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Old 09-14-2009, 03:33 PM
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Default Make sticks heavier toward the back? Move bounce point back

I like to play with my hands gripping the stick behind the point that permits the best bounce. Even with spray on grip and a vibration plug in the end (I use Zildjan Anti-Vibe sticks with spray on plasti coat) the stick is still too light in the back to move the center of gravity.

Has anyone tried to make the stick heavier in the back to pull the CG back so the stick effective elngth is maximized while still allowing for rebound?

Might one use a ring of lead tape? maybe screw something in to the end?
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Old 09-14-2009, 03:58 PM
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Default Re: Make sticks heavier toward the back? Move bounce point back

First, there are sticks that are butt heavy and sticks that are shoulder heavy. I am not sure you will find them in the Zildjian line however. I tried some Zildjian Dip Sticks just to try the feeling and the entire stick is light. I think it has to do with the wood and not the balance. Try a better brand of stick and look for butt heavy sticks.
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Old 09-14-2009, 04:25 PM
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Default Re: Make sticks heavier toward the back? Move bounce point back

Anti-Vibe's are very light in the back because the stick is hollowed out more than halfway through and filled with cork. The back-end has that rubber stopper with a 3" (or so) rubber insert that goes into the butt of the stick. The only solid part of the stick is the front 1/3 or so.

Get a Zildjian 5A and compare them...night and day.
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Old 09-14-2009, 05:42 PM
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Default Re: Make sticks heavier toward the back? Move bounce point back

RB (Rationally Balanced) sticks featured a weighted insert in the back end of the stick - literally, a butt plug - to balance the stick more towards the traditional gripping point. Those never caught on and are long gone.

Currently, Xcel Drumsticks has some models with a brass ring on the butt end which alters the balance.

So yes, it's been/being done.

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Old 09-14-2009, 08:24 PM
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Have you tried longer sticks?... different brands?.... what about oak?

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Old 09-15-2009, 01:13 AM
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Default Re: Make sticks heavier toward the back? Move bounce point back

Vic Firth Danny Carey signature sticks have thicker butt ends, so they are butt heavy and have considerable length form fulcrum point to tip.
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Old 09-15-2009, 03:11 AM
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Default Re: Make sticks heavier toward the back? Move bounce point back

Butt heavy, that's funny. Anti vibes with dip? Ugh, no wonder you're not happy. I'd take the advice offered and try another stick. Vaters are kind of forward heavy IMO. Vic Firth or Regal Tip are more normally balanced again IMO.
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Old 09-16-2009, 02:42 AM
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Default Re: Make sticks heavier toward the back? Move bounce point back

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I like to play with my hands gripping the stick behind the point that permits the best bounce. Even with spray on grip and a vibration plug in the end (I use Zildjan Anti-Vibe sticks with spray on plasti coat) the stick is still too light in the back to move the center of gravity.

Has anyone tried to make the stick heavier in the back to pull the CG back so the stick effective elngth is maximized while still allowing for rebound?

Might one use a ring of lead tape? maybe screw something in to the end?
Try the other extreme, a pair of Steve Gadd sticks. Short (15 3/4) with a short taper, heavy and forward weighted. Center of gravity-in position.
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Old 09-18-2009, 03:09 PM
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Butt heavy, that's funny. Anti vibes with dip? Ugh, no wonder you're not happy. I'd take the advice offered and try another stick. Vaters are kind of forward heavy IMO. Vic Firth or Regal Tip are more normally balanced again IMO.
Don't understand the point. What is wrong with the Anti-Vibe sticks and/or with my spraying Plasti-grip on them? The anti-vibe makes them much more comfortable to play - especially when doing rim shots or playing hard surfaces and the grip material simply allows me to play without holding the stick too hard.
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Old 09-18-2009, 03:10 PM
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Try the other extreme, a pair of Steve Gadd sticks. Short (15 3/4) with a short taper, heavy and forward weighted. Center of gravity-in position.
Don't see how forward weighted helps. if one tries to hold the stick at the point where there is the most bounce/rebound they would be holding the stick you describe way too far forweard which limits reach and the back part of the stick stick can in some cases hit your own arm
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Old 09-18-2009, 05:25 PM
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Default Re: Make sticks heavier toward the back? Move bounce point back

imispgh,

It sounds like a stick with a gradual and rather pronounced taper may be what you're looking for. The Vic Firth American Jazz line features sticks with a long taper that might work for you. http://www.vicfirth.com/products/americanjazz.html

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Old 09-18-2009, 09:26 PM
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Don't see how forward weighted helps. if one tries to hold the stick at the point where there is the most bounce/rebound they would be holding the stick you describe way too far forweard which limits reach and the back part of the stick stick can in some cases hit your own arm
Depends on the length of the stick. Go figure... who would of thought some drummer who's been on countless hits, been a top pro for 35+ years would come up with a 15 3/4" stick that plays like an extension of your hand? Get the nylon tips.
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Old 09-19-2009, 11:20 PM
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Default Re: Make sticks heavier toward the back? Move bounce point back

Funny enough, I prefer my sticks heavier towards the front.

I can't stand sticks that are heavy toward the back.
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Old 09-19-2009, 11:55 PM
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Default Re: Make sticks heavier toward the back? Move bounce point back

So you want to stick with your Anti-vibes right? Take out the butt-plug and fill the hole with copper BBs. Then use an epoxy to fill the hole up. Once the epoxy dries it will hold the BBs in place and keep them from making noise.

It's a lot of work to go through, but it's one way of sticking with the sticks you like.

Another stick option is to try Ahead's 5AB Hybrids. It has the grip of a 5B with an anti-vip system in it and the shaft is that of a 5A, so it's lighter on the tip end.
You can use some grip tape to make it a little heavyer on the back end as well.
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Old 09-23-2009, 03:54 PM
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Has no-one heard of Hornets?

That's what you need.

http://www.hornetsdrumsticks.com/home.jsp

I've used them for 2 years - love them.

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Old 09-25-2009, 12:34 AM
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Default Re: Make sticks heavier toward the back? Move bounce point back

You might need to DIY this one.

I would drill down into the butt of the stick, either crossways or straight up the butt (OK, stop laughing) and push some lead fishing weights in there, then cover it with epoxy so it stays.
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Old 09-25-2009, 06:10 AM
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Default Re: Make sticks heavier toward the back? Move bounce point back

You could also try Zildjian Sig sticks, the Dennis Chambers or Jim Riley sticks with the felt mallets on the end. Althought they are both light sticks they are definitely weighted to the butt end (considerably) and if you can adjust to the bulky butt end they have a surprisingly nice rear-weighted feel.

I got the Riley ones because they have a larger acorn tip than the barrel tip on the DCs and the Travis Barker ones I bought a few years ago are white and marked up my cymbals. I gave them to my 5 year old nephew to beat on his bongos with.
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