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Old 05-14-2008, 08:49 PM
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Default New Remo black suede heads?

Has anyone tried these?....if so how's the sound, durability,etc.?
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Old 05-15-2008, 10:23 AM
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I'm interested in these to...i was just talking to the aussie distributer today . They told me they wont be here for another 8 weeks.
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Old 06-06-2008, 11:24 PM
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Yes these sound good. I Played them on a DW Kit at guitar center....They sound better to me than any head I have heard. These were Emporers (double ply) .... these black suede heads had the same short sustain of a double ply head but a more open sound and more tonal volume....... Less slap / attack ...more tone.........thats my take on them...The guy at guuitar center did say the black stuff would come off though..im gonna try them
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Old 06-07-2008, 03:32 PM
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Those guys at GC are morons. The black will not come off. It's impregnated into the head. The texture is added to the mylar at the time of manufacturing. It isn't a coating. You will see stick marks, but the black texture won't come off the head onto your cymbals or anything like that.
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Old 06-07-2008, 07:29 PM
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Yes these sound good. I Played them on a DW Kit at guitar center....They sound better to me than any head I have heard. These were Emporers (double ply) .... these black suede heads had the same short sustain of a double ply head but a more open sound and more tonal volume....... Less slap / attack ...more tone.........thats my take on them...The guy at guuitar center did say the black stuff would come off though..im gonna try them
So a bit like pinstripe?
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Old 06-15-2008, 08:28 AM
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Those guys at GC are morons. The black will not come off. It's impregnated into the head. The texture is added to the mylar at the time of manufacturing. It isn't a coating. You will see stick marks, but the black texture won't come off the head onto your cymbals or anything like that.
Hahaha you are totally right about GC employees and those heads, I went into GC a couple weeks ago to test a pedal, and the guy told me "don't play too hard the heads are about to go through" and the heads were brand new no stick marks and no dents or scratches, some of those guys are idiots, as for the head I have tried 1 and it got a great tone out of the drum, I'm thinking about getting a set myself.
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Old 06-17-2008, 10:25 PM
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Default Re: New Remo black suede heads?

ya i also played on them on a dw kit at guitar center shop and it sounded great.
it gave the floor toms a real nice low/deep open sound
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Old 06-18-2008, 12:17 PM
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Default Re: New Remo black suede heads?

I'm kinda interested in these too... Has anyone been able to beat the hell out of em' to see about how durable they are?
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Old 06-18-2008, 12:42 PM
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They are just as durable as any mylar head. They are mylar with a texture treatment impregnated into the film at the time of manufacturing.
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Old 06-27-2008, 06:20 AM
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So a bit like pinstripe?
to me, its a cleaner sound, very open tonally/ less punchy an less muffled...but not growly...clean sustain.....clean clean heads....maybe a bit less attack than pins...think "suede"

i think it will be good on my ludwgs...maybe bring out some mid tones in them...ludwigs are very bass oriented
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Old 06-27-2008, 06:22 AM
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Default Re: New Remo black suede heads?

They have a sort of dead sound, not as dead as the Evans Ebony Hydraulics, but they arent to big on the overtones. They are alright i guess, only played em for about 3 mins at the guitar center a week or two ago.
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Old 06-27-2008, 01:27 PM
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They have a sort of dead sound, not as dead as the Evans Ebony Hydraulics, but they arent to big on the overtones. They are alright i guess, only played em for about 3 mins at the guitar center a week or two ago.
I wouldn't say dead, but very dry. DRY DRY DRY!
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Old 06-27-2008, 08:30 PM
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I really was surprised at how good they sounded. I played them at GC on a Pearl Reference kit and they sounded really good. At first I thought they were sound off practice pads before I noticed they were heads. They were very nice.
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Old 06-27-2008, 08:51 PM
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I wouldn't say dead, but very dry. DRY DRY DRY!
Yeah you are right, dry is a better term. Hydraulics would have the adjective of "Dead" for the sound though.
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Old 06-28-2008, 05:15 PM
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Now if only they weren't friggin' flat black. I-yi-yi.
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Old 07-03-2008, 12:01 AM
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they are amazing.

best heads ive heard!

im buying them for my set..

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Old 07-06-2008, 04:34 AM
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Default Re: New Remo black suede heads?

Sounds like the corporate memo from GC is to put Black Suede heads on only high end kits (DW, Pearl Reference, etc.).

I wonder how these heads sound on a midlevel or entry kit? What I mean is, is the "good/great" sound we are hearing more a result of the drums or the heads?
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Old 07-06-2008, 04:48 AM
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What I mean is, is the "good/great" sound we are hearing more a result of the drums or the heads?
I think you have something there. Those drums are going to sound good with any decent head on them.
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Old 07-08-2008, 06:27 AM
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I think you have something there. Those drums are going to sound good with any decent head on them.
For what its worth I went into GC this past weekend and they had Black Suede heads on a $4k DW kit and a $3.5k Yamaha MCAN and thats it.

Both kits sounded awesome but then again, how much is drums and how much is heads?
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Old 07-08-2008, 06:39 AM
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They have them on a DW collectors at my local GC.

They sound decent. Very very warm. A bit too much for my taste.

They also had the Zildjian Black Ride, Hi hat and crash.

Hi Hat was OK, but the others were pretty terrible in my opinion.
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Old 07-12-2008, 01:25 AM
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I wouldn't say dead, but very dry. DRY DRY DRY!


i thought "open open open" not dry
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Old 07-12-2008, 01:27 AM
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I wouldn't say dead, but very dry. DRY DRY DRY!
second thought, if that means no overtones, then your right, they are clean...but still open
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Old 07-17-2008, 12:30 PM
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Wish they were out in Australia right now - have a recording session next week and I was looking forward to trying them out. Owell, coated Ambs will do the job fine.
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Old 07-20-2008, 11:41 PM
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How are these compared to regular coated Emperors?
I've recently discovered how great the coated Emperors sound! I didn't think they translated so well to rock. I always was under the impression that they were for jazz or soft rock. I love em though! I wish they sold as a pack on MF though....
Also, how are Emps for recording? I have a bit of a heavy hand...
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Old 07-24-2008, 09:46 AM
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Travis Barker uses them they must be the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ( Very Sarcastic Face)
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Old 08-17-2008, 12:55 AM
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Ok. After testing these for a while i find them taking to much ring out of my snare. To much muffling on the singing brass. They are good but I prefer coated ambassador more. I think they would do great on a acoustic set (where you want less loudness but stil a nice tone)

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Old 09-11-2008, 01:13 AM
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I've recently just got back into drumming (last year) and I like my Evans G1 and G2 heads on my Gretsch Renown kit - they sound great. But, I was thinking about trying the Black Suede and I gather it will be a completely different sound - right?

I'm just playing for my own enjoyment - no band at the moment so I have no real preferrances other than a "good" change of heads would be nice.

Has anyone changed from Evans G1&G2 (toms) to the Remo Black Suede? And if so, did you like the change?

I was going to start a thread but I found this one and I hope you don't mind my post here.

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Old 09-14-2008, 12:02 AM
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I've recently just got back into drumming (last year) and I like my Evans G1 and G2 heads on my Gretsch Renown kit - they sound great. But, I was thinking about trying the Black Suede and I gather it will be a completely different sound - right?

I'm just playing for my own enjoyment - no band at the moment so I have no real preferrances other than a "good" change of heads would be nice.

Has anyone changed from Evans G1&G2 (toms) to the Remo Black Suede? And if so, did you like the change?

I was going to start a thread but I found this one and I hope you don't mind my post here.

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I went from Coated G1's over clear G1's to the White suede ambassadors over clear ambassadors on my M Birch kit. The G1's sounded very nice but I like the Suedes a bit better. A bit more focused tone and pitch with a bit less stick attack. With accurate tuning the toms can be a very melodic element in the kit.
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Old 09-14-2008, 02:21 AM
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Sounds like the corporate memo from GC is to put Black Suede heads on only high end kits (DW, Pearl Reference, etc.).

I wonder how these heads sound on a midlevel or entry kit? What I mean is, is the "good/great" sound we are hearing more a result of the drums or the heads?
Yah I'm wondering that too, I guess we should stick with our basics to be safe :(
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Old 09-14-2008, 02:22 AM
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They have them on a DW collectors at my local GC.

They sound decent. Very very warm. A bit too much for my taste.

They also had the Zildjian Black Ride, Hi hat and crash.

Hi Hat was OK, but the others were pretty terrible in my opinion.
I noticed those cymbals, the hit hat is the only one that is "decent", but still not good. the others are blahhh
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Old 09-27-2008, 10:41 PM
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I tried them out today and I must say that I am impressed. I work part time in a music shop and we didnt have loads of customers today so I played them a bit on a Pearl Masters kit. Booth the emperor and ambassador! They sound warm and balanced, but I got a lot of stick definision/plastic sound out of them in quiet situasions, Did anyone else experience this?
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Old 09-27-2008, 11:27 PM
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[quote=I wonder how these heads sound on a midlevel or entry kit? What I mean is, is the "good/great" sound we are hearing more a result of the drums or the heads?[/QUOTE]

I heard the Emperors on a Yamaha Stage Custom Birch kit, and they sounded excellent, even with the stock resonant heads.
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Old 11-11-2008, 10:51 AM
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Ok. After testing these for a while i find them taking to much ring out of my snare. To much muffling on the singing brass. They are good but I prefer coated ambassador more. I think they would do great on a acoustic set (where you want less loudness but stil a nice tone)
Are you talking about the black suede emperors? If so, are you aware that they are also going to be producing black suede ambassadors? The thing is...they don't make a 16" black suede ambassador, at least not yet..
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Old 11-11-2008, 03:51 PM
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Are you talking about the black suede emperors? If so, are you aware that they are also going to be producing black suede ambassadors? The thing is...they don't make a 16" black suede ambassador, at least not yet..
They make them in white. I have one on my floor tom
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My college got these for the pep band drum set and they're pretty awesome. They feel really good and sound nice. The set there is a birch 4 piece. They don't seem very loud, but it could just be that set. As for durability, the coating didn't last long. It just got smoothed out in the center after 1-2 games. They seemed to stay pretty lively through the whole season though.

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