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Old 05-11-2010, 07:22 PM
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Default 1 or 2 ply for lowest tuning?

Just wondering how to get my toms to the lowest possible tuning without sounding flappy/dead.

thick single ply like ec1's or ambassador x or gplus?

or 2 ply emperor's?

Also will putting a 2ply head as a resonant help me get lower?
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Old 05-11-2010, 09:00 PM
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Default Re: 1 or 2 ply for lowest tuning?

I wouldn't put a 2ply head as a reso. To me it just kills the drum.
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Old 05-11-2010, 09:36 PM
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Default Re: 1 or 2 ply for lowest tuning?

2 ply resonant no-no....I hear ya...

I am seriously considering the gplus as a resonant for my rack toms...
I just worry about sympathetic ringing...which the ec reso's seem to help quite a bit with.
Don't like to hear my toms ringing while I'm just hitting the kick....

Just to revise my first post: I don't neccessarily want to go any lower in pitch - I just want
a lil more reponse and more sustain at the pitch I am at.
I tune pretty low but not J.A.W and I don't like any pitch bend either.
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Old 05-11-2010, 10:35 PM
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Default Re: 1 or 2 ply for lowest tuning?

tried the evans hydrolics or what they are called.
lately iwe played a ambassador on resonance and a ec2 clear on top. i feel i can tune em pretty low and still get lots of sustain out of my toms and floors'.
sometimes ec2 coated or ec1 coated. Thats for metal or harder rock.

if im looking for a more boomy sound (retro rock or blues) i go evans resonance and g1 or g2 coated, sometimes g1 clear on reso.

for funk / hiphop / pop i almost always end up using evans reso or g1 clear on bottom and g1 or g2 clear on batter.

tho i have to say my drums tune super easy. Yamaha Maple Custom Aboslutes 10x8 12x9 14x13 16x15.
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Ludwig Classic maple 13x11 14x14 16x16
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Old 05-12-2010, 12:12 AM
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Default Re: 1 or 2 ply for lowest tuning?

Cool...Byzance thx...
those are some nice drums you playin there....

We play Retro/grunge...sort-of...don't know what to call it...all originals

Anyway, what I am faced with now is I have switched back and fourth between coated and clear (2ply) and find that I like the clearer sound of duh...clear heads...but the warmer attack of coated...

would switching to coated single ply be what I'm looking for?
or something like smooth white emperor?
I've heard the the smooth whites are somewhat in between coated and clear sounding.
Also looking at the new Ambassador x heads...

Looking clear tone with warm attack:)
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Old 05-13-2010, 11:55 AM
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Default Re: 1 or 2 ply for lowest tuning?

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Cool...Byzance thx...
those are some nice drums you playin there....

We play Retro/grunge...sort-of...don't know what to call it...all originals

Anyway, what I am faced with now is I have switched back and fourth between coated and clear (2ply) and find that I like the clearer sound of duh...clear heads...but the warmer attack of coated...

would switching to coated single ply be what I'm looking for?
or something like smooth white emperor?
I've heard the the smooth whites are somewhat in between coated and clear sounding.
Also looking at the new Ambassador x heads...

Looking clear tone with warm attack:)
if you are switching to a single ply coated from 2ply you are to expect a lot more tone out of your toms, also you have the option with the remo dotted cant remember exactly what they are called, but i recall a lot of the grunge players used em back in the days with there tama imperialstars etc :)

Perhapps the Evans G plus heads are what your looking for. they are somewhat in the middle not to bright not to dark in tone, u get a lof of sustain out of em. not all that mutch attack but they do not lack attack either.

All i really say is u have to try your ways, maby use different batterheads on floors&tom toms.

i got a number of setups of batterheads and switches depending on what im recording or playing atm.
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Old 05-15-2010, 04:34 AM
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Default Re: 1 or 2 ply for lowest tuning?

"clear tone with warm attack" "more boomy" "more resonance"

It sound like you want some single-ply coated heads.

One thing to keep in mind is that while tension changes the vibrations and pitch of the head, the fundamental pitch of the drum is determined by the diameter. You may have to make some compromises between sound and feel.
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Old 05-17-2010, 09:54 PM
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Default Re: 1 or 2 ply for lowest tuning?

I picked up some clear emperors becuase they were on sale and the tone is nice.

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