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Old 11-08-2009, 05:22 PM
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Hi guys,

I've just given my Spaun maple custom a makeover with a new rack & effect cymbals.
I bought two curved Pearl DR sections then shortened the side one to be as compact as possible. I already had some Yamaha cymbal arms and added more to complete the setup. I prefer the Yamaha cymbal arms to Pearl but I like the Pearl rack better than the Yamaha (a lot cheaper too). The whole setup suffers a little from hardware overload but the kit occupies a much smaller footprint than before. A lot faster to set up too.

Most of my cymbals are a combination of modern & traditional dark styles with the odd modern bright cymbal thrown in for good measure. I've replaced some of my bright effect cymbals with new ones from the Turkish maker, Murat Diril. They make four cymbal ranges. I strongly suggest you check out their Renaissance range as a direct competitor to the top series of the big brands (no, I'm not getting paid to say that). These are the darkest of all, the Black Sea range is really trashy, short, a bit quiet but very musical. Apparently, I'm the first in the UK to use these. They're very specialised and certainly won't suit the modern player wanting bright cutting cymbals but they're perfect for my mixed bag approach. Even my little old beloved B8 splash mixes well with them!

Both my kit and cymbal setup gives me huge tonal range in a compact package. Although my cymbal set is wierd by most players standards, I love the range of textures and contrasts is presents. I could have chosen matching stuff but that just didn't do it for me in the major brands. I even use my Vault hats upside down for rock, normal way for everything else. Maybe not what Sabian intended but it really works for me. It was quite a nice day today so I took the kit outside to get some better light. Anyhow, here's the spec's;

Spaun custom maple 5.5mm shells, gold plated brass lugs:
8x7
10x8
12x9
14x11
20x18
14x3.5 Pearl brass free floating shell snare
13x5 Spaun stave maple snare (not pictured)
Pearl DR rack
Yamaha cymbal arms, tom holders, hihat stand, remote hihat
DW snare stand, 5000 pedals, stool

Sabian:
20" HH leopard ride
14" HH hihats
14" Vault hihats
16" HH duo crash
16" HHX power crash
16" APX ozone crash
20" HHX china
8" B8 splash
10" B8 chopper

Murat Diril "The Black Sea"
16" china
10" splash
12" splash

Thanks for taking the time to look at my setup.
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Old 11-08-2009, 05:45 PM
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Old 11-08-2009, 05:46 PM
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Very nice looking set. I love the 8, 10, 12 setup. Must be because that's what I have. And great photos. None of that cell phone stuff. Great job and definitely comfy to play
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The first word that popped into my head was "inspiring." That's about a high a compliment I can give. I like nice, clean, orderly setups. This one fits the bill. I like the gold hardware on the natural finish, too. High quality outdoor pics really showcase the set. Good work.
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:40 PM
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The first word that popped into my head was "inspiring." That's about a high a compliment I can give. I like nice, clean, orderly setups. This one fits the bill. I like the gold hardware on the natural finish, too. High quality outdoor pics really showcase the set. Good work.
Thanks guys, my kit takes up very little space and that's a big bonus in a lot of gigs. Just looked at your stuff TPT. Really love that green lacquer finish.
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Wow KIS, that's an awsome drumkit. I would really love to hear it. I'm very curious about those Black Sea cymbals aswell. Great pictures, beautiful place to live I think.

What's the writing inside the 10" about btw?
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Wow KIS, that's an awsome drumkit. I would really love to hear it. I'm very curious about those Black Sea cymbals aswell. Great pictures, beautiful place to live I think.

What's the writing inside the 10" about btw?
Thanks Frank, I wondered if anyone would pick up on the writing. They're the signatures of Simon Phillips, Jojo Mayer & Carmine Appice. The guys kindly signed the shell for me.
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that kit is just amazing KIS. I love how clean everything looks on it and it looks like it would be a blast to play. I was also wondering what the writing was but luckily Frank already asked that question haha. I also noticed that you have no hi hat rod, what are the advantages of that because you aren't putting anything above it?
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Nice kit !! Same sizes and configuration as my taye kit. I see that you're using ec2's for your batter heads too, whatcha using for reso's ?
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Lovely set up KIS. Love the look of the natural maple. Looks a joy to sit behind. Great kit!!!
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I also noticed that you have no hi hat rod, what are the advantages of that because you aren't putting anything above it?
You guys have such an eye for detail! I used to have the little chopper mounted directly above the hats and the rod got in the way. I also tend to use both hands to move from the hats to the 8" tom. Thanks for the complements.
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I see that you're using ec2's for your batter heads too, whatcha using for reso's ?
Actually Jay, I'm using EC1's. I find EC2's too heavy. The reso's are original Spaun branded Evans G1's. I find EC1 batters are a bit heavy on most kits but these toms are extremely resonant due to the thin shells without re rings. The kit spends a fair bit of it's life mic'd up otherwise I'd be using a lighter batter than EC1 for acoustic work.
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Old 11-09-2009, 11:05 AM
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That thing is beautiful! I love the black sea cymbals
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Very nice, was that the sun that i saw outside. Is there a web sight for those drums.
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Very nice, was that the sun that i saw outside. Is there a web sight for those drums.
Yes, sun in November in the UK! Spaun have a site with lots of pics & some very cool kits.
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Old 11-09-2009, 04:48 PM
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I love that kit!!!
I would love to have such a cymbal selection!!

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Old 11-09-2009, 04:50 PM
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Matching cymbals are like wearing all GAP clothing.. shirts, bermudas, socks et al.. humbug! What does it say about you? Sweet nothing, I say!
..never saw the point in doing that unless someone was doling out free gear or money...

I love your cymbal set up..spectacular is the word that comes to mind. Its all about colors isn't it even if some get it out of 2 cymbals ,its still all bout the colors & textures.. I specially like those cymbals from hell... Murat? ( wasn't there a movie with Sasha Cohen by that name?? ).
Actually there is very little that I dont like about your kit.. the weird cymbals, the hardwares all sorted nicely, the blonde wood, the sizes, the way you have it all snug around the seat.. perfect.

And nice touch with the shutter too btw, nice yard too, ... I wish there was something, anything, that I could crank your chain about , but alas, you have foiled me old chap.

PS- I thought I'd have a go at the heads, but they are the same ones I use. Ah, well.

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I wish there was something, anything, that I could crank your chain about , but alas, you have foiled me old chap.

PS- I thought I'd have a go at the heads, but they are the same ones I use. Ah, well.
I thought you'd pick up on the fact that keep it simple hadn't kept it simple!

The camera's a 7 year old Casio, nothing special and way off spec compared to the latest stuff. The Black Sea cymbals are very different to anything else out there. Very trashy, not very cutting & short but with beautifully musical lows you just don't get with other dark cymbals. Not sure I'd use them for my front line cymbals. In another genre, I certainly would. The Murat Diril Renaissance series are superb though. I mean, really superb. If I was starting again, or building up a second set, I'd use them over any of the three big brands. They really are that good and half the price of the big three.
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That looks so comfortable to play. I wish I had such a great cymbal set up.
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I thought you'd pick up on the fact that keep it simple hadn't kept it simple!
I did. : )

But then I thought twice about it because then I'd have to go into this whole discourse about hidden meanings and the degree of difficulty involved in 'keeping things simple'.
About Haiku poetry, Japanese calligraphy, and how Shaolin monks have to totally own the martial arts in order to be totally non violent, about the parts of an iceberg that you dont see, about the birth of the Billy Jean groove, about the infinity between 2 notes or 2 beats, about what makes Steve Jordan, Steve Jordan, about the difference between simple & simplicity, and why simple sounds better when its a choice rather than a fait accompli.

oops....somebody stop me..

You and your kit are what is described in my trade as 'the tension between two opposites'.
Its a stunning one-of-a kind kit and doesn't deserve any wisecracking whatsoever because a lot of thought, love, and feeling have gone into every tiny aspect of it, right down to its presentation here.. so I shall remain suitably sombre and deeply impressed.

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I did. : )

But then I thought twice about it because then I'd have to go into this whole discourse about hidden meanings and the degree of difficulty involved in 'keeping things simple'.
About Haiku poetry, Japanese calligraphy, and how Shaolin monks have to totally own the martial arts in order to be totally non violent, about the parts of an iceberg that you dont see, about the birth of the Billy Jean groove, about the infinity between 2 notes or 2 beats, about what makes Steve Jordan, Steve Jordan, about the difference between simple & simplicity, and why simple sounds better when its a choice rather than a fait accompli.

oops....somebody stop me..

You and your kit are what is described in my trade as 'the tension between two opposites'.
Its a stunning one-of-a kind kit and doesn't deserve any wisecracking whatsoever because a lot of thought, love, and feeling have gone into every tiny aspect of it, right down to its presentation here.. so I shall remain suitably sombre and deeply impressed.

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Oooo, that was deep, & got me thinking. I've never really thought of my kit as an extension of my own character (I smell a new thread). I like quality in everything I do. If I do something, I want it to be the best I can make it, otherwise I walk away. The rack is my resolution to my frustration at having to manipulate stands every time I set up & break down. It brings order & predictability to my kit. Something I value in all walks of life. The drums are pure and true to the materials they're crafted from. They hold no surprises and deliver succinctly according to their appearance. I take people at face value and hope they reciprocate in kind. The cymbals are an eclectic mix of soft landings & explosive expression. There's always the feeling of the ability to massage and destruction available at the strike of a stick. That's my fantasy character. So yes, the kit says something about me. Glad you liked it.
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I wish I had such a great cymbal set up.
You will in time my friend. Just keep doing what you're doing. If you are thinking of getting any new pies at some stage, check out the renaissance range from Murat Diril (not the Black Sea like my effects cymbals). If I was building up a set, I'd go for them over the big three and they're half the price of the HHX's, K's, etc.
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Where can I buy some Murat Diril cymbals? I really love the sound of the black sea.
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Where can I buy some Murat Diril cymbals? I really love the sound of the black sea.
Hi Max, I've no idea where you can buy them in Canada but a mail to the contact below will be able to advise you. As you can see, you can even mail Murat Diril himself although I've had nice communications with Ms. Sewtap Demir.

MURAT DIRIL CYMBALS

Adresse : Ornek Sanayi Sitesi 10. Sokak No:26 SAMSUN/TURKEY

Phone : +90 362 266 96 52

Fax : +90 362 266 96 62

E-mail : murat@muratdiril.com , sewtap@muratdiril.com

Website : www.muratdiril.com

The website has some quite truthful sound samples you may wish to try. My Black Sea cymbals sound very similar in reality to the sound clips on the site. I would offer a word of caution though, the Black Sea range don't cut through an amplified band mix as well as other cymbals. They're very dark and don't sit well with modern high paced music unless you use them as a contrast like me. I can tell you that their Renaissance range of cymbals are simply superb. Not as dark as the Black Sea cymbals but still with plenty of body and they cut through just nicely. I'd say they're similar to Sabian HHX but with a more musical character. They do a brighter version of the Renaissance range as well called Renaissance Luminous. If Sewtap can advise you of a stockist, that would be great as it's always best to try them out first. I took a gamble and it paid off. Good luck, KIS.
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Where can I buy some Murat Diril cymbals? I really love the sound of the black sea.
Max, just got this back from the very friendly people at Murat Diril. Mail them & they'll put you onto the Canadian distributor. They'll deal with you directly if they don't have a distributor in that country.

Dear Andy,

Thanks so much for your kind e-mail.

We are so glad to meet with you.

We have many distributorships which are USA, Canada, UK, Ireland, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, France and Belgium. Now our website is renewed by our designer, as soon as he finishes the new website, we will also show our distributors and their contact informations in our website. Whoever is interested in our cymbals, they can contact with us, then I will give our distributorship contact information to them. So they can reach our cymbals easily. If someone is interested in our cymbals in a country which we dont have any distributors, we will send their interested cymbals from here directly.

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Very nice. I'm not normally a fan of the gold hardware but here it looks great with the natural finish.
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Max, just got this back from the very friendly people at Murat Diril. Mail them & they'll put you onto the Canadian distributor. They'll deal with you directly if they don't have a distributor in that country.

Dear Andy,

Thanks so much for your kind e-mail.

We are so glad to meet with you.

We have many distributorships which are USA, Canada, UK, Ireland, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, France and Belgium. Now our website is renewed by our designer, as soon as he finishes the new website, we will also show our distributors and their contact informations in our website. Whoever is interested in our cymbals, they can contact with us, then I will give our distributorship contact information to them. So they can reach our cymbals easily. If someone is interested in our cymbals in a country which we dont have any distributors, we will send their interested cymbals from here directly.

With my best wishes

Ms.Sewtap Demir

MURAT DIRIL CYMBALS

Adresse : Ornek Sanayi Sitesi 10. Sokak No:26 SAMSUN/TURKEY

Phone : +90 362 266 96 52

Fax : +90 362 266 96 62

E-mail : murat@muratdiril.com , sewtap@muratdiril.com

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Thank you keepitsimple. I'll listen the Renaissance series too.
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The way you setup your kit and the attention to detail speaks volumes. Great looking kit, and great pictures,...a job well done. You can view several of my kits at www.awdrums.com

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Cheers Alan, I like the job you've done on the Spaun kit. I'm curious, what difference did adding cast hoops make to the tom sounds? Did you change just the top or bottoms as well? Great kit pics BTW.
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I can tell you that their Renaissance range of cymbals are simply superb. Not as dark as the Black Sea cymbals but still with plenty of body and they cut through just nicely. I'd say they're similar to Sabian HHX but with a more musical character. They do a brighter version of the Renaissance range as well called Renaissance Luminous. If Sewtap can advise you of a stockist, that would be great as it's always best to try them out first. I took a gamble and it paid off. Good luck, KIS.
I have a 17" Renaissance crash, and recorded with it for the first time last night. I was surprised how dark it sounded when listening back to the rough mix. Really lovely. I would recommend Murat Diril and I am certainly going to buy more of these cymbals.

Very lovely kit by the way...
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I have a 17" Renaissance crash, and recorded with it for the first time last night. I was surprised how dark it sounded when listening back to the rough mix. Really lovely. I would recommend Murat Diril and I am certainly going to buy more of these cymbals.

Very lovely kit by the way...
Sorry, missed your reply. Can you post the recording? I'd be really interested to hear that 17" Renaissance. I'm doing a bit of basic cover demo recording next month. I'll post that when it's done.
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