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Old 08-30-2009, 11:11 PM
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from the local schools. Sports are now pay to play. I started in the 4th grade at public schools and I imagine many others did the same. This sucks.
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Old 08-30-2009, 11:42 PM
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Could you post a link please?
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Old 08-31-2009, 12:30 AM
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I have seen this a lot lately. It depends on the district, but things like art, music and sports are not government mandated. What is government mandated is 'English as a second language education.' Obviously people need to be able to speak English more than they need to play a trumpet. I am sure it would be very district dependent, but I think demographics shifts play a large part in burdening individual school systems beyond their capacity to continue to offer things that aren't absolutely essential.
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Old 08-31-2009, 01:13 AM
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The only way to combat the dropping of the arts in our schools is to remind the school boards who they work for. Make sure you attend school board meetings (you don't have to be a parent, you are a tax payer)...

As a drummer who also started in 4th grade AND the proud dad of a daughter who is now a middle school band director and high school marching band director, it is crucial to take back control of the schools.

To much effort on making sure the kids can pass standardized tests (if they are taught properly they can) and too much effort on politically correct topics.

Losing the arts at young, eager to learn ages is an absolute tragedy...

Get involved, speak your minds and do what you can to keep music in the schools.
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Old 08-31-2009, 05:21 AM
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Could you post a link please?
Yes - is there a link? Or at least tell us what city, town or country you are in, so we could research it ourselves.

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Old 08-31-2009, 05:40 AM
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The school band that I teach workshops at does a lot of fund raising. That allows the band to have funds above and beyond the alloted budget. They use the extra money to pay specialists such as myself and also to buy equipment.

To SOGdrummer and all other parents, become active in fundraising. Help your child with his or her fundraising and (if possible) offer to help the band director with the details of the fund raisers.

You can also help by donating time, money or instruments. Area schools often need new drums or hardware. But even if you can't afford to donate those items, buy a 14" snare drum head, marimba mallets, or triangle beaters and donate them to the band. You can donate your time by offering to fix up the school's drums. Often there will be instruments laying around that are in need of repair. I have found that most "bad" snare drums can be made playable and visually appealing with some chrome polish, wax, and new heads.

I also have a parent who is paying to have me come in to do a few workshops at an area high school. I thought that was a great idea. And of course since it was coming out of her pocket, I discounted my rate.

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Old 08-31-2009, 09:17 AM
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I couldn't find what I read today in the local community paper, but I found this which makes it worse then I knew.

http://www.freep.com/article/2009081...te=fullarticle
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Old 08-31-2009, 01:28 PM
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If you really want to watch something powerful about arts education in schools, check out this documentary. You can watch it for free on Hulu.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/66554/class-act

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Old 08-31-2009, 01:35 PM
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always try to look for the opportunity in misfortune.

music is dropped.

a lot of people will not be happy and will want their kids to do music.

step up to the plate ... the private teacher.

music dropped from school means more work for tutors.

become a drum teacher.

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Old 08-31-2009, 02:16 PM
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It's a great shame. I've seen this happening more and more in England as well, particularly at University. My University have been cutting funds to Music for a few years now and the department (which used to specialise in early music) have been struggling to get the numbers. The standard is still very high - of those that attend - but the quality of funding and lecturing has subsided somewhat.

My issue there is a social one. At a grass roots level, kids do one of two things to keep themselves out of trouble whilst growing up. Sports and arts. Any of the arts, be it dance, drama, art itself and indeed music are vital to any society to grow. Sports are the same. They offer an entirely self-serving purpose that satisfies and rewards and without that basis, you're going to create a demographic time bomb. Making sports 'pay to play' makes the issue even worse - because then only the rich kids can do it and usually you will find that those that need these kinds of schemes far more are those who cannot afford to pay for it. This is the same for music with private teachers.

If this carries on, in ten years we will have some serious, serious social issues.
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Old 08-31-2009, 09:06 PM
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The only way to combat the dropping of the arts in our schools is to remind the school boards who they work for. Make sure you attend school board meetings (you don't have to be a parent, you are a tax payer)...

As a drummer who also started in 4th grade AND the proud dad of a daughter who is now a middle school band director and high school marching band director, it is crucial to take back control of the schools.

To much effort on making sure the kids can pass standardized tests (if they are taught properly they can) and too much effort on politically correct topics.

Losing the arts at young, eager to learn ages is an absolute tragedy...

Get involved, speak your minds and do what you can to keep music in the schools.


These and all replies on this post speak volumes! My ex is a public school music teacher / choral director at the elementary / primary school-leval in Texas, and complains of this a lot.

Gradually the music budgets are being lowered and less and less emphasis is placed on music, art, etc. What once was a free program - parents had to only pay for the instrument - usually rented at a very discounted rate, now have to pay for everything: funds for the sheet music, equipment, uniforms, etc. etc. etc.

The city's dynamics are changing from anglo and caucasian to Hispanic and Asian and more and more money is diverted to ESL programs, remedial reading, special ed and such. What gets cut first? Music and Art. Then female.sports, then men's golf, swimming, and rodeo (we're in Texas). It's a sad trend and very counterproductive to education.
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Old 08-31-2009, 09:58 PM
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So sad... without the school band and arts programs I probably never would have become a hobby drummer or a professional artist... wow... what a sad state we're living in these days... why not pay-for-play band too? i mean obviously you'd have a much smaller ensemble... but it would offset the cost for the schools...
I hate how the arts are always getting pushed to the bottom of the list of priorities and a lot of times it seems like sports get promoted so far ahead... what's the deal with that? I guess its all $ but its sad...
I mean they used to pump so much money into my old school's football team and pay for weight rooms and stuff but so much of the band's budget had to come from parents and fund-raising... just sad.

And let;'s not forget the benefits of extra-curricular activities for students... i would guess that its especially bad in inner-cities.. .but kids without stuff to do get in more trouble and probably don't do as well in school. My parents MADE me have an allotted amount of time of extra-curricular activies and I think it really helped me become the person i am today. (They were also always really supportive of the activities i was involved in)
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Old 08-31-2009, 10:23 PM
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From a personal perspective, I hated school. If it hadn't been for music, I doubt I would have graduated. Detroits graduation rate is now down to 21%. Worst in the country for large cities. I don't have any evidence, but I bet it's safe to say that there is a direct relationship between budget cuts and graduation rates. ESL's not an issue here, so there has to be more to it.
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Old 08-31-2009, 10:27 PM
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always try to look for the opportunity in misfortune.

music is dropped.

a lot of people will not be happy and will want their kids to do music.

step up to the plate ... the private teacher.

music dropped from school means more work for tutors.

become a drum teacher.

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I've thought about teaching but I just don't have what it takes to teach. Besides, music in schools is a "team" event and that part of playing music is lost with private lessons or tutoring.
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Old 08-31-2009, 11:16 PM
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I too have thought about teaching privately, but I don't think I have it in me - yet. I'd like a lot more experience and I really need to get better in some aspects of drumming, like paradiddles and paradiddlediddles, etc.

When I was much younger I had 2 really fine drum teachers, and a few that were not fine, so to speak.

This was so pitiful when it happened and I still view it as totally unprofessional today, but waaaay back when I was in school and taking private lessons, I was referred to a music teacher who was trying to double as a drum instructor on the side to make quick $$. The guy didn't have a drum set and claimed his snare drum "was being repaired". I was about 11 or so and we sat cross legged on a piano bench facing each other with a old piece of rubber on phone books substituting as a practice pad in between us. He set a beginning snare drum book on the piano and we looked at that while he played and taught. He'd play, then I'd play, he'd play, then I'd play. My mom sat out in the car for 30 minutes waiting while he "taught". Maybe two or three weeks of this flake continued until my parents caught on that he didn't know jack about drumming and angrily discontinued the "lessons".

I don't want to be THAT guy posing as a drum "teacher", so I'll wait. Maybe I'll never teach, but I'm not going to be half-assed about it the way that idiot was years ago. Looking back, I'm surprised he was even referred, unless he gave kickbacks to whoever referred him.
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Old 08-31-2009, 11:37 PM
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I've thought about teaching but I just don't have what it takes to teach. Besides, music in schools is a "team" event and that part of playing music is lost with private lessons or tutoring.
I guess there are a couple of senses of "private"

"private" as in 'not related to the state'
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"private" as in "limited to the individual"

private doesn't have to be private : "non-state" instruction doesn't have to be "limited to the individual"



Not only can we teach, but we can also pick up slack in other ways -- donation of equipment, technical assistance (instrument maintenance, site maintenance, admin, etc).
There can also be a "teaching assistant" role -- esp with ensemble type situations, hving the ability to send an assistant instructor to help this person or that group can free a teacher to take special attention (with those having special problems, with those advancing at a high rate...whatever)
there's also monetary support

So don't discount your potential to contribute - even if you feel you aren't capable of instruction, there's plenty to be done!

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Man, as for the larger perspective - It's tough, I hate to see any educational program cut. Arts, humanities, phys ed, the sciences -- I find value in all of it ( my personal experience with public education was...complicated)
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Makes me think. Could I spare time twice a week to spend in the local elementary school and teach kids the basics of percussion..!?

Would the school system let me do it?
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Old 09-01-2009, 04:35 AM
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Makes me think. Could I spare time twice a week to spend in the local elementary school and teach kids the basics of percussion..!?
The band director would be the one to talk to. It will be easier to get a yes from him/her than from someone in administration.

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At the least, you will need to sign in at the office and show an ID. At the most, you would need a state police background clearance.

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I couldn't find what I read today in the local community paper, but I found this which makes it worse then I knew.

http://www.freep.com/article/2009081...te=fullarticle
You have a link to the Detroit Free Press so I take it you live in Michigan? I do too and know how tough it is here. The thing to do is organize a band boosters club and other fund raising activities like jeffwj said. Until things turn around in Michigan this is what parents and students are going to have to do. I hope you get your music program back.
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I guess they don't care about all the research that shows how much better kids perform academically, learn faster, raise their I.Q. levels, etc., when they are involved in music programs. It's a sad shame.
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Bingo! You said it right there. Very valid point!
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Old 09-01-2009, 07:56 PM
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You have a link to the Detroit Free Press so I take it you live in Michigan? I do too and know how tough it is here. The thing to do is organize a band boosters club and other fund raising activities like jeffwj said. Until things turn around in Michigan this is what parents and students are going to have to do. I hope you get your music program back.
Yea, I grew up in Detroit and just recently came back to Michigan, but not the Detroit area. I read this while visiting my parents. Things around here are sooo screwed up, The state taking over the city and schools, or threatening to, the mayor resigned and now is in jail, principals embezzling, and god know what else. I think most are at a loss about what they can do.
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I guess there are a couple of senses of "private"

"private" as in 'not related to the state'
or
"private" as in "limited to the individual"

private doesn't have to be private : "non-state" instruction doesn't have to be "limited to the individual"



Not only can we teach, but we can also pick up slack in other ways -- donation of equipment, technical assistance (instrument maintenance, site maintenance, admin, etc).
There can also be a "teaching assistant" role -- esp with ensemble type situations, hving the ability to send an assistant instructor to help this person or that group can free a teacher to take special attention (with those having special problems, with those advancing at a high rate...whatever)
there's also monetary support

So don't discount your potential to contribute - even if you feel you aren't capable of instruction, there's plenty to be done!

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Man, as for the larger perspective - It's tough, I hate to see any educational program cut. Arts, humanities, phys ed, the sciences -- I find value in all of it ( my personal experience with public education was...complicated)
Honestly, I don't have a clue about where to start, and I'm not one to shy away from helping. I'm now taking a hiatus from helping and working with the VA for the last couple of years. Burn out and anger's a bad combination.
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