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Old 06-04-2010, 01:45 AM
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Default High End Hat Stands....Godsend or Gimmick?

I'm currently scouting the drum shops for a new hat stand. I've put my foot to numerous models and have been absolutely astounded at the engineering that goes into the higher end models.....lever glides, interchangeable cams, adjustable footboards, chain length adjustments, powershifters, tilting facilities (the stand, not the hats).....man, the options are seemingly endless and much of it has honestly left me scratching my head.

Now, before I get jumped on to use the search function....this is not another thread asking you "what should I buy?" I'm perfectly capable of deciding that one for myself. But the infinite options available these days does pose the question........how neccessary are half these options for a humble hi hat stand?

I get the fact that interchangeable cams, powershifters, chain/strap/direct drive et al on a kick pedal do indeed allow one to completely tailor a pedal to their own distinct feel, but are the same options on a hat stand as viable? The beater on a kick pedal moves a greater distance and requires more striking power, the most separation I've ever seen between a top and bottom hat is a couple of inches. I have mine set to about an inch.

Given that, do we really need different cams or rolling glides or the ability to lengthen/shorten the chain in order to connect a top and bottom hat by no more than a couple of inches?

Are we just suckers for the marketing gimmickery or the need to have "the best" gear? Or have these many changes actually made your playing life a hell of a lot easier?

Interested in your thoughts and experiences. Please feel free to include what hat stand you use, why you chose it, what 'bells and whistles' it has, why they initially appealed to you and if you've actually found many of these options useful.

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Old 06-04-2010, 02:11 AM
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I know what you mean... I have an eliminator HH stand, and I never even bothered trying different cams or any other settings really except for tension...

I play with my bass pedal (also an elim) settings endlessly though...

I'm still a n00b tho... maybe those settings will be useful down the line?
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Old 06-04-2010, 02:19 AM
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I have a Tama Cobra lever glide and I love it. It really doesn't play that much better than my cheapo hat stands!
I say gimmick!
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Old 06-04-2010, 04:51 AM
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One of my favorite hat stands is my old Ludwig Modular. It's at least 18 years old and feels great. solid as a rock, and has great quiet action.

I don't use it much because I NEED a hat stand with 2 legs because I use a left side floor tom and it's perfect placement is of course, in the spot a leg is on a 3 leg stand.
I really like the light weight 2 leg DW stand I have though (think it's the 3000 or 3500 model now). It's simple and feels nice under my foot and that's all that counts--and it doesn't make noise.
No bells and whistles, but they feel great.

The DW 7000 hat stand feels great and is quiet too.

I have a Gibraltar Liquid Drive stand, and I liked it a lot, for quite a while, but when I went to the lighter stand, and got used to the action of a "plain" stand again, I kind of didn't care for the feel of the Gibraltar anymore.
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Old 06-04-2010, 05:04 AM
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Not sure if I would have use for different cams on a HH stand. I use heavy hats (Z Customs) and noticed a HUGE difference on how easy and controllabel they are on my 9500TB. It feels effortless. The tilt function is nice to have cause you never know how flat or not a surface you will be presented with playing venues. The two rail spikes are good to have to eliminate creep or killing vampires. Any more features I wouldn't have much use for so I say, Gimmick.
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Old 06-04-2010, 05:06 AM
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Ive owned a cheap mapex, & pdp. A decent yamaha.
The first really good hat stand I got was the Axis Longboard hat stand. Its great, 6 quick set & forget tension adjustments, the tilt feature is useful, removable legs, very light wieght yet sturdy, and the extra length on the board makes foot splashes much easier.
Do you need things like that in a stand? If yes, get a high end one. If you will not use things like this, the don't worry about getting an expensive one.
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Old 06-04-2010, 05:35 AM
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Old 06-04-2010, 05:47 AM
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I tend to agree many features border on gimmick.

I used the same low end Pearl hi-hat stand for years and years, even after upgrading everything else to top of the line. Although I use a mid-line DW these days, I still own that basic Pearl hi-hat stand, and it still works.
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Old 06-04-2010, 06:48 AM
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I've been using a DW 5000 HH stand for 15 years and it still works great. I haven't been able to adjust the spring tension, though. I always assumed it had that capability, but recently I was thinking it felt a little weak and tried to tension it up but I couldn't figure out how! So I raised the footboard a notch on the chain and that's probably all I'll get from it.

All the rest of that stuff? Gimmicks.
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Old 06-04-2010, 07:32 AM
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts all.

Seems at this early stage that most of the "bells and whistles" I was referring to are pretty much not used, by the few repsondants that own these types of stands.

From most accounts I've read (in other threads and internet reviews) it seems that the option of 2 legs for better pedal placement, is by far the main sell point. From what I can gather, a lot are just using the stands straight out of the box, with factory settings. Internet research has also hinted that a lot of the time, these stands are bought purely to have the footboard match the kick pedals (at least according to some of the Pearl Forum members, who's reviews I stumbled across).

Any other owners of hat stands such as the Pearl Elim, DW9500, Tama Lever Glide and the like, that actually DO make use of different cams, light or heavy feel, long or short chain, or any of the other Gucci features?

I'm finding it all very interesting, how much some will pay for features that pretty much remain unused.
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Old 06-04-2010, 02:25 PM
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As long as the stand is sturdy and has an adjustable tension control, it works for me. The last stand I bought a couple of months ago was a Pearl 900 series and it does what it has to.

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Old 06-04-2010, 03:07 PM
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My latest hihat stand was $35.00 -new. One of those cheappy OSP from eBay. Works great.

The only thing is that I have it set up at home. I am not gigging right now. If you are out playing every week, this is the test. How they play isn't the only issue. How do they last on the road.

Even when you are extra careful, gigging is tough on equipment. Better equipment usually does stand up to the road with higher success.

With that in mind, I don't think I am going to get a better stand unless I need too, even after I start gigging again..
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Old 06-05-2010, 04:29 PM
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I leave my high end stand at home along with my high end kit.
I buy cheap used Hat stands for gigging. I buy the stands that come with beginner kits from drummers that upgraded. I also buy cheap used drum kits for gigging. I have never had a stand fail. I do check them for loose screws, worn parts, and such from time to time.
If a stand starts to get crappy, I buy another used one for about $30.
Also the cheap ones are light in weight. A big plus for gigging.

Why risk damage or loss of expensive hardware at gigs? As long as the stand shines and raises and lowers the hats, No one knows that it is a cheap stand.
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...I do check them for loose screws, worn parts, and such from time to time...
Interesting Bob, my former bandmates use to do that to me..!??!! @:-)
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Old 06-05-2010, 04:57 PM
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Interesting Bob, my former bandmates use to do that to me..!??!! @:-)
Did they manage to get them tightened up for you?
My band mates could never get my screws right! ;)
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Old 06-05-2010, 06:11 PM
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Did they manage to get them tightened up for you?
My band mates could never get my screws right! ;)
They must have because now people tell me that I'm wound too tight..! :)
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Old 06-05-2010, 07:19 PM
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i dunno about the ultra high end hat stands but the difference between that cheap crappy one i had and the iron cobra one i have now is outstanding. the old one i didn't think was that bad when i first got it, upgraded the whole set up with new higher end stuff. played the cobra for a while, at first i didn't notice much difference in them, a week ago i set up the cheap crap kit at my house to practice with and after using the iron cobra for the last 4 months then going back to the crappy one i can really see the differences now. i've seen some of the 'ultra adjust' ones and remotes and fancy this and that but i still see a lot of it as gimmicky...

my conclusion, yes there is a difference between low end and high end hats but it can quickly cross that line to gimmicky and useless features just to one up the competition. BUT as soon as they come out with a hat stand with built in beer tap i'll be the first in line....
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Old 06-08-2010, 07:26 AM
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Ok all......I'm gonna bump this once, and once only...then I'll let it die a slow and withering death.

I've heard from plenty who don't use these stands and have no need for the many options that they provide. I've also heard from one or two, who perhaps do own....but don't make use of the features.

There HAS to be more of you out there that own them. I've read post after post here where "The Best" HH stand (or pedal or other peice of hardware) has been discussed at length. Many responses about what cats are playing....often highlighting how good these top end peices of kit are. Where are you guys? What are your thoughts? Anyone gonna come to the party and shed any light?

What about the trusted authorities on "all things gear related"....Les? Konaboy? Harry? Anyone? Really keen to hear your thoughts.
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Old 06-08-2010, 06:39 PM
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I own a Mapex Hi hat stand, and it was about 89.00, I think. I wanted to get the Tama iron Cobra one to match my pedals, but after testing out the Mapex and the Tama, the Mapex felt better. Just more "solid", and it was cheaper, too. It has three legs, but has the ability to turn them, so you can get it right next to your slave pedal, if using a double. My old hi-hat stand was cheap, and I can definitely feel the difference. I think the biggest difference is from the real cheap stands to the "middle class". Once you get there, the difference from "middle class" to "upper class" is marginal. One point, however, that wasn;t made here, is that if you get a stand with the gimmicky features, maybe you'd START using them. I never had a need for a tilting stand, but I also never played one. Maybe if I did, I'd become reliant on it. So, to answer your question" I don't know. :)
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Old 06-10-2010, 07:37 AM
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I was just looking at new HH stands this week. I bought a Shell pack and need hardware. Since I bought a Ludwig kit I first looked at Ludwig HH stand about $89. Then The sales person showed me a Pearl with a double chain drive and cams I think. It may have been the 1000 series HK. It was sooo smooth, much quicker action than the Ludwig. It's marked down price was $179.00. I don't have that kind of money right now, but if money was not an object I'd be buying that one just one the feel. Then there were several in between from $129 on up. Besides smoother lighter action on the more expensive Stands you could see a heavier duty more thought out clutch. Instead of just rubber feet, there was the option of spikes. So there is a difference IMHO. I'm in the market right now so I'm struggling with how much to invest. Before this week I knew no better and pretty much thought all HH stands except for the ultra cheapies were basically equal. One final thought, there was a thread about remote HH setups. I don't see that as a gimmick. I think being able to put the HH where it is most convenient for you, and does not interfere with cross sticking makes a lot of sense. I've never tried one, but from what I read in the thread it could be an AHA moment. Spiney

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Old 06-10-2010, 09:32 AM
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I haven't yet bought a "professional" hihat stand, I'm still using the Premier one that came with my Cabrias. I've done a bit of research on which model would be best suited to me and, I have to say, I didn't get very far.

Honestly, the feature that I caught myself looking for first was the option of 3 legs, 2 legs, no legs or remote, regardless of whether I actually needed any of these more exotic options. Turns out I don't, a fact which was hammered into me through buyer's remorse after picking up a Pearl remote hihat stand (oh, I guess I do own a professional one; still only use the Premier though).

I'm also amazed at just how much it matters to me that my hihat and kick pedal match. I don't play a double pedal, so It wouldn't make any difference playing wise; but somehow having those two footboards the same when I upgrade is, shamefully, one of my top priorities.

As for all of the adjustments that actually have the potential to make a difference to your playing (cam options, tension, whathaveyou); they've barely been given a second look. My Premier has 0 options for adjustment; and it works just fine for now.
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Old 06-10-2010, 09:32 AM
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If you have the money for it then get one. I really like my Axis stand, to me, its the best hi-hat stand ever. It has very quick response, super light yet durable, heel splashes take no effort on the longboard, the legs are removable, & it just feels right.

On the other end of the spectrum you have stuff like the Iron Cobra stand. which is pretty heavy, but the strap driven ones are awesome. DW's good too although most are very heavy. There are a lot of very nice HH stands out there. I guess its not for everyone but if you can afford nice gear, why not?

You don't have to have a great hi-hat stand to play music, a cheap one will make it happen. However, as much time as we all spend playing being able to set things to personal preference if nice. I am gonna have to lean towards godsend....maybe that a little strong but I high end gear that is customizable.
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If you view the left foot as being as important as the right foot, all the options and variations start to make a little more sense.

People seem to fuss most over their left foot when it's on a bass drum pedal; double pedals are the single most-discussed topic in gear, technique and in general here. When it comes to the left foot in any other capacity, however, it doesn't seem to exist.

I have my left foot working four pedals, none of them attached to a bass drum beater.
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When I use my Axis longboard HH stand with my e-kit I think..."wow, this thing is so nice to play on... and the footplate matches the KD pedal perfectly - can even play HH and KD2 at the same time because the footplate shapes fit together so well"

When I use my Gibraltar 5000 series on my a-kit I think "wow, this thing feels good and it is so much cheaper than the Axis"

The high end is my preferred choice, but it's not a big margin.
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I went from a crappy no-name to my Iron Cobra hat stand. Day and night, so far as I'm concerned.

The DW9500 is great too. I haven't messed with the settings much though.

If I had to buy something new, I sure wouldn't go cheap. It's easy to say "I don't need that feature" then come back later and realize "Man, I wish I could adjust that there dohickey."

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Ok all......I'm gonna bump this once, and once only...then I'll let it die a slow and withering death.

..... Harry? .....your thoughts.
Geez, I'm honored someone wants to hear from me. thanx.
I currently own 4 hi-hat stand/unit/things. Yeah, down to 4.
If I want a traditional 3 legged stand, I have a Yamaha (Steve Gadd era) single braced stand. What would be the 700 series, now. Works flawlessly. No bells, no whistles. Simple.
Though I never use it anymore, I have a Tama legless (80's vintage). Back it the day of the twin-kicks, this hi-hat stand ruled supreme. I probably should sell it.
My main hi-hat (stand?) now is my Yamaha remote cable. This one, another keeper, for sure. It gets into places that normal stands can't. Like behind my snare (12 'o clock).
Lastly, I have an Aux. hi-hat thingy. From back in the day when I ran two sets of hats. No open/close. It simply is. I probably should sell it too.
And yes, to some degree, the manufactures market features I think are unnessary. Just like cars, and motorcycles, stereo's, etc. But they need to sell gear, and to stay in competition with everyone else, they need to play the game. And if the game means "infinite adjustability", so be it.
For me, it's all about "how does it feel". If it feels good......then I take it home.
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I]My main hi-hat (stand?) now is my Yamaha remote cable. This one, another keeper, for sure. It gets into places that normal stands can't. Like behind my snare (12 'o clock).
I've been playing off and on for 40 years, but very new to setting up my drums other than the "Normal" way. The idea of a HH stand behind the snare intrigues me. Since I don't have a remote to play with can you tell me the plus's and any drawbacks of having your HH there?
Does it take getting used to? As I read these boards and look at videos I'm all about efficiency. Having had 4 back surgeries the more efficient I can be in my movements around the kit the better for pain and stamina. I just recently went from 5 piece to 4 and found freedom in losing a rack tom. So now I got some space to play with. Thanks, Spiney

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Honestly i'm not that picky when it comes to hat stands. I'm currently useing a PDP stand and it does the job just fine without all the different cams, etc.... As long as the top hat moves when i raise my foot off the pedal that's all i'm concerned with.

My vote goes for...Gimmick.
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FWIW, the Axis hihat stands feel almost identical to their pedals. If you are one to enjoy the feel of an Axis pedal, you will find some really great feel with the hihat stands too.

They do have a pronounced disadvantage though. The legs are light and springy, which means they don't feel as stable as a heavier built stand like an IC or DW.

Its been a trade off for me, as it plays so smooth and quickly and foot splashes on the hats are super easy and the transition from BD pedal to hihat pedal is effortless and comfortable. I just wish the thing was more solidly built so it feels more stable to play.

If it was built a bit more heavily in the legs, it would be the perfect hat stand...but I am not willing to trade it out because it feels so perfect to play.
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And if the game means "infinite adjustability", so be it. For me, it's all about "how does it feel". If it feels good......then I take it home.
You are so often, a fountain of useful information, H. I always sit up and pay attention when the likes of your-good-self are posting on gear.

The name of the game indeed does seem to be "infinite adjustability". My thoughts echo your own on "feel".....I was just quite intrigued as to how much feel one actually requires out of a hat stand. I was under the impression that if you put your foot down, the hats went "chink" and that was all that is required. I certainly get the merits of remote stands....their purpose is evident. It's the other "extras" that have sparked my interest. The last time I was in the market for one, rolling glides, cams and adjustable footboards didn't appear to be options. It's all new to me, mate.


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It's easy to say "I don't need that feature" then come back later and realize "Man, I wish I could adjust that there dohickey."

To me, functionality is worth the extra dough.
Thanks Ekim, I was hoping to hear from a few posters who own the higher end stuff. Now if I may ask, just what are the type of adjustable features that you find handy and what adjustments have you made to your stand that tailors it to your personal style and sets it apart from the run of the mill variety?
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Honestly i'm not that picky when it comes to hat stands. I'm currently useing a PDP stand and it does the job just fine without all the different cams, etc.... As long as the top hat moves when i raise my foot off the pedal that's all i'm concerned with.

My vote goes for...Gimmick.
Nor have I been Biscuit, in fact I'm still playing an old Export series stand from circa 1990....it's now time for a change though and when I went to check them out I was totally amazed at the engineering that goes into some of the current high end models.......hence this thread.

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and the transition from BD pedal to hihat pedal is effortless and comfortable
This is one point that has seemed to come up on a few occasions. I think it pretty much helps explain the need for footboard angle adjustment. I'm still yet to see anyone explain why the red cam is better on a hat stand than the blue...or why a rolling glide or pulley system should render the old style direct pull obsolete.

Interesting stuff.

Thanks for chiming in men.
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Nor have I been Biscuit, in fact I'm still playing an old Export series stand from circa 1990....it's now time for a change though and when I went to check them out I was totally amazed at the engineering that goes into some of the current high end models.......hence this thread.


I totally agree. It is amazeing what they are comeing out with now a days. When my current stand eventually dies i'll upgrade to a better Pearl stand or something. There is no telling what they will have come out with by then. With all the options they have now what else could they possibly do to make them better! haha Happy hunting PFOG, hope you score something you like!
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The idea of a HH stand behind the snare intrigues me. Since I don't have a remote to play with can you tell me the plus's and any drawbacks of having your HH there?
Check out Bill Brufords later drum kits here. http://www.billbruford.com/equipment/index.html He was the master drummer that planted the seed of drum set symmetry. With the hat behind the snare, you're always playing open handed. My ride cymbal, just to the right of the hats. Same thing. I'm running a 5 piece 26, 13, 16, 18, snare. No rack tom. My 13 is just right of my right leg, the 16 floor, right next door. No more 3 foot gap between the 13 and the 16. More like 1 inch. My 18" floor tom just left of my left leg.
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Does it take getting used to?
I've had quite a few cats sit behind my kit and basically take to it like a fish takes to water.
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As I read these boards and look at videos I'm all about efficiency. Having had 4 back surgeries the more efficient I can be in my movements around the kit the better for pain and stamina.
I have a bad hip, two bad knees, and a bad ankle. On good days, I walk with a cane. On bad days, I don't walk. (no, not so much). I just stay home and play the drums. I can sympathize.
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BTW for me the most efficient kit I ever played was a Drumkat. A whole kit in about 2 sq Feet.
I've played those before, yes, indeed. Personally, I own a Roland SPD-S. 13.5x11.5 inches.
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Hello! New guy here.

I vote for "gimmick", and unfortunately I fell for it!

Just purchased a new DW 9000 bass drum pedal along with the DW9500 three-legged hi-hat stand, and what did I get? An added 30 lbs to my trap case.

To add insult to injury, I knew this going in, thinking I'll eventually fall in love with my $600 investment. My thinking has always been that my stuff won't get broken while playing, it's when it gets moved around by others or set-up by others, so it needs to stand up on its own - and over the years this has been true for me. My stuff did move around alot and was set-up by alot of different people over the years.

But nowadays, not-so-much.

And to think the lesson that taught me that, yes, this was all a gimmick was when I got to see Steve Gadd do a clinic in Hollywood years ago. He played an old Gretsch Floating Action pedal that was modified with a gear and chain, and what looked like an early Yamaha 7-series hat, that he literally was stomping on!

Note to self....
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This is one point that has seemed to come up on a few occasions. I think it pretty much helps explain the need for footboard angle adjustment. I'm still yet to see anyone explain why the red cam is better on a hat stand than the blue...or why a rolling glide or pulley system should render the old style direct pull obsolete.
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The cam system allows you to have a different distance that your foot moves relative to the distance the top cymbal moves. For example, you could move your pedal 2 inches down with your foot and have the cymbal only move 1". That would be useful in replicating the bass drum feel with your foot, but maintaining a smaller gap in the cymbals up top.
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If you view the left foot as being as important as the right foot, all the options and variations start to make a little more sense.
Agree with you on this one completely :)

In jazz is the single piece of equipment on a kit not the hats?? :)
So would it not make sense to have the one that you are most comfortable with?

This may mean having the ultimate configuration. In which the low end gear might not have the customization options and so you may need high end gear :)

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The cam system allows you to have a different distance that your foot moves relative to the distance the top cymbal moves. For example, you could move your pedal 2 inches down with your foot and have the cymbal only move 1". That would be useful in replicating the bass drum feel with your foot, but maintaining a smaller gap in the cymbals up top.
Now we're getting somewhere. Never thought of that and I'm still not convinced it's an absolute neccessity, but it's the best explaination I've seen yet for the need for cams etc.

Worth the money? The jury is still well and truely out, but this is exactly the type of answer I've been searching for. Thx Crazy.
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The idea of a HH stand behind the snare intrigues me. Since I don't have a remote to play with can you tell me the plus's and any drawbacks of having your HH there?
Does it take getting used to?




You can give it a shot, put your closed legged stand in front of your snare, you won't be able to foot it, but you'll get the feeling of the hands/arms.

I played the hats at 12 O:Clock for about 6 months, then gave it up.

Its a boxing motion, whereas the 9-10:00 position is a left to right swing, much easier to flow with. Boxing throws force you to move your upper arms, while side to side motions can be pulled-off just by twisting your wrists, or by moving your forearms without extending your (heavy) upper arms. Most of your playing time is between the HH and the snare usually.

I realized 99% of the time its a shorter distance my arms had to travel with the hat at the 9-10:00 position as your hands can stay pretty much on the same horizontal plane, crossing sticks is not a problem for me.

Another drag is the 12:00 HH position cuts your kit in half If you set up like Bruford. You need to get over the HH to get to either side, you have to shift your horizontal plane, descending tom rolls are next to impossible.
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I say gimmick, for me at least. I've had several "better" stands over the years, but always end up back with my cheap '70s Ludwig stand. It does everything I need it to do.
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