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Old 08-07-2009, 01:39 AM
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of course, that doesn´t mean that he is superman, but he was essential for the development of several kinds of music.
Yes - he IS superman - sure!!

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Old 08-09-2009, 06:25 PM
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I'm quite impressed with Gadd and his work is a constant go-to source for me when it's "hey, want to hear some very cool drumming?"

In some ways, I may be approaching it from "the other side" as I was a Classic[al] guitar major years ago.
So, for me, it's a bit of a "musician becoming a drummer" * as opposed to a "drummer becoming a musician" journey -- and I think that has colored my view.

* That isn't a "drummers aren't musicians" comment, I'm talking about the path of our development from 'operator' to 'artist' - it can apply (and oh how it does)to "guitarist" or "pipe organist" or "gambist" or "vocalist" just as easily
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Old 08-11-2009, 07:03 PM
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James Taylor and Steve Gadd at the North Sea Jazz Festival 2009 in Rotterdam.
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Old 08-31-2009, 03:53 PM
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Steve is a legend...

But why does he look so damn miserable on his vids???
well, his drug problems aside, there are a lot of musicians who don't smile while they are playing....weckl, jojo, elvin!....i think the only exception is bernhard purdie, that man never stops smiling!!
if i try and smile when i play it puts me off and i lose the beat, facial expressions and grunting can help a player in my opinion.
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Old 08-31-2009, 05:01 PM
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It's his groove that's so amazing. No wonder that James Taylor, Paul Simon and Eric Clapton hire him.
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Old 08-31-2009, 06:56 PM
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I don't expect anybody to analyse it and then answer my question, just if you have already seen it and know how to play it. I'm not looking for anyone to go out of their way in this but....does anyone know the sticking to this steve gadd video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiBQeTqEDZY&feature=fvst

the part that i am wondering about starts at 1:53 an ends at 2:03
any help would be greatly apreciated, i think is is some hybrid paradiddle.

ps:the part just before this point in the video is insane!!
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Old 11-13-2009, 05:16 PM
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I was on cloud 9 last night. I saw Steve Gadd live at Catalina's Jazz Club in L.A. He and his band were in great form; each member of the quartet took several solos.

Steve's performance exceeded even the highest espectations. His legendary feel, deft brushwork and when theings reved up he was absolutely explosive.

The man was very engaging with the audience and very humble. It was a great evening watching this great (and my favorite) drummer in a small setting like this.

An additional treat was that sitting at the table next to us were JIm Keltner, J.R Robinson and Louis Conte, all of whom were really enjoying watching their friend play.

What a night.
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Old 11-13-2009, 05:29 PM
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I'd love to see SG on his own or with his own band. I saw him in May with Clapton and was not impressed. He did the bare minimum. I'm not saying that's wrong but I would have liked more from him.

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Old 11-23-2009, 01:37 AM
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He's the best for all of the reasons mentioned. Of course he can't do everything, but what a ridiculous criterion on which to judge him. Doing 4-way polyrhythms that resolve every thousand bars is science its not music. For me, showing what can be done on an instrument in terms of technicality belongs in a circus. The fact is, simplicity, or rather refrain, is in itself a tool for a pro and Gadd uses it masterfully. Finally, Gadd's drumming communicates through its phrasing and composition and these alone are enough that you can identify his drumming even before he so perfectly and personally executes it. That is why Gadd is the drumming superman.

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Old 11-23-2009, 01:56 AM
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I'd love to see SG on his own or with his own band. I saw him in May with Clapton and was not impressed. He did the bare minimum. I'm not saying that's wrong but I would have liked more from him.
The bare minimum is why he gets hired. Did you know Taylor MOVED an entire tour to accomodate Steve's schedule? Think about that...
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Old 11-25-2009, 08:02 PM
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Can smb tell me what concrete A custom cymbals Gadd uses with Clapton ?
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Old 11-26-2009, 04:35 AM
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Unless you saw him in a very unique situation, he always uses his Ks- regardless who he's playing for. His sound, you know?
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Old 03-03-2010, 01:05 PM
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So, I have recently been watching some of Steve Gadd's performances and I can't for the life of me see why he is considered one of the best drummers of all time. I mean to be compared to people like Vinnie, Jojo Mayer and many more seems to be ridiculous to be me.

For example, I saw a performance of Vinnie, Dave Weckl, and Steve Gadd playing together, and he seemed to be totally outclassed by the others.

Is there something i'm missing? Or maybe I am unable to appreciate his drumming.
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Old 03-03-2010, 01:15 PM
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So, I have recently been watching some of Steve Gadd's performances and I can't for the life of me see why he is considered one of the best drummers of all time. I mean to be compared to people like Vinnie, Jojo Mayer and many more seems to be ridiculous to be me.

For example, I saw a performance of Vinnie, Dave Weckl, and Steve Gadd playing together, and he seemed to be totally outclassed by the others.

Is there something i'm missing? Or maybe I am unable to appreciate his drumming.
I saw that video - great entertainment! Yep, Steve didn't even try to compete, instead doing what he does best - grooving. In a song context Steve's strengths are his timing, touch, groove and taste; his song interpretations are a marvel. He just so "gets it".

I was first turned onto his playing via Stanley Clarke's Journey to Love, for example:

Concerto for Jazz/Rock Orchestra

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Old 03-03-2010, 01:22 PM
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Yes. Obviously there is. It seems your description of amazing, world class drummer includes a hearty dose of chops and licks..While it is true that the drummers you've mentioned, and others perhaps, can "out chop" Steve at this stage of his career, let me say this:

1) Steve Gadd influenced those drummers in major ways. Steve created, or conceptualized many of the fills and grooves those guys play.

2) Steve is a groove master who has played on thousands of records, not by flashing chops, but playing music, the song.

3) Steve has influenced probably millions of drummers thru these recordings and performances.

4) Steve is a WONDERFUL, beautiful human being. VERY humble, and down to earth for someone who has achieved SO MUCH....'nuff said on that one!

I suggest you listen to recordings of Steve with Chick Corea in the '70's. Listen to Aja by Steely Dan, just to start out. DOn't watch "dig me " clips on You Tube for comparisons.

I'll be peeking in on this thread, for sure..Should be interesting..
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Old 03-03-2010, 01:29 PM
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Yeah, Gadd is pretty much one of the great "pocket" drummers of all time. I dig Gadd, Bernard Purdie, Carter Beauford and David Garibaldi for their groove. Against the Weckl's and Vinnies of the world, their style is totally different, Just because you're not pushing the envelope with chops doesn't mean you're not a great drummer. Lately I've seen a lot of Jojo clips on Youtube when he's just laid back chillin' and groovin' and I know for a fact the chops-wise he's a God among drummers and could wipe us all out with one hand and one foot if he chose to. Think of Gadd's style like driving a Ferrari five miles per hour UNDER the speed limit in a school zone. You're still turning heads even if you're not on the redline. Keep digging for more clips of Steve Gadd.
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Old 03-03-2010, 01:41 PM
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To the OP-- In the past, I probably would have agreed with you. And yes, it is definitely true that Vinnie or Dave may have played more technically difficult licks in that video with the three of them playing. But above all other things, Steve Gadd makes a song groove. He can play a drum part that makes you want to dance. Basically, that's the end of it. Of course I don't mean to say that Steve does not have technically ability or chops, because he most definitely has more than he needs, he just uses them with taste, which is #1. The way I see it, Steve Gadd has accomplished the incredibly difficult task of being a drummer who is totally detached from his playing, always merely a spectator to his own drumming, and always listening, no matter what he is playing.

I know what you might be thinking--and this is because I thought the same thing in the past--you watched the video of the three drummers soloing and you thought that Steve Gadd sounded bad. I think that's understandable, especially since I'm arguing that he is one of the best-sounding drummers in the world, but it doesn't matter if you personally think he sounds bad. I think on one hand you have to consider that everyone has different taste in music and maybe you just didn't dig his style in that video. But on the other hand--and no offense because I mean this in the best way possible--I think you have to consider if you are really just listening for pleasure. I have committed the drumming crime before of listening to a drummer with mad chops just thinking, "this guy is insane!! How did he play that lick?? Is he using double bass?? what's the sticking?? I need to be able to play that complicated!!" And it is nice to see a drummer who has really shed stuff and can play his butt off, but for any regular person who doesn't care how good a drummer is--and we shouldn't care either, we should just care if he sounds good--they will only listen to how groovy his or her playing is. I think it was Steve himself who was quoted as saying (I'm paraphrasing) "It's all about the groove. Nothing else matters."

Also, if you need any more proof, just look at what Pat has said above about Steve's enormous career. Lots of people really dig the sound of his drumming.
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Old 03-03-2010, 01:42 PM
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I'd agree with your assumption that you might be missing something here.

This may or may not change your views on Steve's chops of the lack of them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hUGKu5WwrA , but history will tell you that Steve was the definitive drummer of his time, and like all greats do, he put his stamp on the music of that time, and influenced an entire generation of players.

As Pat says, Dave Weckl & Vinnie both, have cited Gadd as a major influence in their playing and Gadd had a lot to do with the way they play and sound, today.

So there's them apples : )


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Old 03-03-2010, 01:53 PM
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For example, I saw a performance of Vinnie, Dave Weckl, and Steve Gadd playing together, and he seemed to be totally outclassed by the others.

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If you mean this (Showdown, Buddy Rich Memorial 1989):
http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/showdown.html

then in the opinion of most drummers, experts, forum discussions, Steve Gadd is delivering the "clearest message" just in this sample.

Great drumming also here:
http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/s...ddsaudade.html
http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/s...dbackhome.html

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Old 03-03-2010, 02:00 PM
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If you listen to Dave and Vinnie´s playing, you can clearly hear where they got most of their inspiration from. I see Steve Gadd as "the drumming dad" while Vinnie and Dave are his "drumming kids", evolving and carrying it on through a new generation(in the video too).
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So, I have recently been watching some of Steve Gadd's performances and I can't for the life of me see why he is considered one of the best drummers of all time. I mean to be compared to people like Vinnie, Jojo Mayer and many more seems to be ridiculous to be me.

For example, I saw a performance of Vinnie, Dave Weckl, and Steve Gadd playing together, and he seemed to be totally outclassed by the others.

Is there something i'm missing? Or maybe I am unable to appreciate his drumming.
Vinnie is a king of chops and speed but man Gadd has the groove in that video. My favourite part is and always will be where Gadd brings the groove in i feel it so much. Not really a listener of his playing but i appreciate it most definately.
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Old 03-03-2010, 02:16 PM
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JT1- Please, please, please,please, please,please, please,please, please,please, please,please, please,please, please,please, please,please, please,..dont take this thread anywhere near the GROOVE v/s CHOPS cliff edge.

Steve Gadd has all the chops & all the groove he needs. He has played on more albums than Vinnie & Dave put together, ( please feel free to add a few more names of world class drummers here, and he'd still be more.. ), and thats the proof of the pudding, period. In eating it.

Playing music has never been a comparative analysis of certain body parts, its about how effectively they are used. If that were true, the entire world would collectively bow to Thomas Lang and not to Ringo Starr.

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Old 03-03-2010, 02:25 PM
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In the video with Vinnie and Dave, notice how in the first lot of solos Gadd just lays down a really solid Crazy Army groove. Not as technically impressive as the other two but it grooves really well. It might take a while to appriciate it, but after some more listening I'm sure you'll get it.
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There are certain imitable features to Steve's playing and as others have cited he has influenced many players.

I think the most enjoyable aspect is the Gadd lilt. When you listen to his playing a placement of the notes that is unique.

Another thing is that Gadd was one of a handful of players who actually started to write drum grooves that were not only innovative but became an irreplaceable part of the song. When you look at a tune like Paul Simon's 50 Ways to Leave Your Lover or Late in the Evening, you can't imagine those tunes without Gadd's drum part. His work with Al Jarreau as well as the sambas he plays on Chick Corea's Friends are also first class. . He does this while at the same time playing very drummistic patters: with rudiments and Stone stickings.

Gadd plays in a way that inspires the others around him through his infectious groove and musical attitude towards playing. Regardless of what any one thinks about his playing, you don't become the most recorded drumming in history without doing something right.
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Is there something i'm missing? Or maybe I am unable to appreciate his drumming.
One word my friend: "Feel" and with an arsenal of chops. I don't know how old you are but
as your drumming matures you'll appreciate Gadd's talent.
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While I agree with everything being said - just for the record Dave Weckl and especially Vinnie got great groove too...!!
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This may or may not change your views on Steve's chops of the lack of them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hUGKu5WwrA
He surely rips on that one!
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So, I have recently been watching some of Steve Gadd's performances and I can't for the life of me see why he is considered one of the best drummers of all time. I mean to be compared to people like Vinnie, Jojo Mayer and many more seems to be ridiculous to be me.
I just have to laugh. That's all... I'm out on this one.
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I only can say:

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Gadd is one of those guys you can sit and watch...and be instantly humbled at how great he makes the instrument sound. He could play a "money beat" and make you feel like you just picked up the sticks yesterday. It's that instantly recognizable mojo that the great drummers have.
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According to Steve's long time friend, bass player Anthony Jackson, Steve's approach to each recording session is unique among drummers.

Steve doesn't simply add a drum part, he literally orchestrates one for every song he records.

At one point Vinnie Colaiuta, no lightweight himself, proclaims Steve "One of the most important drummers who ever lived."

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For example, I saw a performance of Vinnie, Dave Weckl, and Steve Gadd playing together, and he seemed to be totally outclassed by the others.
Different strokes for different folks I guess. I thought Gadd blew the other two out of the water. Vinnie seemed to just play single stoke rolls for most of the solo and that got really old for me. Weckl lacks soul and seems too mechanical.

Gadd played in the pocket and whenever I hear that drum battle I can't sit still when Gadds playing. Vinnies never done much for me.

That said the much talked about 50 ways geoove left me shaking my head when I first heard it. I thought it was kinda silly.

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This is really funny. I was talking to a bass player freind about this clip a year ago, and we thought Steve was the clear "winner" (ugh, need a better word) because he just layed down the fattest groove. It kind of speaks to the new era, where the drum stars are creating their own context-either as a soloist or with a "gospel chops" vamp going on- as opposed to the studio stars of yesterday, who made their name playing in a band or sideman context.
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So, I have recently been watching some of Steve Gadd's performances and I can't for the life of me see why he is considered one of the best drummers of all time. I mean to be compared to people like Vinnie, Jojo Mayer and many more seems to be ridiculous to be me.

For example, I saw a performance of Vinnie, Dave Weckl, and Steve Gadd playing together, and he seemed to be totally outclassed by the others.

Is there something i'm missing? Or maybe I am unable to appreciate his drumming.
I'd say you're missing context.

When looking back at a great, you have to consider where they were at the time and not compare them to who else is around now.

Much like football players of the 60's and 70's, the greatest back then seem average now because the "chops" bar has been raised so much higher.

When Gadd was at the highest point of his recording career and wowing people with solos that got him the reputation of greatest drummer, Weckl was still in Jr High school. Jojo Mayer had never been heard of. Vinnie was just getting started.

Weckl and Vinnie, among others, were very influenced by Gadd. Gadd was doing what they are doing before they were doing it.

So it's no surprise they took what Gadd did and improved upon it to the point that looking at them NOW, it appears Gadd is not quite on the same level.

Just because the student might surpassed the teacher doesn't mean the teacher is no longer deserving his credit.

There are 100's of drummer debates like this where one guy was innovate, but someone else took it to a new level. But the guy at the new level wouldn't be there without the predecessor.

I was never into Gadd when I was younger. I didn't much get it either. But as I've gotten older, I've been able to appreciate where he was coming from more, and appreciate what he does. I'd kill to have his feel and sense of groove.

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All I can say is look at this discography

http://www.drstevegadd.com/discography.htm

To me this says it all. The diversity of the artists that Steve Gadd has worked with is off the charts. And we're not talking being hired to perform here, that's a side-bar. Gadd is hired to make music and stamp it in stone when the record button is pressed.

I would take Gadd's infinite musical wisdom, innovation, incredible grooves and sublime sense of rhythm over any amount of chops, any day of the week. When I hear Gadd play, I am hearing is a living, breathing rhythmic GPS device that knows where a song a going and how it's going to end. Yet at the same rate he is incredibly present and musically in the moment.

All of this is no knock on Vinnie or Dave. They are fantastic drummers, & I am sure they would be the first to tell anyone that what Steve Gadd has and what he has done is what matters most.
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So, I have recently been watching some of Steve Gadd's performances and I can't for the life of me see why he is considered one of the best drummers of all time. I mean to be compared to people like Vinnie, Jojo Mayer and many more seems to be ridiculous to be me.
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Much like football players of the 60's and 70's, the greatest back then seem average now because the bar has been raised so much higher.
Nah, the bar for what Steve has achieved hasn't moved an inch. How do you improve on the biggest, phattest, most inviting groove that begs everyone to come in and feel its embrace?
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If you mean this (Showdown, Buddy Rich Memorial 1989):
http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/showdown.html
Well, the crowd definitely had more enthusiasm in applause.... when Gadd when into that groove....over what they gave Weckl and Vinnie.

Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

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Nah, the bar for what Steve has achieved hasn't moved an inch. How do you improve on the biggest, phattest, most inviting groove that begs everyone to come in and feel its embrace?
I had a feeling you'd find a way to say it, perfectly.


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I had a feeling you'd find a way to say it, perfectly.


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Thanks. Though I should add that Steve wasn't the first or the last to aim at that bar...
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