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Old 02-02-2008, 11:14 PM
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Default B.O.A. pedal?

Has anyone tried one of these? I want to try one but I'm not sure how it will complement my foot technique. I use the constant release method alot. I have a 9002 right now and have decided that I hate it. I've had it for about three years and its already starting to fall apart.
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Old 02-03-2008, 01:03 AM
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personally I would look into something else. It has a strange feeling, and the beaters that come on it sound bad on the drum head (square rubber things)

and for the price you can pick up something closer to a Flying dragon, Iron cobra or Eliminator. I don't know what it is about this pedal, but it just seems like a miss in terms of trying something new and different
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Old 02-03-2008, 04:17 AM
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I would wait for the Trick Dominator, cheaper than DW 9000. With BOA, you have to adjust your technique to the pedal more than other designs and not really get that much in return for it.


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Old 02-03-2008, 05:22 AM
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I played them with designer Bob Gatzen at NAMM and they were as fast as anything. I didn't have to change my foot technique from heels up ankle motion at all. They make NO noise whatsoever as well. I don't like the beaters though. I actually really liked the BOA hi-hat as well.

I'm somewhat of a pedal collector, I have Axis, Trick, Offbeat as well as DW and Pearl. This one is as good as any of them. The feel is unique from that or a direct drive or strap drive but it is no big deal to adapt to.

In the end you really should be able to play on anything. I've seen Mangini tear it up on both Axis and Pearl Elim's. Famularo uses the cheap Mapex pedals just to prove that point.
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In the end you really should be able to play on anything.
Agreed. Although it's nice to have "shiny, new pedals", I remember and used the Speed King. The Ghost. The Camco. As a bit of a pedal collector myself, my eyes are next set on the Sleishman. http://www.sleishman.com/html/twin_pedals/index.html A double pedal with no drive shafts. And the original (to my knowledge) center pedal. Saw it and played it at NAMM a few weeks ago. Sweet.
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Old 02-03-2008, 09:05 PM
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The feel is unique from that or a direct drive or strap drive but it is no big deal to adapt to.

When you're asked to spend over $200 US on a pedal, that pedal should be your slave not your master.

In the end you really should be able to play on anything

You 'should' be able to work on a computer with a smaller hard drive and less memory,.. but for the same price (or more) why? You should be able to 'play' anything as a drummer, you shouldn't be expected to pay for something that could limit technical ability through conformity, largely for the sake of it being a 'new' innovation.

Ideally (for over $200) people want more options and choices. The BOA has limited spring (flex board) capability. Sure anyone can adjust to this, but this may or may not give you enough room to experiment with and grow your technique.

No one-piece foot board option with BOA. Its smooth and friendly, quite (do we need a poll as to what's the noisiest pedal on the market?) and can do pretty much what any other pedal can do, but for over $200 I would want a pedal that can do anything and possibly more, including 'feel a little dirty' which is something a spring can add to the mix.

B.O.A.- dare to be different. At over $200 make sure different can meet your current and hopefully future needs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aigovA3_VgM
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Old 02-04-2008, 12:17 PM
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The B.O.A. pedal seems to have some flaws. I know some people who have had the foot board break after some time of usage. It has been addressed to DW/PDP and Bob Gatzen himself but they do not seem very interested with this. If you have the pedal and here some noise, you may want to check those holes out.

Here is a pick of the breakage.
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It just seems really cool to have a springless pedal, where all the flex is in the footboard. I've love to check out one of those magnetic pedals as well.
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What exactly is falling apart on your 9000? That's a beefy pedal.
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i am trying to decide wether to get a dw 9000 double pedal a pdp B.O.A. pedal or one of the new pearl eliminator demon drive double pedals if eny one has eny info on nice features flaws or opinions on eny of these pedals pleas reaply with inf
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Old 04-12-2009, 03:50 AM
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to much money for nothing
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to much money for nothing
I wouldn't say nothing. I tried the double pedals and the hi hat stand, and they felt good, but in my honest opinion, for the price of them, I would get something different....
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Old 08-13-2010, 06:32 AM
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Hi, all. I think it's about time to really
clarify here everything there is to know
about this Boa-Pedal.

Let me start off by saying that I have had
the pedals ever since the beginning and
have written tomes on it. What I would
like to do is avail myself to you to answer
your questions honestly and in detail.

The design is a very interesting one and
in my opinion, one you have to take a
look at and not too quickly either. This
pedal has many adjustments that can
change the feel of the pedal dramatically.

Incidentally, I am not an employee of
DW nor am affiliated with them in any
way. I do communicate with them but
that is all. I am a consumer like you.

http://thediametrixletter.com/boa1.mp3

That is a sample of me playing the single.

The adjustments I use are different than
the factory settings and for those of you
that have the pedal and want to work with
me on it, I will be glad to help you get
the exact feel you want. I think it is fair
for me to say that whatever it is, I can
probably get you there, having had years
of experience working with it.

I will leave it here, for now. Again, I am
available for your questions regarding it.

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Old 08-13-2010, 10:00 PM
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... I use the constant release method a lot.

Me too, I use it every morning on the toilet.


Hi, all. I think it's about time to really
clarify here everything there is to know
about this Boa-Pedal.


Hey Pete, I'm pretty sure the general consensus on the BOA pedal is: Nobody cares:)


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Old 08-14-2010, 05:12 AM
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Lol.

Well, the pedal is being re-vamped for 2011.
Even I do not know what they are doing to it.

But I feel responsible for some of the ill that
fell on it, when it came out. The fact is that
Bob and Rich and helped me iron-out a lot
of the what I brought up.

More importantly, I think the pedal is more
misunderstood than anything else. I guess
I am just putting it on the board, here, just
in case anyone wants to re-open the subject.
If so, I can help. I know it, upside-down and
use it all the time, with my others.

Just letting it be known.

;-)

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Old 08-14-2010, 05:46 AM
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Oh Les, you're so positive!!

I really liked this pedal. Off a drum, it felt weird if someone was "checking it out" on the floor like we sometimes do, but stores like to line up pedals so you can see them all.
Step on the BOA, and it goes forward...

It was the price tag that got me. I liked the hat pedal a lot, but the 200+ price tag steered me away from that one too--putting aside I like the pedals I'm using now anyway.
And WHY they put it in the PDP line of hardware I'll never know. A mistake IMO, but whatever.

I'd be interested in the new version, and I'd care to check that out as much as the new Speed Cobra Tama has coming.
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Old 08-14-2010, 10:02 AM
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Is pdp still making the boa pedal? I went to their site and there was nothing on it?
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Old 08-16-2010, 02:01 PM
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They've have pulled them off from the
site until the new release.

Of course, everyone has their needs
and desires for a pedal and the wallet
rules this period in history. My general
opinion is that equipment is TOO EX-
PENSIVE and suffered the inflationary
boom and has not adjusted (BUST) but
we are where we are in that cycle.

For kickers that are into cams (systems),
the Boa Pedal is in a class by itself but
you won't know it unless you fully go
through that experimentation process.
There is nothing to take place of playing
it and seeing how it can do its job.

It may be that your desires are not
that specific or that other pedals provide
your needs and if that is the case, there
is no need for any other pedal and then,
the Boa would not be for you.

As it is, here are the reasons to be in-
terested in the Boa and the new release:

1. Unique cam system allowing fully
independent adjusting. Only the Axis-A
system allows adjustment nearing it.

2. Hoop-Size/Distancing Adjustment.
With the linking system, adds to vari-
ability in pull-down and throwback feel.

These are the basic differences besides
the glaring feature that you are using a
foot-board that flexes for tension and
not a spring.

Many drummers ask me what I think
they are doing. Again, I do not know.
What do I THINK they are working on?
I think it must be the board itself, hav-
ing to with the length and thickness.

As they are/were drummers with larger
foot-sizes were finding the board too
small and then the edges of the boards
were too thin and suffered wear, there,
as a result. Lengthening them would
allow for bigger footprints and better
durability.

I have to tell you that Bob and Rich
are really good guys. They have good
ideas about a lot of things. They want
to provide good products.

Let's see what happens.

If you have a hold of the original pedal
and you want to re-open the possibilities
for its use, I am here to help.

Regards,


Pete
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Old 08-17-2010, 05:51 AM
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I was told by a guy at my local Guitar center that a problem that has happened with the BOA is that the pedal board was bending and losing its ability to act as the spring. Have you heard of this pete?
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Old 08-17-2010, 08:44 AM
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I have had my pedals for years and
that has not happened to me. From
the get-go, the issue was at the very
edge of the foot-board. Because it
is so thin, there, you had hairline
cracks develop. Every foot-board I
have looked at has these. They are
or were cut so thin (for flex) but I
think it was too thin.

I told them about it right away and
have even had the cut the edges off
into the slot so the cracks would not
make any noise (edges rubbing against
each other). I have used these for a long,
long time and they have been fine. If
this has happened, I would think that it
is because of the cracks at the edge
having compromised the board, coupled
with setting the board very close
to the edge, where it is weakest.

This is what I think they are addressing,
with the new design. What I do know is
that we will be able to retro-fit the new
changes onto the old pedals.

Again, what am I hopeful for is a design
using a longer and thicker foot-board, with
little or no heel-plate. This would kill two
birds with one stone and I think the pedal
will sell and be the alternative they hoped.
I actually think it already is for cam-geeks
like me and I have tried a lot.

Let's see what they do.

Regards,


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Old 08-17-2010, 02:36 PM
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[i]Hey Pete, I'm pretty sure the general consensus on the BOA pedal is: Nobody cares:)
That's a bit rational. If nobody cared then this thread wouldn't have started and no one would have an opinion of it.
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Old 08-17-2010, 08:18 PM
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From the get-go, the issue was at the very
edge of the foot-board. Because it
is so thin, there, you had hairline
cracks develop. Every foot-board I
have looked at has these. They are
or were cut so thin (for flex) but I
think it was too thin.... what am I hopeful for is a design
using a longer and thicker foot-board, with
little or no heel-plate. This would kill two
birds with one stone and I think the pedal
will sell and be the alternative they hoped.



Its safe to say Bob Gatzen does not have a heavy foot and its likely people who do are the ones pushing this design past its limits and experiencing problems.

BOA is a class of gear that requires you to conform to it and that's not desirable, especially with a kick pedal. Nobody cares to adjust/limit their ability to conform to a piece of gear.

BOA is still a work in progress, it wasn't tested enough b/f it was released IMO.
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Old 08-18-2010, 03:08 AM
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I will agree with that, Les.

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Old 08-27-2010, 11:50 PM
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I have a feeling, though, that they
mean to correct all the flaws and
bring a great design to the table
for us to use and enjoy.

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Old 08-28-2010, 06:30 AM
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I have a feeling, though, that they
mean to correct all the flaws and
bring a great design to the table
for us to use and enjoy.

Regards,


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OK, we'll be 'watching' (and going to shops to try them out-when), but we are keeping score... ground out to second.

BOA- 0 for 1
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Old 11-13-2010, 09:03 AM
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Hmmm. Looks like their pedal has diappeared from their homepage...

Is it discontinued?

http://pacificdrums.com/

Edit: reading this thread would have helped answering my question. lol

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Old 11-17-2010, 02:45 PM
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Default Re: B.O.A. pedal?

Ive had the double pedal since it came out. It has a good feel to it. I haven't noticed any of the issues mentioned in this post so far but i switch out pedals all the time so maybe i just haven't used the pedal enough to notice? its anybody's guess.... My one complaint about the pedal is that the pedal board is to smooth and my foot slides around constantly.
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