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Old 10-31-2008, 12:46 AM
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Man, there's a lot of differing opinions on Phil Rudd here.

I got one too.
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There's a whole lot of drummers that say Phil's shtick is easy, well, I've yet to see a drummer have his groove. There are FUNK drummers who wish they had pants with pockets that deep. No one just PLAYS like that!! That's something you can't teach or learn, it's what Phil Rudd IS!!
They should take a lesson from Phil.

I've yet to see a band, even a TRIBUTE band, play Phil's parts like Phil does, they ALWAYS rush the song as compared to Phil.
. . .They should take a lesson from Phil.

His internal clock ain't syncin' with NOBODY, everybody should use Phil as the pinnacle to which all drummers should aspire. But drummers who say it's "too simple" will INVARIABLY mess it up by putting their own needs ahead of the song by adding rolls, crashes and other "augmentations" that just don't belong. Even "replacement" drummers IN the band didn't do it right.
. . .They should take a lesson from Phil.

I've heard FAR too many drummers (amateur AND pro) that are so tied up with chops or fills or whatever makes THEM feel good, that they forgot to make the TUNE feel good.
. . .They should take a lesson from Phil.

If you don't hear what Phil Rudd brings to the drumming table, you seriously aren't listening properly.
. . .They should take a lesson from Phil.

I personally have taken gigs away from WAY more proficient drummers with SCADS more technical ability and chops than me, but "If you play the SONG, you can't go wrong!"
. . .I took a lesson from Phil.
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Old 10-31-2008, 01:28 AM
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Going to see Phil & the band tonight!!

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Old 10-31-2008, 01:29 AM
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Man, there's a lot of differing opinions on Phil Rudd here.

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There's a whole lot of drummers that say Phil's shtick is easy, well, I've yet to see a drummer have his groove. There are FUNK drummers who wish they had pants with pockets that deep. No one just PLAYS like that!! That's something you can't teach or learn, it's what Phil Rudd IS!!
They should take a lesson from Phil.

I've yet to see a band, even a TRIBUTE band, play Phil's parts like Phil does, they ALWAYS rush the song as compared to Phil.
. . .They should take a lesson from Phil.

His internal clock ain't syncin' with NOBODY, everybody should use Phil as the pinnacle to which all drummers should aspire. But drummers who say it's "too simple" will INVARIABLY mess it up by putting their own needs ahead of the song by adding rolls, crashes and other "augmentations" that just don't belong. Even "replacement" drummers IN the band didn't do it right.
. . .They should take a lesson from Phil.

I've heard FAR too many drummers (amateur AND pro) that are so tied up with chops or fills or whatever makes THEM feel good, that they forgot to make the TUNE feel good.
. . .They should take a lesson from Phil.

If you don't hear what Phil Rudd brings to the drumming table, you seriously aren't listening properly.
. . .They should take a lesson from Phil.

I personally have taken gigs away from WAY more proficient drummers with SCADS more technical ability and chops than me, but "If you play the SONG, you can't go wrong!"
. . .I took a lesson from Phil.
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:57 PM
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Phil Rudd has good rythm and groove and all, but he lacks complexity.
I know the beat is the most important, but I wish he would solo out, or use difficult fills so that we really see his abilities.
He's good, but not one of the best.
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Old 11-06-2008, 01:13 AM
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Hello,

Phil Rudd does the job and he does it well done for AC/DC, reasons why he is back on drums. It is a pity to say but Simon Wright and Chris Slade did not last that much with the band!!! Phil has the catchy feeling and groove.
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Old 11-07-2008, 01:43 PM
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Man, there's a lot of differing opinions on Phil Rudd here.

I got one too.
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There's a whole lot of drummers that say Phil's shtick is easy, well, I've yet to see a drummer have his groove. There are FUNK drummers who wish they had pants with pockets that deep. No one just PLAYS like that!! That's something you can't teach or learn, it's what Phil Rudd IS!!
They should take a lesson from Phil.

I've yet to see a band, even a TRIBUTE band, play Phil's parts like Phil does, they ALWAYS rush the song as compared to Phil.
. . .They should take a lesson from Phil.

His internal clock ain't syncin' with NOBODY, everybody should use Phil as the pinnacle to which all drummers should aspire. But drummers who say it's "too simple" will INVARIABLY mess it up by putting their own needs ahead of the song by adding rolls, crashes and other "augmentations" that just don't belong. Even "replacement" drummers IN the band didn't do it right.
. . .They should take a lesson from Phil.

I've heard FAR too many drummers (amateur AND pro) that are so tied up with chops or fills or whatever makes THEM feel good, that they forgot to make the TUNE feel good.
. . .They should take a lesson from Phil.

If you don't hear what Phil Rudd brings to the drumming table, you seriously aren't listening properly.
. . .They should take a lesson from Phil.

I personally have taken gigs away from WAY more proficient drummers with SCADS more technical ability and chops than me, but "If you play the SONG, you can't go wrong!"
. . .I took a lesson from Phil.
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Old 11-07-2008, 11:39 PM
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Here's a cool article/interview I had in my bookmarks. I had forgotten I had it so it was cool to read again. It's from BEFORE he rejoined ACDC so it's a pretty unique perspective.

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http://www.acdcstars.de/storys_philinterview.htm
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Old 11-08-2008, 01:40 AM
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Mr. Rudd on drums, enjoy the pictures.

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Old 11-08-2008, 06:34 AM
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I personally have taken gigs away from WAY more proficient drummers with SCADS more technical ability and chops than me, but "If you play the SONG, you can't go wrong!"
. . .I took a lesson from Phil.
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Haven't taken a ton of gigs, but landed 2 from players that had way more technical ability than me.

It is all about the groove from all the other band mates' perspectives!!!!

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Old 11-11-2008, 09:06 PM
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Once again: great groove, but terrible stage presence!
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Old 11-25-2008, 03:57 AM
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I was looking at Phil Rudds set up again.

He uses a very forward hi hat position. This it the best advantage for the right. It allows right hand playing on the hats without crossing the hands or arms.
Check out Phils set up and physical approach.
I find that unless I have three toms up front, then I need to go for the forward hi hat position as it offers to me a better ergonomics and ability to hold a AC/DC type pocket.

Take a good look at his hi-hat placement.

I noticed this on the SARS video. His hands never cross.
This makes a better pocket IMHO.
For me it does.
I love it.
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Phil has perfect stage presence.
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Old 01-25-2009, 05:37 PM
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At first I didn't like Phil's playing. I thought it was boring and uncreative. Now I've realised that if he'd done a billion pataflaflas and fancy fills in every song it would have totally ruined the band's sound. Keep rocking, Phil! :)
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Old 01-28-2009, 02:25 AM
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Phil is much like Ringo Starr or Charlie Watts in that he plays exactly what his band needs for them to sound good, nothing more, nothing less.
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Say Dream Theater for example, none is actually counting-off, and I know they dont use a click....
Dream Theater do use a click...
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Dream Theater do use a click...
In the studio: yes (everyone does, these days)
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Phil is much like Ringo Starr or Charlie Watts in that he plays exactly what his band needs for them to sound good, nothing more, nothing less.
same opinion here.No matter who the drummer for AC/DC is, they all plays the same, time keeping....very easy to play along for me. I just dont understand when people say his strokes are "deep' in the pocket. I think that drum sound is because of the drum technician's extremely delicate effort of tuning and the sound engineers work.

The difference between Chris Slade and Phil Rudd is Chris shows some face expressions while keeping time, Phil doesnt.

If Phil ever plays on my starter kit with those starter Planet Z "Klanky" cymbals, he would be playing like a pro but the sound would be so bad!!

I am a fan of Time keeping drummers.
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i like him because he plays really solid, not too much and to less! just perfect!
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Old 02-06-2009, 05:38 AM
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In the studio: yes (everyone does, these days)
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In fact, Im fairly certain they do, or at the very least, Mike does on some of their stuff.


This is a shot I took behind Mikes kit. You can just make out a pad under his chimes to the left - Which, if memory serves me correctly, acts as a tap-tempo device for his in-ears.

Of course, he may not use it for all the songs.

Also if you watch any of their later live DVDs, you can feel him pulling back in some sections the same way somewone would if they were correcting from coming in to a part too quickly.
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Old 02-11-2009, 02:06 PM
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In fact, Im fairly certain they do, or at the very least, Mike does on some of their stuff.


This is a shot I took behind Mikes kit. You can just make out a pad under his chimes to the left - Which, if memory serves me correctly, acts as a tap-tempo device for his in-ears.
Your memory does not serve you correctly. That pad triggers a cowbell sound that is only fed to the band members' in-ear monitors, and he uses it to count in songs without the audience hearing it. It does not set the tempo for a click track (with all the odd-time stuff they do, he really couldn't use anything with a simple tap-tempo function anyway, they'd have to use pre-programmed sequences).
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I think the Solid deep Sound is the result of the Tuning. He is just another time keeper to me.
If he plays on an un tuned snare the sound would be crappy but the time keeping would be awsome.
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well, since this is a thread about phil rudd, i might as well comment


one may ask, what makes phil rudd such a unique drummer in his own right?

i personally think, that sometimes simple is better. and rudd never drifts too far from the old 4/4 rock beat.

his fills are simple, his accents predictable... and i think thats what makes phil rudd such a decent drummer

his ability to keep solid time and add accents excactly when needed keeps bands like ac/dc afloat
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Old 02-16-2009, 06:20 AM
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I think I read somewhere that back in the 70's Phil wanted to retune his snare after every song because he hit so hard.
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cool interview with brian... why phil is the coolest...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gOdUmVy3S0
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Just remembered, he uses a ride in Ride On
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...and a ride cymbal on, Ain't No Fun (Waiting Round To Be A Millionaire), The Jack (take from High Voltage).
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Old 05-15-2009, 09:52 PM
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Just spotted this on Paiste's site:

http://www.paiste.com/e/endorser_det...ndorserid=1642

Do you think this is a mis-print or does he really use 3 of the same 20" crash & 4 of the same 19" crash...? Any thoughts on the wisdom behind this?
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Not sure why phil would have 7 crashes because when i saw ac/dc back in november he only really used 4 of them. As for the sizes i don't know maybe he just really likes the 19 and 20.
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That's a nice kit, but it's a bit much for ac/dc. Mind you, he's always used big kits:

http://media.photobucket.com/image/p...uddrhythm3.jpg

I personally think all those cymbals is just overkill, I mean when i play AC/DC I use only two crashes, three at most.
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i don't really understand what is so special about rudd. the only thing he gets props is because he keeps it simple and of course has a very steady and solid beat but explain which professional drummer doesn't keep a steady beat?
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I know what you mean, Casp3. Chris Franz of Talking Heads is about the only drummer I can think of who plays such simple rock beats and even Chris shows a lot more variety!

Still, I heard that ACDC had Chris Slade drumming with them for a while and he did some very nice playing with Manfred Mann's Earth Band. A good player. Yet, when Phil Rudd returned the other Accadacca members reckoned it brought something back to the band that was missing.

Maybe his simplicity is what they wanted - no adornment, just the straight beat. Also his energy. Exactly what "fire" and "energy" is is hard to put your finger on. I guess technically it means a particular combination of dynamics and the relation of your playing to the beat.

I guess the proof of the pudding is in the eating. If a band and its fans think the band is kicking a*** with a certain drummer, then the drummer must be doing something right.
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i don't really understand what is so special about rudd. the only thing he gets props is because he keeps it simple and of course has a very steady and solid beat but explain which professional drummer doesn't keep a steady beat?
Name one professional drummer who does it just like THAT!! If you've followed ACDC you know they've used other drummers when Rudd left, it was no where NEAR the same.

What Rudd has you can't quantify, you can't catalog it, or show a friend. He has that magical something that fits in so well with ACDC that NO other drummer will be as good with the band.

There are bands that get new drummers for whatever reason, and it doesn't matter, it might even be an IMPROVEMENT, but technically "better" drummers have done Rudd's gig, and it was NOT as good.

There's no technical reason for it yet it IS so. THAT'S that special something coming through. You can't BUY it, or make someone else "get it" but it exists in Rudd's playing with ACDC.
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I know what you mean, Casp3. Chris Franz of Talking Heads is about the only drummer I can think of who plays such simple rock beats and even Chris shows a lot more variety!

Still, I heard that ACDC had Chris Slade drumming with them for a while and he did some very nice playing with Manfred Mann's Earth Band. A good player. Yet, when Phil Rudd returned the other Accadacca members reckoned it brought something back to the band that was missing.

Maybe his simplicity is what they wanted - no adornment, just the straight beat. Also his energy. Exactly what "fire" and "energy" is is hard to put your finger on. I guess technically it means a particular combination of dynamics and the relation of your playing to the beat.

I guess the proof of the pudding is in the eating. If a band and its fans think the band is kicking a*** with a certain drummer, then the drummer must be doing something right.
I think Phil (Rudd) does the job - and He does it dead right for AC/DC or Accadacca (real Aussie term). Must be the reason, why He is Back In Black Ice...and harder than a rock!

Can't shoot, root or electrocute that guy, He is made for AC/DC.

Did I say it right, Pollyanna?....:-)
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Name one professional drummer who does it just like THAT!! If you've followed ACDC you know they've used other drummers when Rudd left, it was no where NEAR the same.

What Rudd has you can't quantify, you can't catalog it, or show a friend. He has that magical something that fits in so well with ACDC that NO other drummer will be as good with the band.

There are bands that get new drummers for whatever reason, and it doesn't matter, it might even be an IMPROVEMENT, but technically "better" drummers have done Rudd's gig, and it was NOT as good.

There's no technical reason for it yet it IS so. THAT'S that special something coming through. You can't BUY it, or make someone else "get it" but it exists in Rudd's playing with ACDC.
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I don't know if you could say his playing is "magical",(as stated in an earlier post) but it does fit the music. AC/DC songs usually only have 3 to 4 chords at most & maybe 2 or 3 sections in a song. Complex drumming would take away from the solid rock feel, which is why more technical players might not fit the sound. He is solid but not "magical."
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I think he gets more press than deserved because AC/DC is a legendary rock band. Same with Charlie Watts. People who really like AC/DC and the Stones naturally elevate all the musicians in those groups to superhuman status, when in fact they are all average in talent, but write awesome music. Phil and Charlie would likely meet any induction into a great drummers club with raised brows, though. I don't think either one even tries to compete with other drummers in the talent department or even cares to.
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I don't know if you could say his playing is "magical",(as stated in an earlier post) but it does fit the music. AC/DC songs usually only have 3 to 4 chords at most & maybe 2 or 3 sections in a song. Complex drumming would take away from the solid rock feel, which is why more technical players might not fit the sound. He is solid but not "magical."
Indy, although I see what you're driving at, how is it those drummers who HAVE been a part of the band in Rudd's absence couldn't fit themselves to the music? Are they all DAFT?? How do they not hear what HAS to be played in the tunes? How is it their groove doesn't have the same feel (even CLOSE) to that of Rudd?
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I think he gets more press than deserved because AC/DC is a legendary rock band. Same with Charlie Watts. People who really like AC/DC and the Stones naturally elevate all the musicians in those groups to superhuman status, when in fact they are all average in talent, but write awesome music. Phil and Charlie would likely meet any induction into a great drummers club with raised brows, though. I don't think either one even tries to compete with other drummers in the talent department or even cares to.
I really like this Westy, I too don't think they're in any competition. I see them as trying their damnedest to compliment the tune they are playing in the special ways that they are able too. Though I DO see their superhuman status as being warranted. As simple as each of these drummers are, I've yet to see even ONE other drummer pull off something CLOSE in doing a cover of their tunes. No, I'm not knocking the other drummers, there have been some EXCELLENT versions that I've heard, but all lack that "special something" that keeps these (and a few other) "simple" drummers in the forefront of drummers we ALL can learn from.
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Are they all DAFT?? How do they not hear what HAS to be played in the tunes?
I can just imagine it. There's this new guy on the stool playing that big frug beat. He starts to doze off when they figure, "Mmm, I could just slip a little sneaky bit in there to catch the rhythm guitar". Meanwhile Phil just keeps going chug-chug-chug and everyone goes ape.

It's funny, but a lot of musos and fans just love for us drummers to get out of the way so when a drummer rolls over and says, "Ok, I'll be your drum machine if that's what you want" then everyone says how great they are LOL

But can I please just have one fill in this number? There's a spot just before the bridge that's screaming for a bit extra to kick the song along. Pretty please??

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I think he gets more press than deserved because AC/DC is a legendary rock band. Same with Charlie Watts. People who really like AC/DC and the Stones naturally elevate all the musicians in those groups to superhuman status, when in fact they are all average in talent, but write awesome music. Phil and Charlie would likely meet any induction into a great drummers club with raised brows, though. I don't think either one even tries to compete with other drummers in the talent department or even cares to.
my thoughts exactly.

No disrespect to Rudd and Watts, AC/DC and the stones can still move on if they ever decide to quit.

However, when Keith Moon died, the whole band died! (Thats what uniqueness or creativity in drumming means to me)

Time keeping is hard but can be copied by a moderate drummer. All the AC/DC drummers are Time Keepers.

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Yes, they can copy those simple lines, but will they? There's the rub ...

Kenny Jones might have been the wrong kind of drummer to replace Keith. One, he's sane and, two, he's more disciplined. The Who and their fans fed off Keith's wild energy. They needed another loony but I'm not sure anyone can do "loony" as well as Keith did it :)
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Good thing I joined this forum. How can you have a list of drummers with no Phil Rudd.

The guy defines the word 'solid'.

he always reminds me that you can keep it simple and interesting. I think the album Highway to Hell has some of the most tasteful drumming.

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I agree!!!!!! I love the start of the hihat on highway to hell!! thats really cool how he starts it!! They have Phil Rudd on Drummerworld though, maybe you missed it!!His drumming technique is very plain and has a straight ongoing beat. I like John Bonham better But phil rudd is good too.
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