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Old 01-25-2011, 12:23 AM
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Lazaro at lidwishsoulutions is happy to announce that my patent has been issued, at the United States Patent and Trade Office (USPTO) for my low volume drum sticks. I am stoked and humbled beyond belief, and I also wanted to thank those of you who have consistently supported my efforts to create a drum stick and kick beater that actually works for quiet drumming. It probably won't in itself make you a better drummer, but you may be with the extra hours you can devote to practice and play without your neighbors, bandmates and family becoming upset with loud drumming.

Since the initial development 3 years ago, I have revised, improved, tweaked my invention that now has sold worldwide to professionals, bands, beginners, churches and everyone in the middle, Both versions of the sticks and the kick beater are effective and I've been surprised to learn that some have even adapted them to electronic kits.

Recently - This is what Rachel said:

I freakin love these things!
i love these sticks, and even more so the kick!
the kick pedal is the best sounding i have ever heard, no joke!
the way i have my set rigged i can play at 3 in the morning and nobody would hear but me! and the sticks are so light! perfect for my weak hands.
may i post on my page a quick blurb & link about you and encourage nyc drummers to give you a shout?? everyone who needs to practice quietly (which is everyone in nyc) will love these...
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Old 01-25-2011, 12:27 AM
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What are the sticks called? You have a site or facebook/myspace page?
I'd love to check them out.
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Not much of a salesman. Check here for details.
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Old 01-25-2011, 12:37 AM
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What are the sticks called? You have a site or facebook/myspace page?
I'd love to check them out.
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Old 01-25-2011, 12:57 AM
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Not much of a salesman. Check here for details.
http://www.lidwishsoulutions.com/
yeah...I missed it, what can I say? Excited about the patent. Thanks for the link though. You guys are faaaaast.
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Old 01-25-2011, 03:42 AM
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Wow very cool! Those look like a lot of thought was put into them, and from the video it seems like they work great! I don't like pads... it's just not very fun playing because the drums dont have much flavor. These seem like the perfect solution! I might have to get myself a pair... No more stopping practicing at 7:30 pm...
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I'm extremely interested in your product.

But ... I think the single video at your website does a poor job of illustrating what they can and can not do.

I think you need a better video, with an A/B of typical sticks and then your sticks, with the drummer trying to apply similar force with both.
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I'm extremely interested in your product.

But ... I think the single video at your website does a poor job of illustrating what they can and can not do.

I think you need a better video, with an A/B of typical sticks and then your sticks, with the drummer trying to apply similar force with both.
Agreed.......far too many unanswered questions. The A-B would be great. As would any info on distribution to the rest of the world - I know it surprises many Yanks, but there is a whole globe of drummers outside of America, who just may be interested. I know my wife would be keen on a product such as this. :-)

I like the idea, but I just don't see enough to form any real viable opinion.

More info please Shark.......these look promising....but I'd like you to fill in a few more blanks, if you would. :-)
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[quote=Frank;793468]I'm extremely interested in your product.

But ... I think the single video at your website does a poor job of illustrating what they can and can not do.


There are about 8 videos, all posted on youtube, and are on the videos webpage. On each side of the video are left or right arrows and they lead to the next one. Matt Poynter does two demos, and Kris does a few...I think I will change the player layout soon.

I will answer any question, but our testimonials on Facebook and on our website are absolutely 100% accurate. Many are members here or on other forums and are experienced drummers and teachers.
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Old 01-25-2011, 05:14 AM
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Agreed.......far too many unanswered questions. The A-B would be great. As would any info on distribution to the rest of the world - I know it surprises many Yanks, but there is a whole globe of drummers outside of America, who just may be interested. I know my wife would be keen on a product such as this. :-)

I like the idea, but I just don't see enough to form any real viable opinion.

More info please Shark.......these look promising....but I'd like you to fill in a few more blanks, if you would. :-)
We have sold a lot to Australia, Canada, the U.K. New Zealand Finland Brazil and even Serbia as well as every state in the US. We have friends/customers in Melbourne, Rockhampton, Sydney - Australian sales account for about 15% of our sales!

I also have videos on my Facebook page. The wives are usually the acid test on my sticks and I have yet to disappoint them. Here is the Youtube link to videos.

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I really don't see how they are volume reducing sticks. They still sound like drums being played with regular sticks. Just my opinion though. I'd have to try them out to give a full assessment.
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We have sold a lot to Australia, Canada, the U.K. New Zealand Finland Brazil and even Serbia as well as every state in the US. We have friends/customers in Melbourne, Rockhampton, Sydney - Australian sales account for about 15% of our sales!

I also have videos on my Facebook page. The wives are usually the acid test on my sticks and I have yet to disappoint them.
Thanks for your reply Shark.......I don't Facebook mate, but I'll endeavour to check out all I can. Not trying to be discouraging mate, as I said, I like the idea.....I'll investigate further.

As for the "wife test"? lol, man....yep, if you get wife approval, these things should walk off the shelves!! :-)
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Old 01-25-2011, 06:26 AM
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You don't have to Facebook to go to our quiet drum sticks page. Anyone can. the link is here so just hit the link. http://www.facebook.com/Lidwish.Soulutions or you can check out the videos directly on our playlist on you tube
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I really don't see how they are volume reducing sticks. They still sound like drums being played with regular sticks. Just my opinion though. I'd have to try them out to give a full assessment.
That's the beauty. They still sound like drums, just at a quiter volume. Whereas using pads don't sound like drums.
You can tell they're quiter by the videos.
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Could be butt I would find them useless if they are really loud. I wouldn't be able to play at 2am even if my volume was half reduced.
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Could be butt I would find them useless if they are really loud. I wouldn't be able to play at 2am even if my volume was half reduced.
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.ph...id=79051101460

Usually it's more than half the volume - Depending on your playing style, acoustics, room you play in and equipment - hey, they may not be for you, but we do offer a 30 day money back guaranty. Everyone seems pretty pleased so far with their purchase, but if your situation is as you describe it, you may need to take additional sound dampening measures.
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To celebrate my new patent...From now to the end of January, (January 31, 2011) I am shipping all orders over $49.00 for $5.00 USD FLAT - that means a set of sticks with a kick beater, or two sets of sticks, either version, or two kick beaters. Whatever combination you like.

Anywhere - Including Australia. $5.00 - the U.K. $5.00 - Chicago $5.00 Canada...same.

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I'm extremely interested in your product.

But ... I think the single video at your website does a poor job of illustrating what they can and can not do.......
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Omar from The Paradiddler just uploaded a new drum cover - he's using the Lidwish Soulutions Version 2.0 and Kick Beater. His wife appreciates the quietness, too.
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I don't know - I guess I'm just stoopid.

Still not getting it. Is there Any video where those sticks are A/B'd with regular sticks?
It's Impossible to evaluate the usefulness of these without hearing and seeing a video where the player plays the same way, with the same force/approach - with the two different sets of sticks. Am I the only one thinking this?
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I don't know - I guess I'm just stoopid.

Still not getting it. Is there Any video where those sticks are A/B'd with regular sticks?
It's Impossible to evaluate the usefulness of these without hearing and seeing a video where the player plays the same way, with the same force/approach - with the two different sets of sticks. Am I the only one thinking this?
Did you have a chance to read the testimonials on our website? Or our facebook page? http://www.facebook.com/Lidwish.Soulutions

We've been selling for over 2 years and they are definitely lower volume, but no matter what video I put there, I am now very much wishing my camera was working. In many of the videos the drummer is actually having a conversation, which is usually not possible with regular drumplay and regular sticks. On the other hand, you don't really see any comparison of the kind you describe with promark hot rods or cool rods, despite their claims either.

Our customers know, and I believe they are the best judges of the effectiveness and that they play just as normal wood sticks and normal kick beaters, with great rebound but without the volume. In addition, they do not scar your drum heads, splinter, leave wood shavings, crack or pit your cymbals, drive your friends and family out the door, make your church surround you in a drum shield, get the cops called on you by your neighbors or force you to use dead sounding drum pads.

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Sounds great. Get an A/B video going, and you might be onto something. Until then, the existing testimonials and videos don't tell us a whole lot.

If it was a 20 dollar item, it would be - sure, throw the 20 bucks away on a possible winner.
It's 50 bucks. For that many dollars, most of us need to know it is what we're looking for.
So far, the videos do Not close the deal. Not even close.
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Sounds great. Get an A/B video going, and you might be onto something. Until then, the existing testimonials and videos don't tell us a whole lot.

If it was a 20 dollar item, it would be - sure, throw the 20 bucks away on a possible winner.
It's 50 bucks. For that many dollars, most of us need to know it is what we're looking for.
So far, the videos do Not close the deal. Not even close.
The sticks are 25 dollars, the set, (with the kick beater) is $50. No one can please everybody all the time, even with a money back guaranty, but I am guessing by many of your posts you're not an easy man to please. The videos weren't made to close the deal, but shows they work just like regular sticks and kick beater. I don't believe I could satisfy your curiosity about these without you checking them out yourself and I sincerely hope you have the opportunity someday. It's been an interesting exchange.

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but I am guessing by many of your posts you're not an easy man to please.
That's very entertaining. :)

Give us an A/B video, and the orders will pour in. It's pretty simple.
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Congrats on creating what appears to be a great product,

I'm going to buy the sticks and beater just as soon as I recover from the recent winter related weather expenses that I have encountered.

Thank you, I have long been looking for something like this.
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Can we not just play softer with smaller sticks.? Does no one teach dynamics these days. Maybe everyone needs to spend three years in orchestra as I did to learn to play softer. I can buy 3 pairs of sticks for 25.00 and play softly. Where is the problem. I'm with Frank on this and I'm not hard to please. Where are the inflatable bearing edges??? In the video whoever is playing is barely hitting the ride cymbal so of course it is quieter and the bass drum would get me kicked out of the neighborhood late at night. Sorry I just don't see it.
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I have the ability to play soft with 7a sticks with no problem.
I like the way that the Lidwish sticks sound great on the cymbals.
They take the edge off while producing nice sound.
I feel that I could be even more dynamic with sticks like these.

I play with nylon Blasticks often.
I like them but they are disappointing on the cymbals.
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First off, I think the product is good.

But if you want to be taken seriously, then your website needs an awful, awful lot of work.

Testimonials are commonly used on scam sites. They need to go, stat. Testimonials scream of "phony'', regardless of whether they actually are or not - because they're easy to fake. The pictures could be Photoshopped, etc. There's just no need for them if the product is good - people will believe you if you provide enough evidence.

Which takes me to my second point. Good videos. You need professionally produced product videos that have been shot and mixed properly and then product comparisons. The first point of marketing is to generate a perceived 'need' and you're not actually doing that because nowhere can we see a comparison between these and traditional sticks/brushes/hot rods. Do that and you might generate more sales volume.

Thirdly, the look of the site needs to change. It's six years out of date. Hire a professional web designer with a decent portfolio to do it - looking at Maui design's Frontpage, they really aren't up to the job. Don't scimp out here, the website is your shop window to the World and it looks awful. 'Facebook' links on the frontpage dilute your brand and show your advertising as weak and ineffective. Make sure any web developer you hire doesn't use Flash unless it's necessary. Your product photos are shoddy, too.

Take something like the BBC News Website:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/

Block colours, easy links, simple layout. There's a lot on there, but it's organised and presented minimalistically. It's a good website.

Engadget:

http://www.engadget.com/

Again, simple colours. A bit more going on here, but not a long page full of (useless) writing. Everything is linkable, the actual front page is minimal, even though there's a lot there.

This does cost money to do properly, but it isn't hard to learn if you need to. I really think you should do some work on the website, because I actually want you to succeed! You have a good product let down by an awful website.
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Can we not just play softer with smaller sticks.? Does no one teach dynamics these days. Maybe everyone needs to spend three years in orchestra as I did to learn to play softer. I can buy 3 pairs of sticks for 25.00 and play softly. Where is the problem. I'm with Frank on this and I'm not hard to please. Where are the inflatable bearing edges??? In the video whoever is playing is barely hitting the ride cymbal so of course it is quieter and the bass drum would get me kicked out of the neighborhood late at night. Sorry I just don't see it.
You are absolutely right about the low volume dynamics and technique but even our experienced and professional drummers have said these sticks and kick are also worthy of being in their bag.
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First off, I think the product is good.

But if you want to be taken seriously, then your website needs an awful, awful lot of work.
That's where I was coming from. But for offering up some feedback, after stating I was extremely interested, I was told that I was "difficult to please." Way to sell, brother.

I would have already ordered some if there was even a Single video that demonstrated what they do and not do - via A/Bing.

I Frequently work on low volume technique, but I'm also Frequently on the look out for other
low volume solutions. Always, always interested in these things.
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That's where I was coming from. But for offering up some feedback, after stating I was extremely interested, I was told that I was "difficult to please." Way to sell, brother.
Sorry you took some offense, but none intended. Ok, I'll ask the question - what is a/b?
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Sorry you took some offense, but none intended. Ok, I'll ask the question - what is a/b?
To compare them side by side. Have someone get on a kit, play some things with regular sticks, then play the same thing, with the same force applied, with your sticks. That will be a useful illustration to us.
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Sorry you took some offense, but none intended. Ok, I'll ask the question - what is a/b?
before and after
with your stick and then standard stick.

BTW, congrats on the patent. Not an easy gig. I hope you do very well.

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Then have a video that tries to explain how your sticks achieve what they achieve.

Explaining:

- What is that in the middle of the stick? Is that a joint of some sort?
- What is that tip? Is that hard metal, or something flexible?
- What's the difference between the Ultra and Classic design?
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First off, I think the product is good.

But if you want to be taken seriously, then your website needs an awful, awful lot of work.
I cannot agree with you more on so many levels. The website needs concise content, layout and a lot more whitespace. The examples you used are more what I had in mind, but without the web skills, or the budget at this time...I'm a small company, I surf, I skate, and the USPTO just gave me a (expensive) patent, which cannot be faked. I'll work on it though.
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I cannot agree with you more on so many levels. The website needs concise content, layout and a lot more whitespace. The examples you used are more what I had in mind, but without the web skills, or the budget at this time...I'm a small company, I surf, I skate, and the USPTO just gave me a (expensive) patent, which cannot be faked. I'll work on it though.
I'm glad you take my critique graciously. I wish you the best of luck.
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To compare them side by side. Have someone get on a kit, play some things with regular sticks, then play the same thing, with the same force applied, with your sticks. That will be a useful illustration to us.
Thats my point. I could sit there with a broom handle and play softly and say see they don't make noise, which is exactly what the player in the video is doing on the ride cymbal. Along with no comparison of yours and real sticks that video looks like one of those 19.95 TV commercials where an actor does something so obvious to make it look real it looks totally fake. His technique is so stiff in an effort not to make any noise I'm surprised he didn't hurt himself. when I see someone really lay into a drum or cymbal and it's quiet I'll believe it. Until then my 7.95 7A sticks will do fine. And if you use regal tip nylon you can play even lighter and get good stick sound on the ride cymbal at low volume.
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Until then my 7.95 7A sticks
If you like 7A's, as I do, then you might like the ones I recently discovered.
Vater has 7A Sugar Maples. Sugar Maple is a significantly lighter wood.

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Thats my point. I could sit there with a broom handle and play softly and say see they don't make noise, which is exactly what the player in the video is doing on the ride cymbal. Along with no comparison of yours and real sticks that video looks like one of those 19.95 TV commercials where an actor does something so obvious to make it look real it looks totally fake. His technique is so stiff in an effort not to make any noise I'm surprised he didn't hurt himself. when I see someone really lay into a drum or cymbal and it's quiet I'll believe it. Until then my 7.95 7A sticks will do fine. And if you use regal tip nylon you can play even lighter and get good stick sound on the ride cymbal at low volume.
And my point is that if you wish to play your drums with a hard driving stick attack then no these are not for you. These sticks and kick beaters are rather for one who grooves some unplugged r&b reggae jazz lite rock. Someone who would wish too play at a lower velocity thus creating a lower sound dynamic. To play our stick you would need to understand brush play theory and so if you fuse stick and brush technique. Then you will have the perfect ultra tones technique. So if the drummers look like their playing lite they are - that's the point of lower volume play. Now I do realize that will not suit everyone for over 99.9 of our customer that is the case - after over 3000 sales, we've had 3 returns. I would like to thank you very much for you thoughts and your kind input. Aloha
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Until then my 7.95 7A sticks will do fine. And if you use regal tip nylon you can play even lighter and get good stick sound on the ride cymbal at low volume.
Funny you should mention the Regal Tips - you are absolutely correct, they are about the lowest volume wood stick on the market, and it is exactly why I exclusively use the 16" nylon tip Regal Jazz Stick to compare noise levels with my stick. To this day it is the stick I use to play. Now with that being said, I guaranty you money back that my product will play significantly at lower volume than that stick by about 40% more or less depending on technique. Like all drum stick products, they are drummer dependent. The ability of the drummer to use techniques from the softest, such as brushes, or harder play, such as in marching band or hard rock, what we're hoping to do with the Ultra Tones is to give drummers another option in using their acoustic kit. Yes, it is true what you have observed in our videos in that the drummers are not playing all out. So for that reason our sticks will never replace good old fashioned rudiment play with an obvious harder strike that you would find in products such as drum practice pads. Not to limit the Ultra-Tones to just soft play, you can play with a harder striking velocity. You'll just sacrifice lower sound dynamic.
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