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Old 01-10-2011, 02:18 AM
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Here's a couple of nice Phil Collins tracks.

The first one is with Jethro Tull in Deutchland 1982. I didn't know Collins even played with JT. But as you can hear, it was an excellent fit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndp0-...layer_embedded

Here is his new cd sounding like he's playing for Stax. It's Chester in the video. Collins on the audio.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1dRP...eature=channel

Gotta add this gem The Musical Box c. 1972

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W35wt...eature=related
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Old 01-18-2011, 06:00 AM
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Some really nice interplay and phrasing between Phil and his long-time musical companion Chester Thompson. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GsRt...eature=related
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progressive drumming, thats tough.
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Old 02-10-2011, 06:12 PM
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Just purchased Brand X's "Unorthodox Behaviour" and gotta say it's just brilliant. And that's the kind of drumming I love; jazzy, smooth, and fills that fits the songs
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Old 02-10-2011, 06:43 PM
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Just purchased Brand X's "Unorthodox Behaviour" and gotta say it's just brilliant. And that's the kind of drumming I love; jazzy, smooth, and fills that fits the songs
Phil was on fire back then.
I'm working on an article for a magazine about his drums right now and in one year, he made 15 appearences on albums outside of Genesis. No wonder his chops were smokin'!
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Old 02-12-2011, 03:42 AM
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he is a great drummer a fellow left handed what a genus :D
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Old 03-08-2011, 06:27 PM
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Can't believe I missed this thread! Jonh Bonham and Phil Collins were the drummers that actually made me pick up sticks. Phil is an awesome drummer, I've rarely heard anyone else that had such good "feel" for rhythms and fills. He could play heavy (Fly on a Windshield) or fast (Nuclear Burn), or anything in between. His Brand X stuff is great, as was so much of his other stuff (Freda, Steve Hackett, etc). "Sail on Solar Winds" from "Marscape" is one of my all time favorite songs, just great.

The Lamb lies down on Broadway - the whole damn recording is incredible.

I could go on and on. :)
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Old 03-08-2011, 06:30 PM
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I could go on and on. :)
Please feel free to do so!

More people NEED to know what this guy was all about as a drummer. Most only ever hear In The Air and think he is cool for that, but there was a time where he was the most sought after drummer out there...and for a very good reason!
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Old 03-08-2011, 06:51 PM
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Some really nice interplay and phrasing between Phil and his long-time musical companion Chester Thompson. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GsRt...eature=related
Not a lick of hair between them! LOL
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Most only ever hear In The Air and think he is cool for that
Sure. It's one of the great drum parts.

I loved his playing on Trick of the Tail but was really surprised by his Cobhamesque shredding on the Unorthodox Behaviour album when the album first came out. His combination with Percy Jones was mind blowing at times.

His commercial stuff was well done too but I found it sterile in that typical 80s pop way.
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Old 03-08-2011, 07:35 PM
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Sure. It's one of the great drum parts.

I loved his playing on Trick of the Tail but was really surprised by his Cobhamesque shredding on the Unorthodox Behaviour album when the album first came out. His combination with Percy Jones was mind blowing at times.

His commercial stuff was well done too but I found it sterile in that typical 80s pop way.
74-79 he was all about Jazz Rock and pulling impossible changes with great feel.

Like all of us, he went throught phases, staring out with Buddy Rich, moving on to John Bonham, but when I first got to know him in the late 70's, he was still heavily into Billy Cobham, Tony Williams and the percussionist Airto Moreira.

It shows, and those (well recorded!) Brand X albums capture those days in all their glory.

Marscape is indeed another fine example from that mid 70's period.
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Old 03-09-2011, 01:08 AM
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I got to sit behind Phil's kit when i did prof. stagehand work back in the 90's. I was suprised to see He was using a Ludwig speedking bass pedal!
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Old 03-09-2011, 11:29 AM
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I got to sit behind Phil's kit when i did prof. stagehand work back in the 90's. I was suprised to see He was using a Ludwig speedking bass pedal!
He still does to this day.
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He still does to this day.
But no more ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...=feeds-newsxml

That's two brilliant prog drummers of the golden age of prog - Phil and Bill Bruford - who have each announced retirement at age 60.
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But no more ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...=feeds-newsxml

That's two brilliant prog drummers of the golden age of prog - Phil and Bill Bruford - who have each announced retirement at age 60.
Sure, but it's not like he will never play the drums again, even if only for himself.

I am SURE, having got to know him a little, while he may never put out another album or tour, as his buys grow older, I think he will appear from time to time as a guest.
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I could also mention Phil's stuff on Robert Fripp's Exposure. :)

Cinema Show is probably my favorite play-along song.
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Old 11-16-2011, 01:26 AM
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Good Evening everyone, first time posting here and I wanted it to be on my favorite Rock oriented drummer. I managed to read the small amount of replies to this post and truly not surprised that many are not familiar with Phil's drumming asides for those that posted here.

As a drummer, Phil is highly distinctive in his hybrid style of playing. The mention of Phil's playing from 1974 through 1980, but to hear Phil playing live, now that is a different story. There is a reason why many of Genesis peers and his teammates thought him as the most musical member of Genesis, his drumming took the often stoic music of Genesis to different heights. And as great of a drummer Chester Thompson is, you could tell Phil takes over the song. But getting back to Phil's drumming you have the superb Genesis Live and the Brand X's Livestock but being a major Genesis fan, to truly appreciate how devastaing a drummer Phil was during the 70's, you must seek out Genesis' bootlegs from Selling England By The Pound and The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway and really see how great this guy was.


Phil is one of the few drummers from the UK Prog scene that possessed a soulful quality of to his drumming.

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Old 11-16-2011, 01:33 AM
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Phil is one of the few drummers from the UK Prog scene that possessed a soulful quality of to his drumming.
Welcome!

A very true statement, stemming no doubt from his roots in Motown etc.
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Yes Phils drumming on the 4 Tops tunes is memorable for sure. I liked his drumming on Finger Tips Part 1, you could tell its Phil right away, being a lefty and all.
Honestly has the meaning for the word "Great" changed over the years? Phil Collins is a better drummer than most musicians would give him credit to be. He has strength and drive and is a strong pocket player too. A drummer who can sing and accompany other vocals is a rare musician however GREAT I'm sorry that word has been watered down to the point of no return. Buddy Rich, Chick Webb, Elvin Jones are a few others that are/were Great! Phil Collins is not Great and sometimes opinions need to have some knowledge and experience to bare them out. Theirs actually people who think Sting is a Great bassists but they also have never heard of Ray Brown or Stanley Clarke so go figure that. Can't he be "really good" "a perfect fit for genesis" "extremely tastey" most of his unque style is that hes a lefty so strokes do have a sound and feel different for right handed players. I like Phils style and his approach to drumming I also like his use of cymbals but the word Great means exceptional and inventive and eminent. Sorry to rant on this but it gets ridiculous to keep hearing how every popular pop drummer are Great. Try hes my favorite or I really like his approach to the drums but Great is a word for exceptional and in pop music theres really very few musicians who are Great. Popular Yes!!! Charlie & Ringo & Keith & whoever are Unique to their audiances and those fellows fit their bands very well but Great? Com on, Really. Doc
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Old 11-16-2011, 02:13 AM
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Phil Collins is not Great and sometimes opinions need to have some knowledge and experience to bare them out. Theirs
I respect your opinion....but your wrong! ;0)

Have you heard his work on albums such as Selling England, The Lamb and countless 1970's sessions?

A totally different drummer to the '1980's Phill Collins style.

Did you know Buddy Rich had asked Phil to work with him just prior to his death? Does that not tell you something about the respect he had / has?
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Yes Phils drumming on the 4 Tops tunes is memorable for sure. I liked his drumming on Finger Tips Part 1, you could tell its Phil right away, being a lefty and all.
Honestly has the meaning for the word "Great" changed over the years? Phil Collins is a better drummer than most musicians would give him credit to be. He has strength and drive and is a strong pocket player too. A drummer who can sing and accompany other vocals is a rare musician however GREAT I'm sorry that word has been watered down to the point of no return. Buddy Rich, Chick Webb, Elvin Jones are a few others that are/were Great! Phil Collins is not Great and sometimes opinions need to have some knowledge and experience to bare them out. Theirs actually people who think Sting is a Great bassists but they also have never heard of Ray Brown or Stanley Clarke so go figure that. Can't he be "really good" "a perfect fit for genesis" "extremely tastey" most of his unque style is that hes a lefty so strokes do have a sound and feel different for right handed players. I like Phils style and his approach to drumming I also like his use of cymbals but the word Great means exceptional and inventive and eminent. Sorry to rant on this but it gets ridiculous to keep hearing how every popular pop drummer are Great. Try hes my favorite or I really like his approach to the drums but Great is a word for exceptional and in pop music theres really very few musicians who are Great. Popular Yes!!! Charlie & Ringo & Keith & whoever are Unique to their audiances and those fellows fit their bands very well but Great? Com on, Really. Doc
Sorry Doc, that's just your opinion and you are entitled to it, but in the Progressive Rock world, Phil Collins is a GREAT drummer made even more outstanding that he played in one of the most influential Progressive Rock bands of that era.

Sting usually get mentioned as a great bassist because he plays both the electric and upright bass and unless you tried to play both there are major difference asides the obvious.

But yes when you bring it to that point and deviating from the thread by bringing Sting and comparing him as a bassists to Ray Brown and Stanley Clarke, than it goes to the ponderous Neil Peart/Billy Cobham argument. On other forums, a poster would mention Neil Peart then someone else would throw a Billy Cobham's faster... Apples and Oranges.
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I respect your opinion....but your wrong! ;0)

Have you heard his work on albums such as Selling England, The Lamb and countless 1970's sessions?

A totally different drummer to the '1980's Phill Collins style.

Did you know Buddy Rich had asked Phil to work with him just prior to his death? Does that not tell you something about the respect he had / has?
John Bonham before he died, mentioned to a young Jason Bonham that he wanted to him to drum like Phil Collins. He loved Phil and Genesis so much that he gave his son two albums; Second's Out and Duke.

I read that Jason met up with Phil years later to tell him that story.

Josef Zawinul wanted Phil to play in his solo Syndicate group but Phil declined because he could not read music.

Drummers indebted to Phil Collins as a drummer: Neil Peart, Mike Portnoy, Nick D'Virgillio, Brann Dailor.
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Lets just say everyones Great!! Everyone who plays in a rock band that sold millions of recordings must have Great musicians in the band, right? I mean how can you sell so many records and become millionaires if your not great? Imposible ofcourse their Great Charlie Watts and Ringo are Great Drummers aren't they? Is Keith Moon a great drummer ofcourse he was he was a tremendous showman so he had to be Great, right? How come the Devo guy isn't Great oh thats right not enough Sales?? Or was he in a project years later were he showed his Greatness, I forgot. As to listening to Buddy spout out compliments my guess was there was some money floating his way cause the man didn't do much unless he would be heavily compensated for his time. Ofcourse Mr. Collins was Buddy's equal, hell if you paid Rich enough he'd say so just to retract it once the check cleared HA! Well I feel better to hell with the word GREAT it has little to NO meaning anymore. The new meaning is slightly to well above average and I won't forget it either.
Some think the jazz guys are a bit snobby when it comes to talking down about rock drummers but I know theres very talented players in the land of rock but not every guy is Great its ridiculous to hear this every other day. Theres so much hero worshiping on this forum I sometimes think I'm at a fan club meeting. Between swearing to the world that the drums they own are the sliced bread of drum companies to the exhaulting of a good rock drummer as a Great one starts to get a little juvenile. Again the children of the Rock Gods have spoken so let it be known the genre known as Rock only has Great Drummers. Doc
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I wasn't priveleged to see Phil and Genesis in their hey day ,having lived in Australia but I did go to the Invisible Touch Tour.

The audience all came for the hits and I came for the In The Cage (Los Endos) Medley.

Really boring audience they had.

Noone was really into em having only probably heard the latest stuff which I don't mind but I came for the proggy stuff and boy was I blown away.

When Phil came on to join fellow legend Chester Thomson(Zappa's One Size Fits All oyeah),I was amazed at the amount of left foot work he was doing with the hats.
He was doing a kind of splash with the cymbals in Los Endos.

Tony Banks wall of keyboards and the varilights creating this otherworld cave of colour-I was in heaven,transported to a greater place.

I remember as a kid thinking I was born in the wrong country even though now I've realised Australia aint bad at all and we have alot of talent but prog rock just seems to escape Australian listeners.

Hmmm.

I still know if Rush ever came here,they would sell out the 15k tennis Centre at least 3 times.

My wish is to see Rush perform in Australia.

My last wish.
No i'm not dying but the band I grew up idolising as a 14 year old teenager(now I'm 45) I might never see in my lifetime.

I even played in a band doing a few Rush covers as an 18 year old when I was a Rush freak.

I used to wear a cape LMAO for one metal gig I was that into Rush.

Missed out on Tull.

Anyway,was a fan of the 70s Tull so no loss.

Barlow,Anderson,Barre,Palmer(hes a she now but I still love her lol),Evans,Glascock.


Peart was the one and David Jones(Aussie legend) at a clinic who inspired me to be a better drummer.

I will cry tears seeing Rush in Australia.

I will cry.

Please Rush.

Come here just once!

I know it's hard to bring all the gear over and I know you don't like to compromise but it would be the most amazing thing on Earth.

All the Aussie Rush freaks like a family.
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John Bonham before he died, mentioned to a young Jason Bonham that he wanted to him to drum like Phil Collins. He loved Phil and Genesis so much that he gave his son two albums; Second's Out and Duke.

I read that Jason met up with Phil years later to tell him that story.

Josef Zawinul wanted Phil to play in his solo Syndicate group but Phil declined because he could not read music.

Drummers indebted to Phil Collins as a drummer: Neil Peart, Mike Portnoy, Nick D'Virgillio, Brann Dailor.
Buddy Rich never read music and practiced little and was the best drummer on Earth lol.

Noone has Buddy's touch on the drums.

Same with Phil.He had the touch.
Not as technical but he had what counted,moved the soul not the brain.

I love this Buddy quote

"how do you warm up?'

"I take my hands from my pockets"

LMAO.

Buddy legend.

Thank God Phil didn't read or Genesis music would be filled with polys and rubbish and the music would be destroyed!

He played from the soul.

Musician not mathemetician that's why he was a great singer.

Had the music in him.

If our heart played polys,we'd live to 30 hehe.

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Old 11-16-2011, 04:47 AM
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Phil had the whole package. Most have no idea just how good he was. I'll cite him as my personal biggest influence, partly because I was into old Genesis when I was in middle school and was relatively blank slate, and partly because to this day I still love his playing & that band. It wasn't a fad for me, he/they really were that good!
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If Mr. Alan Myers is not a great drummer due to his feel and technique...then some old/young geezer is head twisted for making such statement.

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I didn't get into Phil Collins until I heard about how much my favorite drummer Brann Dailor likes him. After listening to The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway I think Phil Collins is fantastic! The sound that he records his toms with that gated reverb sound I think is a very distinct, when he used to play live before his injury I loved his concert toms because they sound so different from the normal tom sound of deep low tuned toms. I hope he can play drums again one day so I could see a Lamb lineup of Genesis tour!
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I didn't get into Phil Collins until I heard about how much my favorite drummer Brann Dailor likes him. After listening to The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway I think Phil Collins is fantastic! The sound that he records his toms with that gated reverb sound I think is a very distinct, when he used to play live before his injury I loved his concert toms because they sound so different from the normal tom sound of deep low tuned toms. I hope he can play drums again one day so I could see a Lamb lineup of Genesis tour!
Foo Fighters Taylor Hawkins sings the same praises about Phil Collins. IMOF,

This is from the RHCP website, it was an interview they did a few years ago:

Flea: [Foo Fighters] are a completely different band than us. It's like, they are a nice bunch of guys, and I've never jammed with any of them, so I couldn't say what that would be like. But they are a completely nice bunch of guys. Taylor keeps talking about doing some sort of Genesis song.

John Frusciante: "Suppers Ready." [Laughs] He keeps saying, "We can go to the rehearsal room! 'Suppers Ready!'" It's like a half-hour song written by Genesis that was their most ambitious piece they have done to date. I couldn't come anywhere close to playing it on the guitar.
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Phil and early Genesis were huge for me when I was in high school and college. It might be kind of geeky, but if you stopped me on the street, I could probably sing to you the entire Lamb LDOB as well as various songs including, but not limited to: Battle of Epping Forest, Suppers Ready, Seven Stones, Return of the Giant Hogweed- pretty much anything up through Then There were Three.

Anyone who thinks Phil can't rip it up on the drums is silly. Here are a few of clips from his tenure with Brand X:

From the album Product, "Algon (Where an Ordinary Cup of Drinking Chocolate Costs £8,000,000,000)". It also features the late, great Morris Pert on percussion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpgwIiyJO5Y

From the album Moroccan Roll, "Disco Suicide":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdAPE...eature=related

Here he is singing Sanskrit lyrics(!) on "Sun in the Night" off of Moroccan Roll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5ov1xCZlWo

Here's a local YouTube artist doing an instrumental cover of "For Absent Friends". Phil sings on that cut on Nursery Cryme, his first lead vocal piece on Genesis' 3rd album:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WspmU...eature=related

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Oh jeez. Words can't say how obsessed my dad is about Genesis. Plays their music allllllllllllllllll the time. Since I was born. I swear I almost know the whole Genesis catalog by a lifetime of what I call, "Genesis by Osmosis" .Some days I'll get up at 8am to Cinema Show, eat lunch to Dance on a Volcano, try to watch a movie in the evening with "Supper's Ready" churning through the apocalypse section, then go to sleep at 1am with a twenty minute Chester/Phil battle raging down the hall. It's insane. INSANE!!

Btw a cousin of mine is a drummer in an emo metal band and her favorite drummer is Phil. Interesting...

JohnW: I'll watch the clips you posted when I get home. My dad will definitely be interested in watching them...
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30th Jan 1951, Born on this day, Phil Collins, drummer, singer, songwriter who was a member of Genesis, who had the 1986 US No.1 ‘Invisible Touch’, 1992 UK No.7 single ‘I Can’t Dance’ plus six UK No.1 albums. As a solo artist Collins had the 1988 UK & US No.1 single ‘A Groovy Kind Of Love’ plus six other US No.1′s and four UK No.1 solo albums. Not bad for someone who started his showbiz life in a West End production!


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Nobody makes concert toms sound the way he does. There is just something about his playing that I enjoy to watch and listen to. Phil is DA MAN!!!
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Old 06-02-2013, 07:50 PM
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Its a real shame considering his reputation now.

He was undisputedly one the greats when he was in his prime. Young punks would benefit in studying his amazing talent.

Top technique, great bouncy sound, very musical. He could lay it simple, and he could play very complex stuff too and it would still have a good groove.

I used to say that he mixed the funky style of music at the time with the power of rock. A Cobham/Bonham hybrid. I bet many drummers today have never heard of Billy Cobham!

Maybe his style of playing now is considered a little old-fashioned post-Weckl - he was quite "top-heavy" in his style in that he didn't use his feet as much as drummers today - even though his feet were as good as anyone, as he liked to point out!
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Old 06-02-2013, 08:08 PM
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I am currently working with Phil's son Simon and his new band, Sound Of Contact.

Talk about carrying the torch and then some!
You guys would do well to check the band out - debut CD 'Dimensionaut' is now out and the band are currently on a world tour.
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Phil Collins was an amazing drummer/musician. I read recently he had a spine injury that stops him from even sitting behind a drum kit. Anyone heard similar?

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Old 07-28-2013, 06:55 PM
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Phil Collins was an amazing drummer/musician. I read recently he had a spine injury that stops him from even sitting behind a drum kit. Anyone heard similar?

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Yes, Phil has retired from everything since last year. It's even a bit worse then that, he's dealing with depressions…

It struck me today how young Phil actually was. He was 19 when he joined Genesis in '70. On Genesis Live he is 22, at the Lamb tour he was 24/25. Simply amazing…
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Old 08-06-2013, 02:37 AM
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Yes Phils drumming on the 4 Tops tunes is memorable for sure. I liked his drumming on Finger Tips Part 1, you could tell its Phil right away, being a lefty and all.
Honestly has the meaning for the word "Great" changed over the years? Phil Collins is a better drummer than most musicians would give him credit to be. He has strength and drive and is a strong pocket player too. A drummer who can sing and accompany other vocals is a rare musician however GREAT I'm sorry that word has been watered down to the point of no return. Buddy Rich, Chick Webb, Elvin Jones are a few others that are/were Great! Phil Collins is not Great and sometimes opinions need to have some knowledge and experience to bare them out. Theirs actually people who think Sting is a Great bassists but they also have never heard of Ray Brown or Stanley Clarke so go figure that. Can't he be "really good" "a perfect fit for genesis" "extremely tastey" most of his unque style is that hes a lefty so strokes do have a sound and feel different for right handed players. I like Phils style and his approach to drumming I also like his use of cymbals but the word Great means exceptional and inventive and eminent. Sorry to rant on this but it gets ridiculous to keep hearing how every popular pop drummer are Great. Try hes my favorite or I really like his approach to the drums but Great is a word for exceptional and in pop music theres really very few musicians who are Great. Popular Yes!!! Charlie & Ringo & Keith & whoever are Unique to their audiances and those fellows fit their bands very well but Great? Com on, Really. Doc
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Old 08-06-2013, 02:41 AM
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Lets just say everyones Great!! Everyone who plays in a rock band that sold millions of recordings must have Great musicians in the band, right? I mean how can you sell so many records and become millionaires if your not great? Imposible ofcourse their Great Charlie Watts and Ringo are Great Drummers aren't they? Is Keith Moon a great drummer ofcourse he was he was a tremendous showman so he had to be Great, right? How come the Devo guy isn't Great oh thats right not enough Sales?? Or was he in a project years later were he showed his Greatness, I forgot. As to listening to Buddy spout out compliments my guess was there was some money floating his way cause the man didn't do much unless he would be heavily compensated for his time. Ofcourse Mr. Collins was Buddy's equal, hell if you paid Rich enough he'd say so just to retract it once the check cleared HA! Well I feel better to hell with the word GREAT it has little to NO meaning anymore. The new meaning is slightly to well above average and I won't forget it either.
Some think the jazz guys are a bit snobby when it comes to talking down about rock drummers but I know theres very talented players in the land of rock but not every guy is Great its ridiculous to hear this every other day. Theres so much hero worshiping on this forum I sometimes think I'm at a fan club meeting. Between swearing to the world that the drums they own are the sliced bread of drum companies to the exhaulting of a good rock drummer as a Great one starts to get a little juvenile. Again the children of the Rock Gods have spoken so let it be known the genre known as Rock only has Great Drummers. Doc
Sorry, what I meant to say is that you are a jealous sarcastic bitter snob.
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Old 08-06-2013, 05:52 AM
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Phil Collins is beyond great, he is an incredible drummer with an immediately identifiable touch/sound. I've seen him perform many times with Genesis as well as Brand X. I've been playing the drums for over 35 years, and I think I know a thing or two about music and drumming in particular. Anyone who doesn't think Phil is a great drummer, either hasn't heard enough of him, or doesn't really understand the instrument.
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