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Old 06-15-2010, 04:00 AM
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So I'm working on some guys kitchen today and I hear Rod Stewarts "Maggie May" for the 10 millionth time since birth and I wondered if there was anyone in particular this song was written about. Which led me to wonder about all the other questions I had about song lyric references and I thought this would make a pretty cool thread.
So for starters, who is Maggie May?
Also, what does 25 or 6 to 4 refer to? Anybody?

I'd also like to hear any other cool references that anybody can come up with.
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I remember Rod Stewart talking about this on Story Tellers and it was about an older woman he had his first affair with If I recall.

25 or 6 to 4:00 is about the time. But does any one really know what time is was?
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Old 06-15-2010, 04:12 AM
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25 or 6 to 4 to four is just time?
I thought it would be way cooler than that, how lame lol.
But back on topic, Carly Simon's "You're So Vain" is about Warren Beatty, everybody knows that, but I'm sure there's lotsa songs out there that refer to someone and I don't even know it.
And we all know who Roseanna is too, but there's gotta be more...little help?
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, but there's gotta be more...little help?
Well, this is a pretty wide open subject, and I could be here all day with useless bits of trivia on songs.

Many love songs are often inspired by someones crush or girlfriend (current or ex).

Journey:
Lovin,' Touchin,' Squeezin;' was about Steve Perry catching his girlfriend kissing another man.

Separate Ways was inspired by Perry watching two of his bandmates go through divorces.

Happy to Give was written by Perry about his mother, as she passed during the recording of the Raised on Radio album.

The Who
The "Tommy" story was (in part) about growing up in post-WWII England, and knowing his parents generation had lived through the bombings of London, yet no one ever talked about what it was like to go through such a horrible event. Although it was also inspired by other things as well.

Rush:
Subdivisions was written about the subdivisions of the suburbs where the band grew up.

I could go on......
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And we all know who Roseanna is
Do we? All I know is that she appeared to have had triplets

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Do we? All I know is that she appeared to have had triplets

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hahahahahahahahahahahaha..........................

All I know was She was a fool in the Rain
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Yep......Roseanna Purdie!!
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Do we? All I know is that she appeared to have had triplets

<groooaaannnn>
+++++1!

Layla was about Mr. Clapton's mournful pining for Mr.George Harrison's wife ( later, he married her.. )

and Roxanne was about a french prostitute that Sting was 'inspired' by.

Michelle, by the Beatles was an instrumental piece, to which McCartney later slapped some lyrics together because he and Lennon used to ham French Bohemian accents and Lennon wanted to make it into a song.

They even got some French friends to help out with the French words.

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hahahahahahahahahahahaha..........................

All I know was She was a fool in the Rain
Yes. That's because because it rained a lot in Babylon where she and her Sisters were staying when they all dated this loser guy having a major midlife crisis (such Fools). Once the relationship was over they were back Home at Last ... which was a relief, at least until the ultrasound ...

Guess I should contribute something sensible ... the awesome little rocker by Queen called Death on Two Legs was dedicated to their former manager. I expect there would be a number of cryptic hate songs inspired by ripoff managers.

Apparently 25 or 6 to 4 was about being absolutely nailed sometime a bit after 3:30am. He's wondering whether to go to bed or drop another tab.
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Actually, 25 or 6 to 4 is about writing a song. At least, that's what Robert Lamm says. And since he wrote the song, it seems like he ought to know. Cite: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...or-6-to-4-mean

I believe Clapton's Tears in Heaven is about the death of his 5-year-old son, who fell out the window of a 50 story building.

I like this game but I can't think of any more right now.
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I know The Beatle's "Hey Jude" is about John Lennons first son Julian.
Pink Floyd's "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" is about founding member Syd Barrett.

And who can forget the musical missiles launched between John Lennon and Paul McCartney?

I can! I only remember Johns song "How Do You Sleep?"
What was Pauls?

Then there's Lynyrd Skynyrds public calling out of Neil Young in "Sweet Home Alabama"
in reply to Neil's "Southeren Man"

The Allman Brother's Eat a Peach album was named so because it was a peach truck that was involved in the motorcycle accident that claimed Duane...

BTW thanks Drummist for the informative link, I'll trust that source.

Ironically enough, if I have my facts straight, one year later, almost to the day, the Allmans bassist Berry Oakley died in a similar fashion as Duane, motorcycle accident...

This is all common knowledge, I know there's a ton more, but I can't think of any either right now.
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Actually, 25 or 6 to 4 is about writing a song. At least, that's what Robert Lamm says. And since he wrote the song, it seems like he ought to know. Cite: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...or-6-to-4-mean

I believe Clapton's Tears in Heaven is about the death of his 5-year-old son, who fell out the window of a 50 story building.

I like this game but I can't think of any more right now.
that guy stole my line.lol


"Ain't Nobody Here But Us Chickens" was Louis Jordan's way of poking fun at the fear white men had that black men would steal their women.

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Now I get it...25 or 26 till 4 o'clock.
I knew I could get satisfaction here.
What a great resource!
Thanks!
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Now I get it...25 or 26 till 4 o'clock.
I knew I could get satisfaction here.
What a great resource!
Thanks!
Maybe it's his ATM password 250624 . . .
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I'm sure everyone's aware of the "Paul is Dead" theory.
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The Allman Brother's Eat a Peach album was named so because it was a peach truck that was involved in the motorcycle accident that claimed Duane...
Not true. I'm quoting this from Wikipedia, but I recently read the DA biography "Skydog" and it included the same information there.

The album name came from something Duane said in an interview shortly before he was killed. When asked what he was doing to help the revolution, Duane replied, "There ain't no revolution, it's evolution, but every time I'm in Georgia I eat a peach for peace."
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Not true. I'm quoting this from Wikipedia, but I recently read the DA biography "Skydog" and it included the same information there.

The album name came from something Duane said in an interview shortly before he was killed. When asked what he was doing to help the revolution, Duane replied, "There ain't no revolution, it's evolution, but every time I'm in Georgia I eat a peach for peace."
Whoops, my bad. I stand corrected. Thanks for that Mr 73.
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I'm sure everyone's aware of the "Paul is Dead" theory.
Paul is dead?!?!?

Yeah, I know that one. But hearing about it after the fact (I was born in '73) I don't understand how is was perpetuated. Can any old hippies on here help me with that one?


Another lyric reference I know is that Collective Soul's 'Smashing Young Man' was supposedly written about Billy Corgan who claimed CS ripped off 'Shine' from him. Shine was written back in 1987, long before whatever Smahing Pumpkins song Billy was referring to.
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Paul is dead?!?!?

Yeah, I know that one. But hearing about it after the fact (I was born in '73) I don't understand how is was perpetuated. Can any old hippies on here help me with that one?


Another lyric reference I know is that Collective Soul's 'Smashing Young Man' was supposedly written about Billy Corgan who claimed CS ripped off 'Shine' from him. Shine was written back in 1987, long before whatever Smahing Pumpkins song Billy was referring to.
It was a rumor started by some college students who had nothing better to do but smoke pot and analyze Beatles songs for clues of Paul's death. They said he had been replaced. The most famous clue was on the cover of Abbey Road where Paul is the only one barefoot and the VW bug says If 26, meaning if Paul were still alive he'd be 26. I think it was actually the Beatles making fun of the rumor. But it started with the cover of Sgt Peppers.

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure The Beatles went along with it, because there are numerous lyrical references after that album.

On the cover of Sgt. Peppers, they're all standing over what looks like a grave with flowers shaped like a left handed bass, Paul is holding a black instrument and has a hand suspended over his head.
Abbey Road is supposed to be a funeral procession, where Paul is barefoot, eyes closed and out of step. (He's supposed to be a corpse)
On Magical Mystery Tour, they're wearing costumes, one of which is a black walrus, which is supposed to be a folk symbol of death.
In 'Glass Onion', John sings, "And here's another clue for you all, the walrus was Paul."

There's a ton more, and I always thought it was really cool because of the way they rode it.
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The death of Paul thing, yeah, I read that it started in a magazine or news paper or something, and turned into an inside joke as the Beatles perpetuated it with "hints" throughout the years.

I'm sure everyone already knows that The Who's Pinball Wizard was about rebellion and cultural revolution. My brain's not quite working yet... that's all I can think of.

P.S: That thing about Abbey Road, I recently saw a docu where they said that was purely accidental. They had to walk across the street several times taking a bunch of pictures each time. So this one take Paul decided to take off his shoes because they hurt or something and it just so happened that they were all perfectly in step except the barefooted Paul. Something was just not quite right in most of them (blurs, pedestrians, lighting, etc). Since everything worked out with the barefoot shot, and they liked the striking imagery of the only barefooted person being out of step, that's the one they used. They even showed some of the pictures from the other takes. It kinda bummed me out because I always liked that myth. :)

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Wasn't there some garbled talk at the end of ... was it A Day In the Life? or was it I Am the Walrus? ... which was supposed to be "Turn me on dead man" if played backwards and was purportedly proof that Paul was dead?

Then we have Jimi in Purple Haze singing "Excuse me while I kiss this guy" ;-)
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Wasn't there some garbled talk at the end of ... was it A Day In the Life? or was it I Am the Walrus? ... which was supposed to be "Turn me on dead man" if played backwards and was purportedly proof that Paul was dead?

Then we have Jimi in Purple Haze singing "Excuse me while I kiss this guy" ;-)
That's a good one. Didn't CCR have a hit with "There's a bathroom on the right"?
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Wasn't there some garbled talk at the end of ... was it A Day In the Life? or was it I Am the Walrus? ... which was supposed to be "Turn me on dead man" if played backwards and was purportedly proof that Paul was dead?
It was at the end of Strawberry Fields. Lennon says "Raspberry sauce" but people heard "I buried Paul".

A couple more: The Wizard by Black Sabbath was either written about the band's dealer or Gandalf from Lord of the Rings.

Have you Ever seen rain? by CCR was written to Tom Fogerty after he quit the band.

One of my favorite cryptic references is from "Dream On" by Aerosmith. "Every time I look in the mirror, all these lines on my face are gettin' clearer".

And lastly Walk On The Wild Side by Lou Reed. It's about a transsexual hooker. I used to listen to the song growing up and I had no idea what I was listening to.
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LOL Jon e ... John Fogerty is a helpful man :)

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The term "mondegreen" was coined by Sylvia Wright in a 1954 Atlantic article. As a child, young Sylvia had listened to a folk song that included the lines "They had slain the Earl of Moray/And Lady Mondegreen." As is customary with misheard lyrics, she didn't realize her mistake for years. The song was not about the tragic fate of Lady Mondegreen, but rather, the continuing plight of the good earl: "They had slain the Earl of Moray/And laid him on the green."
The ants are my friend, they're blowing in the wind ...

Everyone knows that You're So Vain was written about Warren Beatty, don't they?

Raspberry sauce ... I buried Paul ... someone obviously failed the aural ink blot test!
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That's a good one. Didn't CCR have a hit with "There's a bathroom on the right"?
I love those!! One of my favorites is 'Bingo Jed Had a Lighter' by the Steve Miller Band
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Then we have Jimi in Purple Haze singing "Excuse me while I kiss this guy" ;-)
But he didn't actually say that. However, it was misheard by so many people that, as a joke, he sang it that way at a convert. I grin every time I'm reminded of that story. I love it when artists goof on their fans. :p
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The guys I go to lunch and I were just talking about misunderstood lyrics. I mentioned "Hold me closer Tony Danza" (Hold me closer tiny dancer) and my other friend had always thought it was "Hold me close, I'm tired of dancing." Hilarious and coincidental.
Maybe we should start a thread just for misunderstood/confused lyrics.
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The guys I go to lunch and I were just talking about misunderstood lyrics. I mentioned "Hold me closer Tony Danza" (Hold me closer tiny dancer) and my other friend had always thought it was "Hold me close, I'm tired of dancing." Hilarious and coincidental.
Maybe we should start a thread just for misunderstood/confused lyrics.
Just started it. You got anything?
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One thing I've always wondered is why Paul giggles in one of the Beatles songs from Abbey Road.

During Maxwell's Silver Hammer he gets to the part where Maxwell is doing his lines as punishment and then he laughs.

Can anyone get me a story behind that?
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One thing I've always wondered is why Paul giggles in one of the Beatles songs from Abbey Road.

During Maxwell's Silver Hammer he gets to the part where Maxwell is doing his lines as punishment and then he laughs.

Can anyone get me a story behind that?
I read that it was because John mooned him from the booth while he was recording vocals. Whether that's true or not, it still makes me giggle whenever he does.
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Yeah, we all thought it was common knowlege that "You're So Vain" was about Warren Beatty. That's why I was very surprised about a year ago while watching a news special on TV where Carly Simon was saying to effect, "I never said it was about Warren Beatty...

Aparrently, during the time frame Carly wrote about, she had been dating Beatty, Mick Jagger and James Taylor, whom of course she eventually married. She held a private auction for charity, the winner getting the prize of Carly whispering in their ear the name. The winner (Warren Buffet was the winner, if I remember correctly) had to sign a disclaimer not to reveal.

During the report folks were going over lyrics looking for revealing clues:

"You walked into the party like you were walking onto a yacht, your hat strategically placed below one eye, your scarf it was apricot. You had one eye in the mirror as you watched yourself gavotte."

Gavotte is a sort of enthusiastic, straight or double time dance step, but with a slightly serious mood as discribed in the dictionary. Some were trying to hint / or just wonder if this was a veiled reference to Mick.

Carly would only reveal to the public that the first and last names of her "subject" contained the letters R and A. That doesn't help us, all three have that.

I was very surprised watching this, as I said earlier. I thought it was old news that this song was about Warren Beatty, but not so fast according to Carly Simon.

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Right on Derek. It is generally accepted that she is singing about Beatty, but that doesn't mean it's the truth. I'll say this, I'll bet it wasn't James.
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Yeah Larry, we're on the same page there. I wouldn't bet on J.T. being the subject of this song either.
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Aparrently, during the time frame Carly wrote about, she had been dating Beatty, Mick Jagger and James Taylor, whom of course she eventually married. She held a private auction for charity, the winner getting the prize of Carly whispering in their ear the name. The winner (Warren Buffet was the winner, if I remember correctly) had to sign a disclaimer not to reveal.
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Warren Buffet is a fellow Omaha resident. I'll go knock on his door and see if I can get it out of him. ;-)
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She held a private auction for charity, the winner getting the prize of Carly whispering in their ear the name.
The winner (Warren Buffet was the winner, if I remember correctly) had to sign a disclaimer not to reveal.
Actually, it was Dick Ebersol (head honcho of NBC Sports) who won. :-)

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Warren Buffet is a fellow Omaha resident. I'll go knock on his door and see if I can get it out of him. ;-)
Fuzrock, change of plans.
Instead, kindly ask Mr. Buffet if he would be willing to buy all of us at DW new snare drums.
I'd say about a $1000 limit per member should do nicely. :-D
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Blk Diamond, thanks for clarification on the winner. I'll wait patiently for my new snare drum from Mr. Buffett.
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Wasn't there some garbled talk at the end of ... was it A Day In the Life? or was it I Am the Walrus? ... which was supposed to be "Turn me on dead man" if played backwards and was purportedly proof that Paul was dead?

Then we have Jimi in Purple Haze singing "Excuse me while I kiss this guy" ;-)
The Turn me on dead man backwards is from "Revolution #9" off the white album.
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The Turn me on dead man backwards is from "Revolution #9" off the white album.
Does it really work? Or is this just an urban legend? Anybody here heard it firsthand?

I think if you play "Stairway to Heaven" backwards you can hear some satanic stuff too, but I'm pretty sure it's completely coincidental and wasn't intentionally done.
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