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Old 01-22-2011, 04:19 AM
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Default EMAD muffle issues

Hey Everyone,

So I recently put on an Evans EMAD head on my bass drum and love the sound of it.
I read about the rings coming off or cracking in the past but that issue is now resolved. However, the foam muffle pieces come off after a few minutes of playing. Sometimes it's the thicker piece, sometimes the thin piece.I was sure to make each piece as secure as can be but they still come off, it's a real pain in the arse! I could glue them together lightly but I don't want to have to do that just in case I want to take one off.

Am I missing something or is anyone else experiencing this too?
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Old 01-22-2011, 04:22 AM
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You are only supposed to use ONE of the foam rings at a time. They give you two foam rings so you can have 3 options: no muffling, light muffling, and heavier muffling.
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Old 01-22-2011, 04:27 AM
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You are only supposed to use ONE of the foam rings at a time. They give you two foam rings so you can have 3 options: no muffling, light muffling, and heavier muffling.
Ah! *Slaps hand to head* man do I feel like an idiot!

I swear I read somewhere that you used both for "maximum muffle". It actually sounds really good!

Thanks! *runs away in shame*
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Old 01-22-2011, 04:38 AM
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Ah! *Slaps hand to head* man do I feel like an idiot!

I swear I read somewhere that you used both for "maximum muffle". It actually sounds really good!

Thanks! *runs away in shame*
No, man. No shame. They don't include directions on/in the box or anything. I thought it was a mistake when I opened my first EMAD and found TWO rings in there. A month later, I realized that they were different sizes. *slaps hand to head* D'oh!
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Old 01-22-2011, 04:54 AM
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No, man. No shame. They don't include directions on/in the box or anything. I thought it was a mistake when I opened my first EMAD and found TWO rings in there. A month later, I realized that they were different sizes. *slaps hand to head* D'oh!
Well that makes me feel less of an idiot, but still an idiot! hahaha! At least I have an excuse, I'm still a newb learning about gear, lingo, technique etc.

That's my story and I'm sticking with it! ( I have a feeling this thread is gonna bite me in the ass one day!)

Thanks bro!
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Old 01-22-2011, 04:56 PM
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Don't sweat it. We're all on the same journey just try not to repeat your mistakes and you will be fine. So, which ring did you settle with the wide or narrow one or no ring at all.
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Old 01-22-2011, 06:51 PM
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Here's an overview of the EMAD system to better understand it:
http://evansdrumheads.com/EVMediaDet...9&MediaId=9035
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Well that makes me feel less of an idiot, but still an idiot! hahaha! At least I have an excuse, I'm still a newb learning about gear, lingo, technique etc.

That's my story and I'm sticking with it! ( I have a feeling this thread is gonna bite me in the ass one day!)

Thanks bro!


Haha were all taking screen shots to remember this day forever :P

Just kidding haha. Im glad you posted this so i dont end up doing the same thing for mine!
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Old 01-22-2011, 08:50 PM
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Here's an overview of the EMAD system to better understand it:
http://evansdrumheads.com/EVMediaDet...9&MediaId=9035

This video fails to mention EMAD2's ply thicknesses.

It seems EVANS leaves us to assume two 10 mil plys

Is it really all that fun to guess? We need the facts.
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This video fails to mention EMAD2's ply thicknesses.

It seems EVANS leaves us to assume two 10 mil plys

Is it really all that fun to guess? We need the facts.
http://store.daddario.com/category/148176/EMAD2_Clear

The video was meant to clear up some of the information that might not otherwise be available. We offer the ply configuration and thickness on the product pages for our heads. I'd like to think that none of you ever have to assume anything about us or our products, because you can always ask me.
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Old 01-22-2011, 09:51 PM
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http://store.daddario.com/category/148176/EMAD2_Clear

The video was meant to clear up some of the information that might not otherwise be available. We offer the ply configuration and thickness on the product pages for our heads. I'd like to think that none of you ever have to assume anything about us or our products, because you can always ask me.

The combination of a 7mil outer ply and 10mil inner ply offer extreme durability--EMAD2, EVANS web site

Wonderful, that could've easily been in the video.

As drummers I feel we're least likely to go to drumhead web sites for info/specs on drumheads. They're just pieces of plastic film and the main reason we don't feel motivated is they're really boring to look at, factor in one-dimensional images do nothing for drumhead presentation and you've got a low hit count.

High resolution, close-up images would bring more people to drumhead web sites. Video is the happening thing now, include all the info you can, close-ups too.

Get technical with descriptions, rim depth/thickness, collar degree, create some form of measurement for flex... bring some worth to the plastic film, make it seem interesting, expensive.
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Old 01-22-2011, 11:50 PM
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The combination of a 7mil outer ply and 10mil inner ply offer extreme durability--EMAD2, EVANS web site

Wonderful, that could've easily been in the video.

As drummers I feel we're least likely to go to drumhead web sites for info/specs on drumheads. They're just pieces of plastic film and the main reason we don't feel motivated is they're really boring to look at, factor in one-dimensional images do nothing for drumhead presentation and you've got a low hit count.

High resolution, close-up images would bring more people to drumhead web sites. Video is the happening thing now, include all the info you can, close-ups too.

Get technical with descriptions, rim depth/thickness, collar degree, create some form of measurement for flex... bring some worth to the plastic film, make it seem interesting, expensive.
Thanks for the feedback! I'm surprised that you believe that drummers would be least likely to visit the website for info/specs, seeing as that would be the best place to get such information (you don't have to worry about it being miscommunicated through multiple channels, it's straight from the source, all of the information lives in one place).

I'm confused by your statement of how heads are "just pieces of plastic film and the main reason we don't feel motivated is they're really boring to look at," yet you'd like close-ups/higher resolution images as well as all sorts of technical information that means very little to the vast majority of people (we've never had someone ask what the angle of the collar is or the dimensions of our hoop.) However, I'll look into providing some more detailed information through our website.

Again, thanks for the interest and the feedback.
Feel free to offer up more feedback, ideas, questions, comments in a thread, a private message to me or an email to Evans @ daddario . com
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Old 01-23-2011, 10:14 PM
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I'm confused by your statement of how heads are "just pieces of plastic film and the main reason we don't feel motivated is they're really boring to look at," yet you'd like close-ups/higher resolution images as well as all sorts of technical information that means very little to the vast majority of people (we've never had someone ask what the angle of the collar is or the dimensions of our hoop.)


Yep, heads are just mylar film on a hoop, pretty simple, so simple it seems head companies are fine with using long-shot pics to show off their plastic on their web sites. Create more interest, yes collar profiles, hoop thicknesses, start something, its called 'information' and people eat it up.

Sure most drummers know what a bass drum head looks like... but.

Lets use EMAD as an example. EMAD has a little something more to offer, a plastic rig on the outside, one you can put a foam ring inside. Pretty cool twist, though DAddario doesn't show it off. People want to see what they are buying, a couple macro shots of the ring and foam would put a lot consumers at ease, your vids don't get that personal either, with all the possibilities available with pics/video these days, it could almost be interpreted as you're hiding something.

What a ton of drum gear manufactures are failing to do is fully exploit this medium (the web) to show off their product. You've got people coming to your business in the comfort of their own home and you show them them a couple un-detailed pics of what your selling, you've got the ocean here and your giving a cup of water. Pictures are worth a thousand words, use the hell out of them. Its like a 1950's fiber based catalog mindset is being used for web advertising.

Say Im thinking about a POWER CENTER snare head. Maybe? my local store has one, I call, they don't, they tell me I can order one. I look at the pic on the web site (below). I have too look real hard to see the center patch, even with the blow-up, and damn if I can't see the coating. Dude I don't know what the hell this head looks like for real, how can I make a comfortable decision with my hard earned ca$h? All of a sudden I have questions, question some good close-up pics would probably answer quickly, easily. Questions that may even take the wind out of my purchase sails.

Use the illusion, don't expect consumers to envision-The 10mil single-ply Power Center, a 5mil patch. Unique slots in the 5" diameter dot ... make it appear real with pics is what Im getting at.

If someone is pinched to order a POWER CENTER snare head and opens the box and say's "Man, this isn't what I thought it was, I didn't want this." hows that for business? Then if they play it and really don't like it, they'll think twice about EVANS heads in the future, the bad taste in their mouth will be there.


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Old 01-24-2011, 01:09 AM
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I appreciate your response and detail. We'll certainly consider your suggestions for future online communications.

Cheers!
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