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Old 01-27-2011, 06:46 AM
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Default Heads... How important are they?

I was just thinking about heads, and I started to wonder about the importance of them.

There are 2 main elements to the sonic qualities of a head. Tone and sustain.
Both of these things can be altered by tuning. I can make an emperor have a veru bright tone and long sustain or a deep tone and short sustain or any other combo.

So what is the real importance of heads? If we can achieve all the different tone and sustain qualities by tuning, then it seems that heads or not as important as we think.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?
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Old 01-27-2011, 06:49 AM
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Every head is made different. Some are 2 ply some are 1 ply. You wont be able to get the same tone tuning a 2 ply than a 1 ply. So I do think heads are important.
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Old 01-27-2011, 07:44 AM
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Default Re: Heads... How important are they?

If you are ok with feel and response of using the same head at all tuning ranges, rock on.

I think there is feel and stick response factor involved also when trying to tune in pitch ranges the single or 2ply head was not designed for. I also believe tighter tuned heads will dent easier than those tuned just past the wrinkles. You make a good point and yes, pitch can be matched between the two different head styles but they will never sound EXACTLY the same.
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Old 01-27-2011, 05:47 PM
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If someone tunes their drums so batter and reso are exactly equal in pitch in other words no pitch bend then there would definitely be a difference b/w heads. I use super 2 clears and tune both sides same pitch, this head provides the exact sustain/decay stick response and attack that I desire at same pitch. In other works I don't have to tune my reso higher to shorten sustain.
The G2/emperor is too thick and gives me too much sustain. The regular g1/ambassador is too thin and gives me more attack than I like.

I choose not to tune my heads for a certain amount of sustain or decay. I tune them open and allow the head to do its thing.
I hope this is clear.
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Old 01-27-2011, 05:50 PM
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Without my head, I'd have nowhere to put my hat on!

I also wouldn't have been able to construct this infinitely witty response to your query.
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Old 01-27-2011, 07:02 PM
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We like to define three main sonic qualities to drumheads:
Attack, Sustain, Tone

We like compare our drumheads using these three characteristics as well as the level of durability. That's why you'll see those "EQ-style" bars on the product pages and packaging for our drumheads.

Drumheads make all the difference in how your drums sound. A single-ply head vs. a two-ply head, clear vs. coated, no muffling vs. pre-muffled; there are many different possibilities when it comes to altering the sound of the drums through different head configurations.

Yes, you could alter the tuning to make a super thin reso head (say a 7.5mil) have a greater sustain. But you'd maximize the effect by choosing a thicker yeah (10 or even 12mil single-ply).
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Old 01-27-2011, 07:08 PM
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Default Re: Heads... How important are they?

Just try to get a Remo Coated Diplomat to sound like an Evans Hydraulic. Probably not going to happen.
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Old 01-27-2011, 08:00 PM
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Just try to get a Remo Coated Diplomat to sound like an Evans Hydraulic. Probably not going to happen.
Beat me to it. For that matter, try getting a Coated Ambassador to sound like a Pinstripe, or a Ludwig Weathermaster BD head to sound like a Superkick 2.
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Old 01-27-2011, 08:06 PM
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Default Re: Heads... How important are they?

I would say the heads are more important than the shell material. If the bearing edge is good, almost any drum can sound good with the right heads and good tuning. IMHO, heads and tuning of them are the most important part of a drum's sound. Peace and goodwill.
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Old 01-27-2011, 09:28 PM
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Just try to get a Remo Coated Diplomat to sound like an Evans Hydraulic. Probably not going to happen.
I actually want to amend my statement. You could do that by applying several truckloads of moon gel to the heads.

Just try to get an Evans Hydraulic to sound like an Remo Coated Diplomat.
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Old 01-28-2011, 01:43 AM
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Default Re: Heads... How important are they?

Hey guys I have 2 questions about remo heads sorta unrelated to this...

1. Do pinstripes have as much muffling as PS3's and 4's or do they have more or less? My PS3's are a bit too muffled when recording, so do pinstripes have the same muffling and sustain?

2. Are controlled sound's used on toms? If so, is it the clear, the coated, or the smooth white?

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Old 01-29-2011, 02:06 AM
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Yes, one can use Remo Control Sound (black dot) heads on toms. Master drummer Tony Williams used black dot heads on both side of his toms, and he sounded great. Peace and goodwill.
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Old 01-29-2011, 02:48 AM
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1. Do pinstripes have as much muffling as PS3's and 4's or do they have more or less? My PS3's are a bit too muffled when recording, so do pinstripes have the same muffling and sustain?
PS3's are supposedly more lightly muffled than pinstripes, but I've also heard the other way around.

According to Remo:

"Clear PinstripeŽ heads are made with two 7-mil MylarŽ plies, and have quick decay, making them ideal heads for the “fat” sounds of Pop, Rock and R&B and for those who want a low pitched sound with moderate attack and response characteristics."

"The Clear PowerstrokeŽ3 features a thin underlay at the outer edge of the head to subtly dampen unwanted overtones. This creates a near-perfect balance of response and tone control that has quickly made Powerstroke 3 one of Remo’s most preferred drumheads."
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Old 01-29-2011, 02:51 AM
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2. Are controlled sound's used on toms? If so, is it the clear, the coated, or the smooth white?


Nuff' Said.

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But seriously. Heads are a matter of personal preference. There are no cut-and-dry rules on which heads go on which drums. Any of the CS heads would work on toms, it's just up to you to decide which ones you like the sound of.
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Old 01-29-2011, 04:06 AM
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Without reading ALL of the responses......heads are very important. I had a cheap kit (Camco by Tama.....still own it) 24 years ago and Pinstripes made it sound deep, fat and smooth. I now have a Pro Mapex Saturn and Clear Ambassadors are best for the Toms, Coated Ambassador for the BP Snare, and the PS3 for the Kick. Tuning does play a big part. You need to try several heads and spend some Ca$h to find out.
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Old 01-29-2011, 06:38 PM
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Default Re: Heads... How important are they?

A couple of years ago, I remember reading an article in Rhythm Magazine (I believe) on drum heads and tuning. Someone in the article had stated that up to 80% of the drum's sound comes from the head. Definitely take your time and try to find the right head for the sound you're looking for.
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Old 01-29-2011, 07:31 PM
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A couple of years ago, I remember reading an article in Rhythm Magazine (I believe) on drum heads and tuning. Someone in the article had stated that up to 80% of the drum's sound comes from the head. Definitely take your time and try to find the right head for the sound you're looking for.
And take time to appropriate tune the heads. It doesn't matter what you've got on your drums if you don't bother to spend some time getting the right tuning.
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