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Old 08-07-2009, 12:36 PM
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Ringo Starr is a clever guy.....simple as that.

It would be interesting to have Ringo's comments, on the Feel and Technique issue?
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Old 08-07-2009, 12:43 PM
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Old 08-07-2009, 01:32 PM
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Some reasons I love Ringo:
  • Let It Be
  • Come Together
  • A Day In The Life
  • Here Comes The Sun
  • Getting Better All the Time
  • Tomorrow Never Knows
  • Instant Amnesia (off Ringorama).

The smartest rock drummer? Hmm, I'd say Bill Bruford. Like Ringo he made a good living playing exactly what he wanted. So many great tracks - And You and I, Larks Tongues Pt 1, Starless, One More Red Nightmare, Frame By Frame, Thela Hun Ginjeet ... no jingles for that little black duck! The closest he came to that was the Yes reunion concerts :)
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Old 08-07-2009, 01:56 PM
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Shiningtime Station!

Personally there are only a few beatles tracks that I actually like the drums on. I never cared much for his playing..
the OP has a good point that he is a huge success. So yeah, a technical drummer he is not, but i do think he did have a certain musical quality that can't be ignored... but really when it comes down to it i think that he owes his success to the other beatles... he probably wouldn't have made it on his own. So that being the case i wouldn't say "Smartest"... i'd say "Luckiest".
But that's just my opininon.

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Old 08-07-2009, 02:41 PM
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yea I don't literally mean smartest, but for maximum return on minimal investment, I can't think of anyone who can top him.
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Old 08-07-2009, 02:47 PM
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Old 08-07-2009, 02:51 PM
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He was hired, as a drummer, to join a band, to keep the beat. He did that very well.
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Old 08-07-2009, 03:04 PM
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i love you all.

Ringo is great.

Don't bash Ringo.

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Old 08-07-2009, 03:04 PM
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Even though I was brought up in Liverpool, I was never a fan of his playing, although I did like his narration of the childrens television series "Thomas the tank engine". Smartest, I'm not so sure there is such a thing but he certainly was smart enough to realise the audience didn't care about his technique. They just got off on the whole sound and performance. Now that is a lesson in smartness that many drummers would be wise to take on board!

Smartest? I'd say probably not. Smart? Oh yes.
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Old 08-07-2009, 04:15 PM
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yea I don't literally mean smartest, but for maximum return on minimal investment, I can't think of anyone who can top him.
How about Moony? Unless you count driving Rolls Royces into swimming pools as an "investment" :) Um, not sure he was the brightest crayon in the box, though.

Ah, back in the old days you were allowed a little looseness if you could move people.
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Old 08-07-2009, 04:55 PM
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KeepitSimple, kept it simple. He understands. Why do people have to make issues of non issues. Ringo didn't play in 1990 to 2010 progressive bands. He played in a 1960's rock band. His style and methods may well have been different in a diffferent era. Geeze get over it with Ringo for Gods sake.
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Old 08-07-2009, 05:14 PM
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The reason I brought him up is because here we are knocking ourselves out to learn polyrhythms and blazing fast singles, and every other darn thing, trying to get as much technique as we can, when it's not really necessary to create good feeling music.
He is a great example of working smart, not hard.
I realize that can be taken as a bash but it's not. I'm saying he gets what is really important. So everybody can now stop practicing ha ha.
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Old 08-07-2009, 06:05 PM
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He is a great example of working smart, not hard.
I realize that can be taken as a bash but it's not. I'm saying he gets what is really important. So everybody can now stop practicing ha ha.
Oh ... don't do that, it takes a well practiced set of limbs to get that 'simple' stuff spot on. Ringo may have lacked the flair that we have come to expect from rock drummers - but his sense of time pretty much defines what drummers are supposed to be ... solid.
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Old 08-07-2009, 07:21 PM
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What is really reprehensible when the question of Ringo's drumming dexterity rears its ugly head is that Paul, John and George never did the right thing when they unceremoniously dumped Pete Best from the group in the first place.

Considering that the type of live drumming required by Rock & Roll percussionist in the early 1960's was not what it was by the late 1960's, Best was as good as, or better than, Ringo. John, Paul and George never complained about Best's competency for the year he played in clubs with them. In fact, it seems Best was the real draw for the chics who came to see these Liverpudlians.

It is obvious that when the Beatles were about to turn the corner, they had pangs of insecurity and even resentment about their current drummer, who was better looking and who might upstage their lyrics and melodies.

Would Billy Cobham or Ginger Baker have fit into the Beatles scheme better than Ringo? Of course not. Ringo was the perfect non-threatening musician who was counted on to compliment the stylized George Martin studio sound and who would not Wow! listeners with riffs that might diminish the other three's capabilities.

But it is interesting when the group (John, Paul, George) pursued individual careers, they all employed drummers whom they did not inhibit from a more productive and energetic rhythm than Ringo demonstrated on the Beatles 13 albums.

Had Ringo been Herman's Hermit's drummer would anyone know his name today? No. But Ringo was smart enough to know a good thing when he saw it (heard it?) and he rode the Beatles phenomenon for all it was worth.
I could NOT imagine The Beatles without Ringo, it is that simple. There is a symbiotic relationship that can not be denied. Really, I think it is illogical to start saying that one drummer is better than another. Maybe if you had 2 drummers having to play the same piece of music and then be judged you could say one was "more technical" or the other had "better feel" but you would still have 2 drummers. I'm not sure if that is a very good analogy but perhaps the gist is understood. Great points made Bernard and yourself, it definitely leans to my way of thinking.
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Old 08-07-2009, 11:07 PM
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Pete didn't turn out to be in GQ himself.
and here is a sound byte from George martin on his abilities.

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Old 11-25-2009, 08:36 PM
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Ringo had a hard time doing complex rolls and other breakthrough drumming parts because he was a Left handed Drummer playing a Right handed drum kit. Makes sense to me why he didn't really branch from a basic rock beat!

It's hard for a Right handed guy playing a Left Handed guitar and trying to be like Hendrix!
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Old 11-25-2009, 11:07 PM
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Playing a right hand set as a left handed drummer is the best thing, that can happen.
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Old 11-25-2009, 11:26 PM
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I just had a thought. Ringo Starr was already a professional drummer when he joined the Beatles, so I wonder if there are any recordings of his playing before he became a Beatle. I guess I could Google it. That would be interesting to hear.

I love Ringo's drumming. There's a real generosity of spirit in his playing, I very much get the feeling that he loved those songs, so much so that he took great care not to step all over them. He loved those songs, well, who wouldn't, but he played just perfectly on those songs, just perfectly, especially when you consider that they did many takes of the same tune. He kept it going. RIngo had a great sense of time and consistancy.

Also, I think he had a very personal sound on the drums, a sort of loping, happy way of playing, that's the only way I can think of to describe it.

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Old 11-26-2009, 12:31 AM
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I know he used to be in a band called Rory Storm and the Hurricanes. I YouTubed it and got results. It's def him.
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Old 11-26-2009, 12:57 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rtC9riuBRc

Indeed it is..........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYAL-...eature=related

On this one you can see Ringos stylish side to side HiHat stroke.
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Old 11-26-2009, 01:43 AM
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Definitely. Looking at those it's weird to think where he ended up. I think the Beatles brought out the artist in him, maybe. I think they brought out the artist in each other. Whatever, he sure rose to the occasion.

Earlier I was listening to "I Want To Tell You." That's some great drumming, right on the money. I always liked the way Ringo played a shuffle.

And put yourself in Ringo's place when John Lennon brought in "Come Together." Could you have come up with a dead-hip drum part like that? It's a classic.

There are so many classic songs that he just absolutely nailed. What a great drummer.

Good old RIngo Starr! I love the guy.
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Old 11-26-2009, 02:55 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rtC9riuBRc

Indeed it is..........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYAL-...eature=related

On this one you can see Ringos stylish side to side HiHat stroke.
Love the live clip, GD. Great guitar sound. You can see Ringo shaking his head and, as you say, playing side to side.

Construct, agree about Come Together. I've wondered at times how he came up with that. Great drum composition.
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Old 11-26-2009, 07:11 PM
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"Ringo sux lol!"

Anyway, me and the keyboardist in my band has always made fun of Ringo and saying that he's made a top secret drum-technique dvd. In this dvd the only thing he said(which was the top secret technique), was keeping 8ths on the bassdrum in fills.

On the other side, I've always like Beatles, even if some of the later stuff was pretty out there(Revolution nr 9 or what its called). I remember MCcartney saying that Ringo wasnt even the best drummer in the band? In an octopus´ garden isnt the best Beatles song, but many people seem to forget that good old Ringo was there and layed out the beats while MCcartney and Lennon was arguing about the music. He does a decent job too, and he isnt as bad as people say he is. He gets alot of flack for being to simple in comparison to MCcartneys bassplaying, but atleast it sounds good enough.
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Old 11-26-2009, 08:09 PM
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Don't bash Ringo

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Old 11-26-2009, 08:54 PM
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I just taught one of my 8 year olds Come Together. It took us about six weeks.

Take that RockBand . . . ®

I would like to get Ringo's take on the technical prowess vs. financial success thread.
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Ringo was good enough to dump Pete Best, and the Beatles had one of the best, if not the best, producers when they were together, and he had no problem with Ringo. He was from an era where keeping the beat was more important than flash and the number of tattoos one had. And he was civil enough to keep his shirt on the entire time.
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Wasnt the producer secretly in love with Paul MCcartney?
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Old 11-27-2009, 05:34 PM
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Thaard....

Bernhard is not kidding.
Brian Epstein, their manager early on, was in love w/ John Lennon.
I'm pretty sure he was hot for Paul too.
On this board, equate Ringo to someone you just don't put down, even jokingly.

Re: the Come Together part....You have to wonder if Ringo came up with that part himself, or if it was a result of George Martins producing skills.
(Hey Ringo, try losing the cymbals for this track, see what happens...)
Anybody know?
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Thaard....

Bernhard is not kidding.
Brian Epstein, their manager early on, was in love w/ John Lennon.
I'm pretty sure he was hot for Paul too.
On this board, equate Ringo to someone you just don't put down, even jokingly.

Re: the Come Together part....You have to wonder if Ringo came up with that part himself, or if it was a result of George Martins producing skills.
(Hey Ringo, try losing the cymbals for this track, see what happens...)
Anybody know?
Ok? Geez.. Didnt know it was that serious..
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I love Ringo's playing. As has been mentioned on the forum before, the composition of his drum parts is inspired and a lot of stuff he plays is harder than it sounds to get vibing the way he does.

Was it George Martin who came up with the parts? Maybe at times but I'm sure R came up with plenty himself because there are some fine drum parts on his solo stuff too. How about Instant Amnesia from his Ringorama album?

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Old 11-28-2009, 12:20 AM
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Ok? Geez.. Didnt know it was that serious..
You should even apologize, that's how serious it is. You don't want Bernhard taking his anger out on you and deleting forever your access to this fine forum
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Old 11-28-2009, 12:37 AM
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If the Beatles had Keltner, Vinnie, Gadd, ANYBODY else they wouldn't have been the Beatles. Change Ringo- no Beatles.

They were great and he was 1/4 of the equation.
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I wouldn't suggest that George Martin wrote or suggested any drum parts or fills, but I'm saying that with the amount of time he put into their projects or albums, that if Ringo were not a skilled drummer, he would not have been around.
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Old 11-28-2009, 05:43 AM
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Please listen to this...It speaks for itself:
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Thanks for posting that. Ringo is too syncopated. He should just lay back and play on the two and four. I don't like it when drummers are syncopated and change around the beats too much. You can't dance to that. :P


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Damn straight, Ken. Why would he put that Dave Weckl drum track on Ringo's thread?

Seriously, thanks Papajo. That's a great find. It really highlights that weird and wonderful semi shuffle our man plays.
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Here's another classic example:
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Hi Guys,
I'm late to the party but,....thought I'd chime in from a totally different perspective.

I've been a gtr player for over 30 years and made a living as a musician. Of course I always thought Lennon & Macca were genius' and truthfully as a gtr plyr never gave much thought to Ringo.
I recently started playing drums and have discovered how great he really is. As with any instrument,..most often, it's what you DON'T play that counts.

So,...This is where I voice an opinion and go down in flames......lol.... Through years of gigging with drummers,..... IMO,...there is nothing more aggravating than a drummer with chops!....I realize context is everything, so don't take that super literal, but.
Why any drummer would think that fills every 4 or 8, turning the beat around,..fancy hihat shit,...is cool in pop/rock stuff..is,..beyond me....
But you do,...I know you're out there guys,...LOL!!

There is nothing more annoying than trying to solo or sing with that shit in the way.
Trust me,..your band feels this way,..they just won't tell you because drummers are rarer than you think.
You always know when a drummer has chops,...they can't help it....lol

No coincidence,....Just about everytime I ask a drummer who his favorite player is.
It's always Vinnie and or Gadd,....they are wonderful players but for my taste,. I'd take Ringo over them anyday. IN A POP/ROCK CONTEXT....

Ringo NEVER overplayed and I think most drummers miss that concept. Was very creative as mentioned,...Get Back,..Come Together, Swinging his ass off on the ride in I Feel Fine. What?! do these tunes call for someone roaring around the kit with fills all over?
No!
As a writer,...I would never imagine those beats if I brought those songs into my band.
So,..I'll take a Ringo or Keltner on my tracks anyday. (I wish,..lol)
I also do progressive stuff,...and will go as far as Brectlein (spelling?),...I love him.
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As I'm sure others have said in the past, "You are a wise man."
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As I'm sure others have said in the past, "You are a wise man."
LOL!!,....nah,..actually you're the first,..

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