rhemile28.htm
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Old 02-11-2010, 12:46 AM
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Can anyone recommend some of Tony's best work? I have Nefertiti, and I know he plays on that. I also might have some other stuff that he plays on and I just don't know it
To hear Tony pushing the envelop try Miles at the Plugged Nickel.
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Old 02-11-2010, 02:26 AM
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Tony williams is one of my favorite drummer's. His band is great and he's real good with Herbie Hancock as well. He is real good in Head Hunters and Empyrean Isle
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Check out his concert video "Live in New York" from 1990 on released by BlueNote.
John, I can't seem to locate this DVD anywhere. Do you know of any online shops selling it?

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Old 03-04-2010, 02:09 AM
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Sorry, I do not know where you can purchase Tony Williams Live in New York, try contacting BlueNote.

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Old 03-04-2010, 05:37 PM
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Is this the DVD you're referring to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqwmDNPegnM

"One Night with Blue Note"

I have this DVD, and it's good, but the camera work is "wanting" to say the least.
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Hey everyone. On those videos from Tony's drummerworld page, the Stockholm 1967 1-5 videos, does anyone know what type of cymbals he is using. Especially his ride.
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Do any TONY fans know the exact sizes of his classic YELLOW GRETSCH drums ? Thanks, drmfd
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Old 08-20-2010, 07:31 PM
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Just listening to "Nefertiti" by miles, and the song hand jive my tony himself. He gives that track a real solid, powering beat. Always seems to be pushing the time, his ride cymbal notes are all very squashed together, not spaced out ( which they could be)....really shows his style this album, always pushing it, cool stuff. But not a lot of swing, really shows you how great of a rock drummer he was! I know that at a certain speed, the swing does start to dissapear, but listening to some fast stuff by coltrane and elvin keeps the swing at fast tempos, like giant steps
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Old 08-20-2010, 07:52 PM
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his ride cymbal notes are all very squashed together, not spaced out ( which they could be)....but listening to some fast stuff by coltrane and elvin keeps the swing at fast tempos, like giant steps
I can't say I really agree with that assessment (that Elvin is swinging at a similar fast tempo unlike Tony), but also, what I really care about is whether something grooves rather than swings. Having to "swing" in this context I see as more of a purist concern.
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I can't say I really agree with that assessment (that Elvin is swinging at a similar fast tempo unlike Tony), but also, what I really care about is whether something grooves rather than swings. Having to "swing" in this context I see as more of a purist concern.
Well if you're looking at something in context and the context is a form of swing based based music it sure is nice when it "swings" like hell either at the hands of Tony or Elvin or others.

You can't just say well it grooves without taking a serious look and understanding of the context {and content} of the swing elements in the mix in this type of jazz based setting to this jazz veteran player's ears.

Lots of things can groove but not all of them can swing or be called swing based in its conceptual content on a case by case basis. Makes sense? Does to me....

Oh and Tony is swinging like crazy on Nefertiti or on the uptempo track Hand Jive just as much as Elvin does on with Coltrane on many of the live recordings at these burning tempos...all fits perfectly into the core conceptual roots and elements of swing based drumming and music. A different conceptual approach to uptempo swing by each drummer...yes...but the core elements of "swing" is still there in spades on both counts though.
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Oh and Tony is swinging like crazy on Nefertiti or on the uptempo track Hand Jive just as much as Elvin does on Giant Steps at these burning tempos...all fits perfectly into the core conceptual roots and elements of swing based drumming and music. A different conceptual approach to uptempo swing by each drummer...yes...but the core elements of "swing" is still there in spades on both counts though.
have to say I agree with you there. Tony's playing is super hot on that record....i think i waas thrown a bit by the different feels of the music. One one hand it doesnt really swing that much for me, but then on the other, it is a beautiful flowing feel that tony gives. Maybe he is just pushing the tempo? Which is kind of a trademark of his, and the opposite in elvin's case. But yeah, still "swinging"
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have to say I agree with you there. Tony's playing is super hot on that record....i think i waas thrown a bit by the different feels of the music. One one hand it doesnt really swing that much for me, but then on the other, it is a beautiful flowing feel that tony gives. Maybe he is just pushing the tempo? Which is kind of a trademark of his, and the opposite in elvin's case. But yeah, still "swinging"
Tony's whole thing was about the buoyant forward floating moving propulsion of the swing beat and pulse in the music.... the constant feeling of a plane accelerating leaving the runway into the air so to speak. What you're probably hearing is the conceptual differences between both music and player but don't kid yourself both Elvin and Tony swing hard coming from the same root "swing" jazz tree. Just 2 different ways of conceptually expressing it for {and within} the music for my ears has always been my take on the subject.
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Old 08-21-2010, 06:28 AM
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Art Taylor is the drummer on "Giant Steps".
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Art Taylor is the drummer on "Giant Steps".
Quite correct Jerome....

I was thinking Elvin on some of the later live recordings with Coltrane as a reference point and comparison but made the mistake on that one too.

Art Taylor another great original at swing and the propulsion of the beat.
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Old 12-06-2010, 06:46 AM
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Tony at his creative peak with the great Eric Dolphy (sound, no video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DWeYN14cWk

Tony was very much into the "avant-garde" movement of the time. He could swing you into bad health but he was completely comfortable in rhythmically freer settings.
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Old 12-14-2010, 05:24 AM
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This track with Tony changed my life as a drummer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BHlWwwgNwE

The entire 1964 My Funny Valentine + Four & More album did, really. This tune, along with All Blues and My Funny Valentine, in particular, were mind-altering for me. I had never heard a drummer play a ride cymbal like that. Tony swung the hell out of it but he also bashed it and made it shout. He played ridiculously fast turnarounds, altered feels and tempos to double, half or up or down a triplet at will. He drove the band with a huge range of dynamics and unexpected syncopations.

Most of all, he NEVER played a cliche. There were no "licks." He hit the drums when you didn't think he would, and he stopped before - or after - you thought he would. There was always an element of surprise with Tony. That tom roll didn't end with a crash on 1, it just... faded away. Sometimes.

Just a brilliant, genius musician.
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Mitch Greenburg, bisondrums.com,. who is building my new set...told me He knows a guy that has tonys old cymbals, and they are HEAVY!

Tony changed my life. No pun inteded.

Ron carter, tony, herbie, trane, miles I think some of my favorite jazz
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Hey everyone. On those videos from Tony's drummerworld page, the Stockholm 1967 1-5 videos, does anyone know what type of cymbals he is using. Especially his ride.

I was it is a 24 inch, and sometimes a 22 inch, but heavier than a traditional K of the time. Tony's touch made it appear to be a sound of a lighter cymbal, and also Tony played using his rebound fingers to determine execution. All fingers. different approach.he said he never hit a note he didn't intend. His ride patterns on "my funny valentine and four and more" on the faster tunes, almost, sarcastically, want to give up drums!

THe guy who actually has the cymbals wont get rid of them.
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Does anyone know any other albums apart from 'Seven Steps to Heaven' that hes appeared on with Miles Davis, which aren't live albums?

Filles de killamanjaro, miles smiles are two very good albums that aren't live
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Old 01-15-2011, 01:38 AM
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Filles de killamanjaro, miles smiles are two very good albums that aren't live
Also E.S.P. (maybe my favorite studio date with that quintet), Sorcerer and Nefertiti.
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An amazing album of Tony's that I recommend anyone to get is The Story Of Neptune. His rendition of Blackbird on it is just breathtaking.
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Greatest drummer of all time IMO. Tony Williams did no wrong.
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Only started listening to Tony recently - when I watched the New York DVD I was blown away. I've literally watched it daily for the last few weeks. Just listening to anything I can get my hands on with him, unbelievable what this guy did and I'm only scratching the surface of hearing it.
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Lately I've been looking up Tony Williams. The man sure had power, feel and a great pocket. Seems to me he had a thing for rock as well, judging by his powerfull style.
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My favorite subject, one I never get tired of discussing: Tony.

Tony burning the house down: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_whk6m67VE (I think the year on this is wrong. It says 1963 but Wayne wasn't in the group yet and Tony wasn't playing four-on-the-floor hi-hat that early. I've seen other stuff that looks the same from 1967, which sounds about right).

Tony more introspective and swinging beautifully. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs6rxYEvrns (his playing is so lyrical and free of cliches on this. Plus, it's a beautiful tune)
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Tony more introspective and swinging beautifully. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs6rxYEvrns (his playing is so lyrical and free of cliches on this. Plus, it's a beautiful tune)
One of Herbie's best. Famous for being an awkward tempo..and featuring Tony's softer side.

Byoutiful! Thanks for the reminder.

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I just stumbled onto this. These are unbelievable, the second solo probably my favorite Tony solo on video. Motherf*****.

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So great. I love the power involved in his groove.
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I just stumbled onto this. These are unbelievable, the second solo probably my favorite Tony solo on video. Motherf*****.

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Tonys solos hit some other level! The flams across the kit... Nobody does them like that.. Nobody does them/can do them.. Thanks for sharing!
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A must-have for all fans of Tony and this group. Can't wait! http://youtu.be/1-MFETNrGBU

Another cool performance. Check out where the bass drum beater strikes the batter head! http://youtu.be/JBwxnMPPYVs
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A must-have for all fans of Tony and this group. Can't wait! http://youtu.be/1-MFETNrGBU
I picked that up last week. AMAZING!!! Oh my God! Tony was a freak of nature and so far ahead of his time it's unbelievable!!!
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