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Old 02-04-2009, 06:49 PM
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My Gadd sig sticks with wood tips are some of the toughest sticks I own and they are paint. Every time I go to a drums store I find there's a Vic Firth box with rejected stick that didn't meet QC so I thought those substandard sticks were going there.

Aren't the VF rejects relabeled as Novas?
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Old 02-05-2009, 03:11 AM
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I think I'm in love.....the Regal Tip 5A is a friggin' fanTAStic stick! Thanks for the tip on the Tips, Fiery. The weight and balance is *great*...the tip is *great*...and the lacquer is not too smooth, not too dry - just right!

I think I may have a new stick!
No problem, glad you liked it. I'm a big fan of Regal Tip finish, but no stores here carry the models I might like. Also, my hands often get too sweaty for even their special lacquer to take, so the almost-nude Vic Firths work best for me.

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If you hated the Vater finish, you'll hate the Regal Tip too because they have an heat agent on the finish that melt to create a sticky finish to improve the grip. You leave with messy and gummy hand.
Never happened to me, and my hands get really hot when I play. The finish does feel tackier as the hands warm up and get moist, but only to a point. If they get too wet, it becomes slippery again.
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Old 02-05-2009, 03:55 AM
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The stick of choice for me is the Vater 5A or 5B nude. Great feeling to them but when im not playing either of those i play Los Cabos 3A's
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Old 02-05-2009, 08:47 AM
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Aren't the VF rejects relabeled as Novas?
Well they weren't labelled at all but came in a big VF box right from the manufacture.

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The stick of choice for me is the Vater 5A or 5B nude. Great feeling to them but when im not playing either of those i play Los Cabos 3A's
Los Cabos Red Hickory Jazz are great too but feel heavy in the long run.
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Old 02-10-2009, 02:35 AM
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Thanks for the tips on the Smith sig. guys. Sin - you liked the Jimbos, so I'll be interested to hear your comparison. I played the Evolutions for a long time Muckster, a little thinner than those would be nice.

king - I tried the Jordans a couple times at GC, they're nice but they're way too small in diameter for me. Very, very thin.
Zambizzi,

I am liking the stick so far. The tip has a fantastic feel to it and sounds great on cymbals. They are a little thin, but I will get used to them, over the next few days.
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Here's a review of some sticks I have tried in the last year. I will preface this review by saying that I have been on a heavy duty "change up" kick in the last year. I play a different set up every time I play out and I change my set up in my practice room weekly.

Gadd Sigs - Nylons and Wood tips. I like the weight, balance and feel. The tip is decent when the stick is new. My oldest pair are so worn that the tips are tiny now. I use them now when I want a beefy 7A kind of feel in a 5A size.

Ahead 7A - Nylon tip. I bought these 4 years ago. I take them out once every few months, play with them for 10 minutes and then put them away. I refer to them as my "last chance" sticks. If I could only bring one pair of sticks on a USO tour in combat areas... unbreakable but mediocre sounding.

Regal Tips 5A, 7A - Nylons and Wood tips. I like the finish. The 7As are quick and sound better to me with the nylon tips. The 5As are a great stick. I always like playing with these sticks and I keep a pair in my main stick grab bag.

Trueline - 2B Rebounds - A great rock stick. Virtually unbreakable. Great big fat shoulder with a little tip. I only use these when I want to be loud and play my hats sloshy and crash/ride a lot. Not often.

Trueline 2B - Nylon tips - These are the Truelines with the fatter grip in the handle. Good stick with nice balance but just too much. I did use these more often when I was playing regularly with a band and many of the songs we did would start out soft and end at jet-engine volumes. This stick is overkill.

Trueline 5B - Nylon and Wood tipss - These are my second favorite stick of all time (so far). Great weight, perfect balance. I prefer the wood tips to the nylons but I like the drastic change in sound that switching gives me. Very smoky stick hits on the ride with the wood tips and bright and cutting with the nylons. Billy Ward turned me on to these sticks and I play with these sticks a couple of times a week.

Obviously, I am a fan of the Truelines. It took a little getting used to the grip of these sticks but once I found a weight that I liked, I was hooked.

Sound Percussion 5A - These are my favorite sticks that I have played in the last 5 years. I bought 20 pairs for $20 about 5 years ago and I have 4 pairs left. I got them at GC and since then, they have been discontinued. They are designated 5As but they feel like 5Bs. They are made of "lesser than" wood and they almost feel soft. You can take a fingernail and make a mark in them. They have a long fat shoulder with hardly any taper. The big fat acorn tip like a big fat bullet sitting on the shoulder. They feel ridiculously light for their thickness and length. I put a good thick wrap of stick tape on them to give them a little more weight and they sound great with thin cymbals. The stick gives, the cymbals give and it's all like butter...
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Old 04-10-2009, 06:24 PM
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I just placed an order for a new batch of timber...all Vic Firth sig.

- Gerald Hayward
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- Lenny White

I've been going back and forth between the Jack DeJohnette and Akira Jimbo...which is night and day. However, there's plenty I don't like about each stick.

I tried a pair of the new Vic Firth "Vic Grip" (rubber-dipped coating on butt) and I thought they were terrible. They seemed even more slippery than a lacquer finish and it didn't improve as my hands warmed up and started to sweat.

I also nabbed a can of Zildjian "stick wax".
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The drum clerk at GC told me a story yesterday - maybe someone here can confirm this. He claims that Vic Firth uses substandard wood with their painted sticks, which is why they're painted. Supposedly, that's how they get rid of the less pretty and desirable wood stock.

That struck me as odd, seeing how many of the painted and finished sticks are signature models and I doubt the big-name drummers using them would want the "B" stock wood being used in their lines. Unless of course, what artists receive as part of their endorsement deal are different sticks than what consumers are sold?

Who knows...
My only comment along these lines has to do with the Zildjian sticks I bought. 7A dipped. Worthless, and I know that Zildjian make a few signature sticks and I can't believe they would be any better. Just marketing I guess.
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Old 04-11-2009, 04:39 AM
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My only comment along these lines has to do with the Zildjian sticks I bought. 7A dipped. Worthless, and I know that Zildjian make a few signature sticks and I can't believe they would be any better. Just marketing I guess.
I tried the Travis Barker sig. stick, it was complete garbage. I liked the feel but I'm not going to tolerate paint all over my heads and cymbals.

I'm through w/ Zildjian sticks, myself.
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Old 04-13-2009, 05:27 AM
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Have you tried the Vater Fatback 3A? I use that stick. It's beefy but not too beefy. It's heavy but not too heavy. I used to use the ProMark 747s. The Fatback I like better.
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Old 04-19-2009, 06:20 PM
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Wow, I REALLY like the Garibaldi "Jam Master" stick from VF! I played w/ it the last couple of days and it's very nice. It's slightly longer than the DeJohnette but isn't awkward...for such a long stick. Like a jazz stick, it has a very long taper but the tip is just like a 5A...very nice on cymbals...nice balance and rebound.

The Zildjian stick wax is brilliant! I guess I could have just as easily used a soft candle but for $6, I'll probably have years worth of wax. Just lightly rub some of it on the stick prior to playing and you're set...a perfectly dry and easy to grip surface. Perfect for sweaty guys like me.

In other news: the Gerald Hayward sticks are very long and heavy...with a big fat tip. I'm not sure I'll use those. The Lenny White sticks are pretty cool. They're pretty much a 5B but with a big olive tip.
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Old 04-21-2009, 04:19 PM
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Vinny, try the Vater Josh Freese H 220 ....NICE all around stick!!
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Old 04-21-2009, 06:37 PM
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I've been using pro-mark jason bonhams and I love them. I always gravitate towards the longest sticks I can find because I grip way at the back of my sticks when I play loud.

I used to use different sticks like a 1a, super 5b's, travis barkers, etc. but the pro-marks are alot more durable and they have an amazing cross stick sound.

the jason bonhams are made out of maple which I haven't really used before but they hold up pretty well to moderate abuse, lots of rimshots and rim riding. the maple allows for a thicker stick with out all the weight. they are 16.5" long and pretty beefy but not too heavy.
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Just today I bought another pair of Zildian 7A, dipped sticks. For some reason I have always liked them. I try others but keep coming back. The nylon tips are the way to go since the wood tips seem to disintegrate rapidly.
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hey, could someone help me out here?.......i have seen a pair of vic firth 8D's i want to buy, but they are on the internet so i cannot see them up close, i thought that all vic firth sticks looked the same, but this stick is different...have a look......if you know of this type, reply back as soon as possible, i really need to know if there is any difference between them and the original look, thanks

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Hey Zambizzi,

I fall in the 5a (ish) category. So here are my suggestions to try in order of my preferrence:

1) VF 55a - This falls between the 5a and 5b in diameter. I tend to like a little more stick than the 5a but less than the 5b.

3) Vater Fussion - This falls in the category of a tweener between 5a and 5b but with a round tip. I like the clean, clear sound I get on my ride patterns from the rounded tip.

2) VF 5a American Sound - This stick is a 5a (obviously) with a round tip. I like the tip for the same reason as noted with the Vater Fussion. I'll use this stick when I want a slightly smaller diameter.

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Old 06-25-2009, 06:31 PM
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Hey Zambizzi,

I fall in the 5a (ish) category. So here are my suggestions to try in order of my preferrence:

1) VF 55a - This falls between the 5a and 5b in diameter. I tend to like a little more stick than the 5a but less than the 5b.

3) Vater Fussion - This falls in the category of a tweener between 5a and 5b but with a round tip. I like the clean, clear sound I get on my ride patterns from the rounded tip.

2) VF 5a American Sound - This stick is a 5a (obviously) with a round tip. I like the tip for the same reason as noted with the Vater Fussion. I'll use this stick when I want a slightly smaller diameter.

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All good sticks! The 55a was too heavy for me. I LOVE the Vater Fusion stick, it's my runner-up. My favorite stick right now is the VF SD9 "Driver". It's got a nice, fat diameter and the length is great...but the weight is *perfect*, being maple. They're tougher too - maple is a great wood for sticks.

If it weren't for the SD9, I'd be using the Fusion right now, for sure.
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Old 06-25-2009, 06:32 PM
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Vinny, try the Vater Josh Freese H 220 ....NICE all around stick!!
Those do look nice...but I can't find them in local stores. I want to try the "Session" model too...but it's another one that I can't get locally.
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Try Vic Firth SD10 swingers, or the SD10 Bolero. Godly.

Also, Vater 5B Gospel.
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Hey Zambizzi did you ever come to a consensus on the Dave Weckl originals? I just tried out the Evolution series today and loved them. Do you have a comparision?
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What I need is a heavier Mike Terrana with an Akira Jimbo tip. I need to hurry up and become a competent drummer so I can get my own signature stick! :)[/quote]

you know you could send us those sticks and I could try to make a combination of the 2 tips

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I saw another thread started today on "the perfect stick" and since I have nothing better to do today at work, I thought I'd comment on the *many* sticks I've tried in the last year.

1. VF Dave Weckl Evolution - used this stick for a long time and got very comfortable with it. It's basically a 5A with a smaller tip and a nice easy-grip lacquer finish. On my third pair I found they started making them quite a bit heavier and had changed the taper and tip.

2. VF Jack DeJohnette - A big, long, heavy stick. I used these for a while and the same thing happened as the Evolutions - they got heavier and the tip changed. Lame.

3. Pro Mark Oak 5A - A nice stick though I don't care for the tip. Quit using when it became too hard to grip it loosely.

4. Pro Mark Hickory 5A - Too light...quit on 'em after 1 pair.

5. VF Buddy Rich - I thought this would be a nice replacement for the DeJohnettes but in the end...too fat.

6. VF Steve Gadd - I liked this stick but hated the sound...of all things. The tip makes for a very weak sound on surfaces.

7. VF Weckl (original) - The jury is still out on this one...I might try them again soon.

8. Vater "Manhattan" - I liked this stick but the diameter was too small...I felt strain and ended up with tendonitis within three days of using these. It was my technique...but still...I gave up on them after that.

9. Zildjian "Anti-Vibe" 5A - I started with these sticks 2 yrs. ago because it was what my teacher was using. I tried them again the other night and realized why I quit using them...awful!

10. Pro Mark "Pro-Grip" 5A - Been using these the last few nights. I like the feel other than they're a bit too light. The pro grip surface is great.

11. VF Mike Terrana - I have been using these on and off for a couple of weeks and keep coming to the conclusion that they're far too light, despite the perfect length and great tip. This would be a *great* stick if it were a bit heavier.

12. VF Akira Jimbo - This is a weird stick that I both love and hate. It tapers at the butt which is cool because it's a 5A length - so it pushes some of the weight to the upper-end of the stick. It's got a GREAT tip...perfect really. However, it's fairly heavy...and after a couple of months using these...I don't think I'll stick w/ them.

13. VF Jojo Mayer - Too short, too fat, too heavy.

That's all I can think of for now, though I'm sure I've tried more. What it comes down to is; I'd still be using either the Evolutions or the DeJohnettes, had VF not altered them to be heavier and changed the shape. Since then I've been looking tirelessly for a good replacement.

I'll post more "reviews" as I try more of them out. I hear Los Cabos makes great sticks but I'd have to order them directly from the company in Canada, which makes it less convenient.

What I need is a heavier Mike Terrana with an Akira Jimbo tip. I need to hurry up and become a competent drummer so I can get my own signature stick! :)
The Los Cabos are very good in my opinion, I like the feel and the sound off of the cymbals, however I have been going through sticks like crazy and I am not even doing any pro gigs. My problem is that the tips, regardless of what stick I use seem to chip away quite fast. I have been using the Regal 5E nylon and they sound good but I am not too thrilled with the feel. So, long story short I guess the only way to go is to buy in bulk. If you want to try the Los Cabos you can phone or email Steves music here in Toronto and they should give you a good deal, I think the ones you would like are the 5A Intense. You might have to pay a little tax but it shouldn't be too much. This store has a reputation for pricing low so it may be worth a try and the brand is generally lower than VC and the others. I will be going back to the wood tips so I will be giving them a call as well.
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I have just noticed that these sticks are now available in the States.
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Hey Zambizzi did you ever come to a consensus on the Dave Weckl originals? I just tried out the Evolution series today and loved them. Do you have a comparision?
Thanks, James
I didn't like the Weckl "originals" (dark brown) myself, at all. The weight, balance, etc....it all felt very awkward to me. They're longer and (feel) thinner than the Evolution. We're all different, just gotta try them to know.
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I have just noticed that these sticks are now available in the States.
Los Cabos sticks are? I'm Facebook friends w/ them (they're very fun, cool people) and they said they would sell directly to me (or any American customer). But, I'd rather use something I can run out and buy in person, in a pinch.

I'm really, really loving the VF SD9 right now and will probably continue to use it for a while.

Maple is the answer to your tip-chipping problem, I think. I had more of a problem with tips "warping" or indenting, over time. Eventually they're not shaped how they were intended and don't feel or sound right. These SD9s I've been using for the last month or so, show absolutely NO signs of wear, chipping, or denting on the tips. This pair will probably last me many months...and was only $7 to begin with.
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Los Cabos sticks are? I'm Facebook friends w/ them (they're very fun, cool people) and they said they would sell directly to me (or any American customer). But, I'd rather use something I can run out and buy in person, in a pinch.

I'm really, really loving the VF SD9 right now and will probably continue to use it for a while.

Maple is the answer to your tip-chipping problem, I think. I had more of a problem with tips "warping" or indenting, over time. Eventually they're not shaped how they were intended and don't feel or sound right. These SD9s I've been using for the last month or so, show absolutely NO signs of wear, chipping, or denting on the tips. This pair will probably last me many months...and was only $7 to begin with.
It never occurred to me to use maple, I thoght that they would not last as long. I should give them a shot, what have I got to lose.

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Old 07-21-2009, 04:27 PM
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Keep it simple: Pro Mark Japanese Oak 747 . Nylon or wood tip. Right weight, great balance, very durable, consistent quality.
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I think I'm sold on Maple now. Like I said earlier - been using the VF SD9 stick for about a month and it's awesome. The tip hasn't mysteriously shrunk or chipped, even a little. I could see a pair of these lasting for 6mo+, easily.

I ordered 3 more pair of maple sticks, just to try them out. The first arrived today; VF 5B (American Heritage). The other two should be here in a couple of days; Vater Fusion Maple and Vater 5B Maple. I wanted something just like the SD9, only 16" in length.
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Old 07-29-2009, 05:12 AM
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What happened with the you and the Regal Tips? The Regal Tip 5A is one of my favorites, along with the Vater Los Angeles 5A and the Vic Firth 55A, although I sometimes find Firths to be slippery. Does the finish on the maple SD9's seem different compared hickory? I thought maple sticks would be too fragile for me, but now you've got me thinking.
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Old 07-29-2009, 06:25 AM
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What happened with the you and the Regal Tips? The Regal Tip 5A is one of my favorites, along with the Vater Los Angeles 5A and the Vic Firth 55A, although I sometimes find Firths to be slippery. Does the finish on the maple SD9's seem different compared hickory? I thought maple sticks would be too fragile for me, but now you've got me thinking.
My hands are just too big for a 5A. The Regal Tips were very heavy for a 5A too.

I've been using Zildjian Stick Wax, since I'm playing 2-4 hrs. every night, so finish is irrelevant now. It allowed me to try some new sticks w/ less than ideal finishes.

Ironically, the VF 5B maple is much heavier than the SD9. I'm still waiting for the other two pair of Vater maples.
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Tried the Vater Maple 5B and Fusion...5B is very thick and way too heavy. The Fusion is way too light. Ha!

I picked up a pair of Ronnie Vannucci sig. sticks (Zildjian) at Guitar Center last night...they instantly felt great to me. 16.5" long, .610 diameter. It's like a slightly longer SD9...but the balance and feel is surprisingly, much better.

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Old 10-02-2009, 11:56 AM
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Using the Dejhonette's now after about a week of use. This is surprising because I love the feel of them, exact diameter of a 5a but a little longer which ends up moving the folcrum up a tad, but I knew with my sweaty hands they'd become flying objects shortly. No problems yet though. Zildjian wax still working out Zambizzi? Maybe I'll give that a try.
I was using the Copelands but those have been feeling a little heavy lately. I'm going to try the Regal Tip 8a's next since the varnish should help with grip. Anyone know of a comparable stick to the DeJohnette's without the paint?
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Old 10-02-2009, 04:20 PM
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Using the Dejhonette's now after about a week of use. This is surprising because I love the feel of them, exact diameter of a 5a but a little longer which ends up moving the folcrum up a tad, but I knew with my sweaty hands they'd become flying objects shortly. No problems yet though. Zildjian wax still working out Zambizzi? Maybe I'll give that a try.
I was using the Copelands but those have been feeling a little heavy lately. I'm going to try the Regal Tip 8a's next since the varnish should help with grip. Anyone know of a comparable stick to the DeJohnette's without the paint?
Yes, I use the wax everyday. It's pointless to work against yourself and your sweaty hands. I'm not even halfway through the first can I bought about 8 mo. ago, so that $5 goes a long way.

I've tried to find comparable sticks to the DeJohnette...the closest I've found is the X5A or the Vater Power 5A. Both are slightly longer though. You might also like the David Garibaldi stick...it's similar to the DeJohnette but lighter and has a longer taper. It would make a great stick for lighter playing.

Another one I tried recently was the Zildjian Ronnie Vanucci sig. stick. It's nice but 16.5" is just too long for me.
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Old 10-03-2009, 04:35 AM
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Vic Firth or Vater 3A is the perfect stick for me for general playing.

but if i feel like jazzin' out a little i use my son's 747s....well at least they seem "light" to me! but i have been tempted to try the VF Buddy Rich signature sticks. but i have to admit (for those old enough to remember) i really did love the Slingerland Gene Krupa line of sticks in jazz band in high school and college.
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I've been using nothing but VF buddy rich sig's, they're great, nice long tapper, good weight and diameter
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Old 10-09-2009, 05:03 PM
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I really like the Regal Tip 5As as well... do they all have those pieces of metal in them (presumably what gives them that nice weight), or just a special series? I was never able to find any mention of it on their website, and they're just filed under 5A at my local music stores, but that's what sets them apart for me.

Also, another vote here for the Promark shira kashi oak sticks; I like the nylon-tip 5Bs. Their nylon tips seem to sound nicer than most, too. Very durable to most wear, except that I find they are just as weak as anything else when it comes to that break where you hit the bell of the ride with the shoulder/shaft. I think I lose more sticks to that than anything else (rimshots a distant second; I think if I did neither of these things, my sticks would last forever!).

I like the Regal Tip ping sticks (7A, I believe) for lighter work, but I found that the tips chipped very quickly. Now I use Vater Manhattan Jazz for the same purpose, and although there's something I really don't like about their feel, they have lasted a long time.
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Old 10-09-2009, 05:38 PM
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I've been using VF 5BN and seem to always come back to them. But I did find that I really also the like Regal Tip Quantum 3000. Great balance and durable. 1000's were too thin.
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