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Old 01-17-2011, 02:10 AM
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I was playing today and my Gibraltar stands were wiggling and rocking back and forth!
I went to my closet and pulled out some old SP (Sound Percussion) 30$ stands, and to be honest I like these more! I don't really have any more wiggle on my crash's and splash's stands.
Good thing is that I'm getting DW stands!!!!
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Old 01-17-2011, 02:24 AM
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Joey, Are you ever happy with what you have?
When I was 15 all that I cared about was that I had cymbal stands.
If they wiggled a bit it wasn't a problem for me.
As long as I could hang a pie on them I was good to go.

All stands flex a bit.
Its normal!
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Old 01-17-2011, 02:27 AM
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Where's Leslie ??? We'll get some add'l input .
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Old 01-17-2011, 02:29 AM
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i have really really light weight stands from pdp. i hate how they rock, but i just added a sandbag onto the bottom to stop the rocking. i'm gonna see if i can mount my toms on the stands or not. and good thing i didnt buy any gibraltar stands when i started out.
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Old 01-17-2011, 02:35 AM
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Joey, Are you ever happy with what you have?
When I was 15 all that I cared about was that I had cymbal stands.
If they wiggled a bit it wasn't a problem for me.
As long as I could hang a pie on them I was good to go.

All stands flex a bit.
Its normal!
These are ROCKING though! To where my 300+$ pies are about to go to the ground!
I had to catch the stand and that's when I knew!
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Old 01-17-2011, 02:39 AM
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Sounds like a setup issue to me. I have the double braced gibraltar stands and they dont even move an inch. They will if i have a heavy cymbal right at the end of a boom and smash it, but that just common sense stuff.

I even use a gibraltar snare stand and its amazing, it doesnt even move, and i only have the legs half extended. I would take a better look at your setup and see if that works
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Old 01-17-2011, 02:41 AM
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Why don't you just tighten them up?
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Old 01-17-2011, 02:47 AM
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had me same gibraltar hardware for about 6 - 7 years now (don't remember which model though - nothing top notch, that's for sure) and i can't say i've had any problems with them. they are about as rock solid as they can get. the same goes for the cymbal as well as the snare stand.

check your setup, man :)
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Old 01-17-2011, 02:51 AM
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If you mean that they're rocking because of how far they are boomed out with a cymbal on them, check that your boom arm is in line with one of the three legs on the base.
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Old 01-17-2011, 03:14 AM
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The booms have about 8-9 inches of boom left.
The snare stands I agree with! I have 3.
The cymbals booms are in line with one leg as well!
I'll just go to DW in a month or something. 6000 series.
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Old 01-17-2011, 04:56 AM
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The booms have about 8-9 inches of boom left.
The snare stands I agree with! I have 3.
The cymbals booms are in line with one leg as well!
I'll just go to DW in a month or something. 6000 series.
For total rigidity I wouldn't go for DW's 6000 series. They're OK if you never expect to add a tom mount, but for something a little heavier and sturdy, check out their 7000 single brace or their 5000 double brace stands if you must have DW hardware. I have the 9000 series and can hang just about any multiples from them. They're heavy, so they usually stay in the studio.

There are a lot of different makes of hardware out there that are very road worthy. Manufacturers that come to mind are Yamaha, Tama and Pearl. I use them all and haven't had a bit of problems with them.

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Old 01-17-2011, 05:04 AM
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For total rigidity I wouldn't go for DW's 6000 series. They're OK if you never expect to add a tom mount, but for something a little heavier and sturdy, check out their 7000 single brace or their 5000 double brace stands if you must have DW hardware. I have the 9000 series and can hang just about any multiples from them. They're heavy, so they usually stay in the studio.

There are a lot of different makes of hardware out there that are very road worthy. Manufacturers that come to mind are Yamaha, Tama and Pearl. I use them all and haven't had a bit of problems with them.

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Does a 5000 cost more or less than a 6000. Also I'm not going to pay that much for a 9000 Cymbal stand!
I don't hang toms from my stands. I hang them on tom stands
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Old 01-17-2011, 05:19 AM
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Joey I think that you need this rack for your kit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcEpVF3lGVU
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Old 01-17-2011, 05:28 AM
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Joey I think that you need this rack for your kit.
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Christ......does Bozzio actually see any of his pay cheque? That's a hell of a lot of drum techs on the pay roll!! :-)
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Old 01-17-2011, 05:31 AM
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I would hate to be one of his techs!
Its like someone looks at your resume, and it says Terry Bozzios Drum Tech.
Instant job!
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Old 01-29-2011, 07:50 PM
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Joey, Are you ever happy with what you have?
When I was 15 all that I cared about was that I had cymbal stands.
Quoted for truth.

I'll have to dig through my parents' garage and find my old ride stand. I welded it up from scrap steel, used it for years. Ugly, and completely non-adjustable, but it held my ride out over my bass drum just fine.
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Old 01-29-2011, 08:49 PM
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Quoted for truth.

I'll have to dig through my parents' garage and find my old ride stand. I welded it up from scrap steel, used it for years. Ugly, and completely non-adjustable, but it held my ride out over my bass drum just fine.
Some of the kids that come on here have gear that would make some pros blush!
I don't have anything against them having it.
More power to them!
I just don't see the need.
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Old 01-29-2011, 09:57 PM
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Just bought a counter-weight for the boom, and its perfect!
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Old 01-29-2011, 10:14 PM
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Did you ever think about getting rid of one of your rack toms and bolt a cymbal mount holder to your bass drum. I attached a gibraltar cymbal mount holder to my Gretsch Catalina Club Jazz bass drum. I love it. One less cymbal stand to lug around, and the cymbal is in a better positioned to play on, instead trying to get the cymbal stand legs in a good playing postion because the stand legs are hitting the bass drum or floor tom, or its to close to the rack tom. I think it looks cool and its a throw back from the old kits.
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Old 01-29-2011, 10:17 PM
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Did you ever think about getting rid of one of your rack toms and bolt a cymbal mount holder to your bass drum. I attached a cymbal mount holder to my Gretsch Catalina Club Jazz bass drum. I love it. One less cymbal stand to lug around, and the cymbal is in a better positioned to play on, instead trying to get the cymbal stand legs in a good playing postion because the stand legs are hitting the bass drum or floor tom, or its to close to the rack tom. I think it looks cool and its a throw back from the old kits.
I don't have any toms mounted on my bass. I play a "virgin" kick drum, and the one rack tom I have is to the left of the bass.
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Old 01-29-2011, 10:23 PM
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I may be wrong but both stands seem to be made my the same factory???
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Old 01-29-2011, 10:55 PM
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I may be wrong but both stands seem to be made my the same factory???
Not to try and sound cocky or rude, but what does that have to do with anything?
Does that affect something?
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Old 01-29-2011, 11:13 PM
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Not to try and sound cocky or rude, but what does that have to do with anything?
Does that affect something?
Yeah, it means you have to buy a whole new kit every three months with some magic beans.
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Maybe the reason they rocked back and forth (or was it to and fro?) was because, (follow me here) if the tripod legs, viewed from the ceiling, are pointing in the direction of 12 o'clock, 4 o'clock and 8 o'clock...the boom needs to be pointing in the direction of 12 o'clock, 4 o'clock or 8 o'clock.

If the boom is pointing to say 2 o'clock, 6 o'clock, or 10 o'clock...that's when they fall over.
Your stand is fine. The way your legs point in relation to the boom, that's the problem.

DW's will do the same thing, any boom will.

Whoops, just realized Phillippe already said this.
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Old 01-30-2011, 12:04 AM
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Maybe the reason they rocked back and forth (or was it to and fro?) was because, (follow me here) if the tripod legs, viewed from the ceiling, are pointing in the direction of 12 o'clock, 4 o'clock and 8 o'clock...the boom needs to be pointing in the direction of 12 o'clock, 4 o'clock or 8 o'clock.

If the boom is pointing to say 2 o'clock, 6 o'clock, or 10 o'clock...that's when they fall over.
Your stand is fine. The way your legs point in relation to the boom, that's the problem.

DW's will do the same thing, any boom will.

Whoops, just realized Phillippe already said this.
My boom was always aligned with one of my legs, I know that already :).
I'm just not sure why this happened, but I solved the problem.
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It sounds like your legs may not be spread far enough apart.
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It sounds like your legs may not be spread far enough apart.
It was a 16" cymbal and the legs were spread 20+ inches.
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Judging by the video I watched of you, joey, when you posted this your cymbals were cranked up about head high and you were striking them pretty much at right angles into the edge. With a stroke like that, the cymbal can't move because you're hammering it back into the cymbal tilter. So yes, your cymbal stands were what moved.

If you've indeed done what you say you have, lowered your stands closer to the top of your rack tom, and brought the boom in so that you actually have a lower center of gravity, and strike across the cymbal in glancing blows - I bet those stands will act a lot more stable.

Looking at the picture that is currently your avatar, you have captioned, "Don't worry, I've lowered the cymbals!" With your toms that low, you could actually bring your crashes down until they're even with your hi-hats. You might notice improved accessibility that way...
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Old 01-30-2011, 03:11 AM
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Judging by the video I watched of you, joey, when you posted this your cymbals were cranked up about head high and you were striking them pretty much at right angles into the edge. With a stroke like that, the cymbal can't move because you're hammering it back into the cymbal tilter. So yes, your cymbal stands were what moved.

If you've indeed done what you say you have, lowered your stands closer to the top of your rack tom, and brought the boom in so that you actually have a lower center of gravity, and strike across the cymbal in glancing blows - I bet those stands will act a lot more stable.

Looking at the picture that is currently your avatar, you have captioned, "Don't worry, I've lowered the cymbals!" With your toms that low, you could actually bring your crashes down until they're even with your hi-hats. You might notice improved accessibility that way...
I'll do that now actually! Lets see how it works out!
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