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Old 06-13-2009, 04:23 PM
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Well it isn't. Well it kind of is, in a way, sort of. But not.

As some of you may know, I live in Canada, but not for long. I'm moving to London on the 29th of this month. I thought that I would start a thread where you all can offer me advice, comments, suggestions, heckle me, ask me questions, whatever (none of which have to be limited to anything about my moving to England, Canada or I suppose even me. For example: 'what do you think of the MUFC Ronaldo sale?' is fair game=).

So in essence, it's a 'Goodbye from Canada' thread.

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I might suggest this is better in the off-topic forum, but this will put it back into general discussion:

Whereabouts in Canada were you living, and do you know any good drum shops in Winnipeg?

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Old 06-13-2009, 04:36 PM
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I might suggest this is better in the off-topic forum, but this will put it back into general discussion:

Whereabouts in Canada were you living, and do you know any good drum shops in Winnipeg?

Planning a brief trip and looking for some inside advice...
Hey man,

Er...I forgot there was an off topic section, I never post there. DB, Jason, any chance you could move it there? Sorry about that.

I'm in Toronto, so I've no idea whatsoever about Winnipeg, except that it seems to produce good trumpet players. What's making you go to Winnipeg? Man, I'd say Toronto (plus, I can recommend you everything I know=). If you HAVE to go to Winnipeg, I can ask around for you. Let me know,

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Funny, 29th is the day i arrive in london for a week ( mostly work..)

Hey, I hope all of this fundamentally means you get to play & perform more.
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Well it isn't. Well it kind of is, in a way, sort of. But not.

As some of you may know, I live in Canada, but not for long. I'm moving to London on the 29th of this month. I thought that I would start a thread where you all can offer me advice, comments, suggestions, heckle me, ask me questions, whatever (none of which have to be limited to anything about my moving to England, Canada or I suppose even me. For example: 'what do you think of the MUFC Ronaldo sale?' is fair game=).

So in essence, it's a 'Goodbye from Canada' thread.

Have at it,

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Hey Gregg. I made the jump across the pond 2 years ago. The transition continues.... I live within easy distance of The City and if there is anything I can do to help you with your own adjustment, please PM me and we'll get in touch. Even if you just need to vent about the culture shock - and believe me, there is more than you might think, even going from Toronto to London, let alone Winnipeg.

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Hi there i've been to the capital many a time from my home up here in the north mate. It's a great place to be, lot of stuff going on. It's the sort of place you can live in for years and discover something new every single day it's just so big. None of the times i've been have ever been the same. One thing i would say is that stuff is pretty expensive over here, but then again you'll probably be earning more money so it's okay really. Free healthcare too :).
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Old 06-13-2009, 06:06 PM
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Funny, 29th is the day i arrive in london for a week ( mostly work..)

Hey, I hope all of this fundamentally means you get to play & perform more.

Fundamentally, me too!=) You going to have any time for leisure while in London? Let me know, not that I necessarily will!

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Hey Gregg. I made the jump across the pond 2 years ago. The transition continues.... I live within easy distance of The City and if there is anything I can do to help you with your own adjustment, please PM me and we'll get in touch. Even if you just need to vent about the culture shock - and believe me, there is more than you might think, even going from Toronto to London, let alone Winnepeg.

Let me know!
Great! So you're from Winnipeg? Can you help out the Aussie above that wants drum store info, by chance?=) Yeah, we should talk for sure, I'll PM you. I really appreciate the offer and will no doubt take you up on it.

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Hi there i've been to the capital many a time from my home up here in the north mate. It's a great place to be, lot of stuff going on. It's the sort of place you can live in for years and discover something new every single day it's just so big. None of the times i've been have ever been the same. One thing i would say is that stuff is pretty expensive over here, but then again you'll probably be earning more money so it's okay really. Free healthcare too :).
I'm only too aware of how expensive everything is! 10 quid for drumsticks. Maybe I should say this to the Brits that reply on this thread: anything you guys need that I can ship to you before I leave!?=)

Whist I AM glad to hear that you can always find something new in London even after years, because that is a great thing to experience, my lack of direction sense makes my really terrified!

Once again, I appreciate the support and introductions. Where in the north are you, Eddie?

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Although I haven't lived or worked in London, it's one of my favorite cities. I always feel comfortable and 'at home' when I'm there, but obviously vacationing is very different than functioning day-to-day.

Funny, but Toronto is also among my favorite cities! (Sydney is also in my top-5. I must have been from the commonwealth in a past life!)

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Although I haven't lived or worked in London, it's one of my favorite cities. I always feel comfortable and 'at home' when I'm there, but obviously vacationing is very different than functioning day-to-day.

Funny, but Toronto is also among my favorite cities! (Sydney is also in my top-5. I must have been from the commonwealth in a past life!)

Good luck, have fun!

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Cool man, thanks for the well wishes. Really, you love Toronto? I guess it's different for everyone, visitors too I imagine. And maybe you're just really in touch with your Colonial roots=)

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Great! So you're from Winnipeg? Can you help out the Aussie above that wants drum store info, by chance?=) Yeah, we should talk for sure, I'll PM you. I really appreciate the offer and will no doubt take you up on it.

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No, I'm not from Winnipeg, I was just riffing... I'm from the Toronto area originally, and lived in TO for 12 years before coming here to the UK.

As far as I know, however, there is a Long & McQuade's in Winnipeg...
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As far as I know, however, there is a Long & McQuade's in Winnipeg...
Gotcha. Isn't there a Loan and Persuade in every city in Canada?=)

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I'm only too aware of how expensive everything is! 10 quid for drumsticks. Maybe I should say this to the Brits that reply on this thread: anything you guys need that I can ship to you before I leave!?=)

Whist I AM glad to hear that you can always find something new in London even after years, because that is a great thing to experience, my lack of direction sense makes my really terrified!

Once again, I appreciate the support and introductions. Where in the north are you, Eddie?

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Yeah most music stores in the capital would probably sell you a set of sticks for a tenner but i've started using silverfox sticks which are 8 postage included off Highwood Drums website. Most drum and music shops outside of london would give you a set of your standard sort of vic firth/father/zildjian sticks for 7.99 too.

Haha well i wouldn't worry too much. The public transport in london is possibly the best in the world. Plus i mean James May managed for like 20 years didn't he?

Me? I'm from a small town known as "Beverley". You might know of a DW member called "trysthedrummer", well he lives near me in a seaside resort called "Hornsea". Both of these places are near the fishing port city of Kingston upon Hull. Bit further away but still not too far are York and Bridlington. You can get a train straight from Kings Cross to hull in about 2 and a half hours if you ever fancy a visit up here :).
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Yeah most music stores in the capital would probably sell you a set of sticks for a tenner but i've started using silverfox sticks which are 8 postage included off Highwood Drums website. Most drum and music shops outside of london would give you a set of your standard sort of vic firth/father/zildjian sticks for 7.99 too.

Haha well i wouldn't worry too much. The public transport in london is possibly the best in the world. Plus i mean James May managed for like 20 years didn't he?

Me? I'm from a small town known as "Beverley". You might know of a DW member called "trysthedrummer", well he lives near me in a seaside resort called "Hornsea". Both of these places are near the fishing port city of Kingston upon Hull. Bit further away but still not too far are York and Bridlington. You can get a train straight from Kings Cross to hull in about 2 and a half hours if you ever fancy a visit up here :).
Thanks, I'll keep a look out for a store outside the city if I need sticks, but as I don't break any really (they just wear out after quite a while), I hope I'm ok for the time being! I just use VF's.

I continuously am hearing how brilliant the transport in London is and that makes me very happy since I am coming from what is likely the worst in the world!

I absolutely fancy a visit anywhere I have never been, actually! Thanks for the invite, are we going to go fishing?

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Me? I'm from a small town known as "Beverley". You might know of a DW member called "trysthedrummer", well he lives near me in a seaside resort called "Hornsea". Both of these places are near the fishing port city of Kingston upon Hull. Bit further away but still not too far are York and Bridlington. You can get a train straight from Kings Cross to hull in about 2 and a half hours if you ever fancy a visit up here :).
What a SMALL world indeed! Now we're talking my family roots eddiehimself. Most of my relatives live in this neck of the woods across the pond. The epicenter of the family tree is Beverley, Yorkshire. I've spent MANY summers in Beverley and all points near and beyond over some 27 years now of travelling over from Canada. LOVE that little town. Between pints at Nellie's {new name now ?} and the amazing Beverley Minster and St. Mary's church the feel and history of that town is tops on my list of favorite English port of calls.

Back to the subject at hand all the best Gregg as i've said before when I first caught wind of your upcoming move.
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What a SMALL world indeed! Now we're talking my family roots eddiehimself. Most of my relatives live in this neck of the woods across the pond. The epicenter of the family tree is Beverley, Yorkshire. I've spent MANY summers in Beverley and all points near and beyond over some 27 years now of travelling over from Canada. LOVE that little town. Between pints at Nellie's {new name now ?} and the amazing Beverley Minster and St. Mary's church the feel and history of that town is tops on my list of favorite English port of calls.

Back to the subject at hand all the best Gregg as i've said before when I first caught wind of your upcoming move.
Thanks again Stan, much appreciated. I'm looking forward to doing some playing with Len!

And hey, no need to be concerned with veering off or on topic! I find it's not uncommon to see this stuff pop up anymore, the world is getting much smaller and even while there may have always been these kind of 'small world moments', I think now it is just more likely to stumble across them. Doesn't make it any less crazy or surprising when you DO stumble across it though!

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My sister lives in London and is always bugging me to make the move. My advice would be:

Watch the Bodegas for expiration dates. Some of those London small quick mart type stores are a little suspect. You could end up 24 or 48 on your knees from food poisoning.

Watch the traffic, esp is you're a jaywalker like most. Even though you've been there before, it is still easy to make a mistake step off the curb and get whacked. :)

Don't take public transit to Heathrow. They don't care if you make it on time. Take a cab to and fro and save the hassle.

London is expensive and the job market is not good. If such were not the case, I would have made the move years ago. It should be a great move.

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Watch the Bodegas for expiration dates. Some of those London small quick mart type stores are a little suspect. You could end up 24 or 48 on your knees from food poisoning.
Lol, now that's just ignorant! Wait, what's a Bodega?

I'd probably disagree about the job market not being good in London (although i'm still to gutless to step foot in it); being the biggest music centre in Europe it stands to reason that there are the most job opportunities - like NY or LA, getting into the scene is based on confidence and contacts. If the market is no good there, it's a whole lot worse anywhere else.
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What a SMALL world indeed! Now we're talking my family roots eddiehimself. Most of my relatives live in this neck of the woods across the pond. The epicenter of the family tree is Beverley, Yorkshire. I've spent MANY summers in Beverley and all points near and beyond over some 27 years now of travelling over from Canada. LOVE that little town. Between pints at Nellie's {new name now ?} and the amazing Beverley Minster and St. Mary's church the feel and history of that town is tops on my list of favorite English port of calls.

Back to the subject at hand all the best Gregg as i've said before when I first caught wind of your upcoming move.
Nice one! Well yeah nellies still is here i think but now we have some other places as well such as d4nhk and the jaz bar as well as all the old pubs like the tiger, the kings head and the woolpack, if any1 ever is having a drink there then do give no 40 a wave lol. I got my mate to register on here who also lives here, he's promised to post pics of his chrome over vistalite kit so we might be seeing that soon, i think he definetly knows a bit more about the local drinking holes and that.

Actually it's funny because we know sum1 who is canadian and used to live down our street. Probably not related though.
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I confess, I don't know what a Bodega is either. Where are you Jonescrusher?

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I'm in Portsmouth, about 70 miles away on the South Coast. Definitely not the hotbed of the the UK music scene. Saying that Will Calhoun was here last week, missed it though. Where in London are you settling?
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I'm in Portsmouth, about 70 miles away on the South Coast. Definitely not the hotbed of the the UK music scene. Saying that Will Calhoun was here last week, missed it though. Where in London are you settling?
Settling? North somewhere, but for the first bit we'll be staying in Hither Green (in/next to Lewisham) till we find something more in the middle of the city.

Calhoun is great, too bad you missed him! I saw Living Colour many years back and they amazing.

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I didn't realise you were a millionaire! My auntie lives in lewisham. I think her and the family are moving out though now that they've got a 3rd kid on the way. The house is a bit small.
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I didn't realise you were a millionaire! My auntie lives in lewisham. I think her and the family are moving out though now that they've got a 3rd kid on the way. The house is a bit small.
Ha ha, fair point! I SHOULD have said 'something very very tiny in the middle of the city'=).

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Ha ha, fair point! I SHOULD have said 'something very very tiny in the middle of the city'=).

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I tell you property prices are insane. Our house which is like 5 bedrooms for the same money you'd be lucky to get a 2 bedroom flat anywhere near the middle of the city.
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I tell you property prices are insane. Our house which is like 5 bedrooms for the same money you'd be lucky to get a 2 bedroom flat anywhere near the middle of the city.
Oh, I know man, we've done our research! As I said, nothing wrong with small as far as we're concerned=).

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Oh, I know man, we've done our research! As I said, nothing wrong with small as far as we're concerned=).

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yeah well the only thing is you'll have to get a roland electronic kit or something otherwise the neigbours won't be best pleased lol.
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yeah well the only thing is you'll have to get a roland electronic kit or something otherwise the neigbours won't be best pleased lol.
Practise?! Bah! No, just kidding, lol. I have a space lined up to practise, so I'm ok there. Aaaaactually, since I started this thread and have a question myself....Anyone have any experience with the mesh head jobbies? What's the deal with those, they work well enough?

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This is kinda funny but Canada is up there in one of my place I'd like to live. swap? :P

I'm excited for you. This must feel like a big adventure, a whole new start. You must be so nervous but excited at the same time. Wonder if I'd have the guts to do this sort of thing when I'm a bit older.

I'm from Manchester which is up north, England's second city. (Manchester is definitely the second city, not Birmingham like some people may tell you! lol) I went to London for the first time last year on holiday and didn't expect to like it because I'm very proud of being from the north, but I was totally surprised. It's a very cool, busy city with lots going on.

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This is kinda funny but Canada is up there in one of my place I'd like to live. swap? :P
Yeah canada is definetly high on my list of move to places, should the BNP take over.

Also i agree totally about manchester. People say brum is the 2nd city but really i think these days it's generally accepted that it's manchester. That's another place you really have to visit TS, great place.
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Thanks for the well wishes freebird! I AM excited, and a little nervous but probably not as much as I should be! I'm glad there will always be something for me to do there, I DO get bored easily. Also, I am a history nerd so er, yeah- UK....=)

Canada has it's benefits and I would be glad to answer any questions however,clearly do not ask ME if it's a great place to live (Toronto, anyway). What makes Canada so appealing to you guys, if I may ask?

I know where Manchester is, my British geography is pretty good (except apparently for Greenwich, but shhh, Duncan). So what do you guys mean 'second city'? Would that be a status thing, or an importance thing? Is it an official designation or not?

Are you a United or City fan, Freebird?

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Thanks for the well wishes freebird! I AM excited, and a little nervous but probably not as much as I should be! I'm glad there will always be something for me to do there, I DO get bored easily. Also, I am a history nerd so er, yeah- UK....=)

Canada has it's benefits and I would be glad to answer any questions however,clearly do not ask ME if it's a great place to live (Toronto, anyway). What makes Canada so appealing to you guys, if I may ask?

I know where Manchester is, my British geography is pretty good (except apparently for Greenwich, but shhh, Duncan). So what do you guys mean 'second city'? Would that be a status thing, or an importance thing? Is it an official designation or not?

Are you a United or City fan, Freebird?

Thanks again!

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I just think canada seems like a nice place, i guess they were probably being a bit biased but i remember on BFC the video they were basically showing how many people in canada leave their doors unlocked because of the lack of burglaries. Apparently. It's a beautiful place in terms of it's geography too.

Grenwich is in south east london, it's where what was the millenium dome (now the O2 arena) is. It's the opposite side of the bank from where all the big business buildings are. It's also the centre of time, and the world's largest talking clock.

Manchester is actually the 2nd biggest city in the UK second only to, well i think you can guess eh? Historically it was one of the centres of the industrial revolution. These days it gets many visitors each year and the universities are some of the best in the country. It's highly multicultural with a massive chinatown area and there are a hell of a loada shops. Many classic and famous UK TV shows such as Coranation Street are made in Manc too.

But i think possibly above all that stuff is what you just mentioned. The Footie. Manchester utd. for people in this country (people who aren't fans at least) is known as being "the team that is supported by almost everybody who ISN'T from Manchester!" Let's face it, along with Arsenal, Real Madrid and FCB Barcelona, Man U is possibly the most famous football club in the world. Every football fan from Alaska to the phillipines (sp?) and Austrailia has an opinion on Manchester United whether they love or hate the team. I think that has got to have something to do with the Economic fortunes of the city.
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Manchester is another AMAZING place. Lots of interesting history going on in this vibrant cultural center of the North. Great beer and pub food , pretty ladies and the incredible transport museum and art gallery are well worth a visit if staying there long enough {I had 4 days}. The signs directed at visiting football fans and how they should behave themselves in regards to airport staff at arrivals at the Manchester airport is worth the price of swing through that terminal alone..... :}


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Gregg is a history buff. Ask him about the slave trade any day of the week - or as I like to call it, the Toronto Jazz Scene.

Gregg, we'll go somewhere cool. I've got to work out where a good pub is nearish both of us. Looking forward to seeing you, but I'm not going to be down until the 5th of July and after that we'll sort out the stuff.
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Ha ha, eddie, yeah, that's the common misconception. I think the people Michael Moore talked to in that movie were just crazy. No one I know leaves their door open usually and NEVER unlocked. Mind you, I'm in Toronto, maybe it's different elsewhere, but it's still not a wise move! What about Vancouver Stan, do they there?

Canada IS geographically...abundant, let's say. Mostly because for size of the bloody place, there's barely anyone here! Don't get me wrong though, Canada IS a nice place.

I know a smattering of Manchester (mostly football oriented, but historically too). Didn't know Coronation St was filmed there though. I CAN say I was gutted when someone told me that East Enders was filmed on a set, and Walford was fictional.=) I will absolutely visit Manchester at some point (for football)- and thanks Stan for your Canadian perspective, I always appreciate that. I think its cool to have both sides, the British perspective and the Canadian one, like Stan and Boomka, for example. I also appreciate the history lessons and cultural stuff, thanks guys, really. By the way, you;re right Stand, it's REALLY getting close. I should be packing.... They take plastic bags from the supermarket on the plane as baggage, right????

Duncan- only too true, both parts! We'll find a place, don;t worry. Besides, if we drink too much you can always crash on our...er...floor? ....table....uh....bass drum case?

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Seeing as you've got an 18" or a 16" (bass drum case that is) floor it is. Or sofa. But I am 6'2" and they do crick my neck.
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Ha ha, eddie, yeah, that's the common misconception. I think the people Michael Moore talked to in that movie were just crazy. No one I know leaves their door open usually and NEVER unlocked. Mind you, I'm in Toronto, maybe it's different elsewhere, but it's still not a wise move! What about Vancouver Stan, do they there?

Canada IS geographically...abundant, let's say. Mostly because for size of the bloody place, there's barely anyone here! Don't get me wrong though, Canada IS a nice place.

I know a smattering of Manchester (mostly football oriented, but historically too). Didn't know Coronation St was filmed there though. I CAN say I was gutted when someone told me that East Enders was filmed on a set, and Walford was fictional.=) I will absolutely visit Manchester at some point (for football)- and thanks Stan for your Canadian perspective, I always appreciate that. I think its cool to have both sides, the British perspective and the Canadian one, like Stan and Boomka, for example. I also appreciate the history lessons and cultural stuff, thanks guys, really. By the way, you;re right Stand, it's REALLY getting close. I should be packing.... They take plastic bags from the supermarket on the plane as baggage, right????

Duncan- only too true, both parts! We'll find a place, don;t worry. Besides, if we drink too much you can always crash on our...er...floor? ....table....uh....bass drum case?

GB

Everything is locked up tight here Gregg. Don't you know we're the gang capital of North America. We've had more gang related by rival member to member shootings resulting in death this year than the number of gigs in total i've done in 09!. Maybe they'll all do each other in so it will the nice place to live again like it was when I first moved here in the 80's. Still a lovely place to live with some good creative players to play with here on the Coast.

Yes you better get those suitcases.. err....I mean plastic bags :} packed. Remember to put anything small made of metal or they can percieve to be a unboard threat in the underbelly of the plane NOT in your carry on!

Have a great trip and do visit some of our DW members in Yorkshire and up in Manchester down the road. The trains out of London are fast and efficient to all points North...... by a Brit Rail pass..... you can have a pint on the train too :}

Start packing.....:}
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Thanks for the well wishes freebird! I AM excited, and a little nervous but probably not as much as I should be! I'm glad there will always be something for me to do there, I DO get bored easily. Also, I am a history nerd so er, yeah- UK....=)

Canada has it's benefits and I would be glad to answer any questions however,clearly do not ask ME if it's a great place to live (Toronto, anyway). What makes Canada so appealing to you guys, if I may ask?

I know where Manchester is, my British geography is pretty good (except apparently for Greenwich, but shhh, Duncan). So what do you guys mean 'second city'? Would that be a status thing, or an importance thing? Is it an official designation or not?

Are you a United or City fan, Freebird?

Thanks again!

GB
Yea I got a good impression of Canada from BFC too lol. But I dunno it just seems like nice place, friendly neighbours to the north and all that. I don't have any real knowledge of the place. I suppose I'd just like to be somewhere where it snows at christmas lol.

The second city thing is more of a status/pride thing, nothing official. Some people say that Manchester should be the capital (mainly people from Manchester lol) but obviously it's never going to be so we settle with 'second city'.

Oh and it's Man U ftw. The rest of my family are city fans so it causes trouble :P If you're coming to England you're going to have pick a team. You can't just say you're neutral. Just to prepare you before any footy fans probe you! :P
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