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Old 03-10-2009, 10:42 PM
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Do many of you still use a felt beater? I don't mean just the jazz guys, but rockers and so on.

As many beaters as I have tried, the deepest thump comes from the narrow felt side of a pearl quadbeater. I am looking around for a replacement beater (as mine is quite worn) that is not the lightweight IC type felt, but something with more old school oomph. I think that implies felt, but with a slightly narrowed impact area vs just a large block.

Ideas?
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Old 03-10-2009, 10:45 PM
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Have you checked out Danmar?
http://www.danmarpercussion.com/top1.htm

I like the Classic 206.
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Old 03-10-2009, 10:50 PM
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Have you checked out Danmar?
http://www.danmarpercussion.com/top1.htm

I like the Classic 206.
I am checking it now. I was looking at a dw, they make a medium and large. Though the Danmar looks like less money...
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Old 03-10-2009, 10:52 PM
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I haven't played out in a long time...
but I do Practice with a felt beater. I am currently using
the felt side of my Tama Cobra Jr.s and I am Okay with it.
I also second the vote on Danmar beaters...
back in the 80's I used their wooden model & it was a Killer.
I went back to their felt model because their wooden beater was eating away
my bass drum head...lol
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Old 03-10-2009, 10:57 PM
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I haven't played out in a long time...
but I do Practice with a felt beater. I am currently using
the felt side of my Tama Cobra Jr.s and I am Okay with it.
I also second the vote on Danmar beaters...
back in the 80's I used their wooden model & it was a Killer.
I went back to their felt model because their wooden beater was eating away
my bass drum head...lol
Funny you should mention. I have a couple of Redwood beaters (Vic Firth I think) that are splintered.

Two votes for Danmar from the felt crowd. After looking around, I decided on a pair of the classic 206. I have two on order from west coast drums. DAMN shipping is expensive!!!

But then again, they are $24.99 each plus tax at my local shop (when they have them), so no matter what, shipping is cheaper.
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Old 03-10-2009, 11:03 PM
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Funny you should mention. I have a couple of Redwood beaters (Vic Firth I think) that are splintered.

Two votes for Danmar from the felt crowd. After looking around, I decided on a pair of the classic 206. I have two on order from west coast drums. DAMN shipping is expensive!!!

But then again, they are $24.99 each plus tax at my local shop (when they have them), so no matter what, shipping is cheaper.
Hope you dig them. I've used the 206 for as long as i can remember. I also tried a wood beater yeasr ago after seeing Dean Castronovo play one. That lasted two minutes.
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Old 03-10-2009, 11:07 PM
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Hope you dig them. I've used the 206 for as long as i can remember. I also tried a wood beater yeasr ago after seeing Dean Castronovo play one. That lasted two minutes.
I grew up old school where most everyone used felt, and on rare occasion (Bonham) used wood.

I am growing nonplussed by the clickety-click kick drum sounds. I like that deep, round heavy punch. Harder materials like wood and plastic add a high-pitched attack that I end up eq'ing out anyway.
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Old 03-10-2009, 11:10 PM
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Do many of you still use a felt beater? I don't mean just the jazz guys, but rockers and so on.

As many beaters as I have tried, the deepest thump comes from the narrow felt side of a pearl quadbeater. I am looking around for a replacement beater (as mine is quite worn) that is not the lightweight IC type felt, but something with more old school oomph. I think that implies felt, but with a slightly narrowed impact area vs just a large block.

Ideas?
I make my own beaters from superballs glued to the shaft. They probably aren't the most durable beaters, but I've never had one wear out, although I'm not a really hard player.

You'd think the superballs would be hard to control, but just the opposite. They are pretty light. You get a very snappy rebound (I like loose bass heads) without much intertia behind it, so your feet don't have to fight them. Superballs are giving yet smooth, so the drum produces a lot of chomp. I stick a bit of fuzzy velcro on one side for a softer sound, giving just as much thickness but less definition.
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Old 03-10-2009, 11:16 PM
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I'm not a really hard player.
but...but...but Zambizzi said you were the hammer of the Gods kind of hitter...

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You'd think the superballs would be hard to control, but just the opposite. They are pretty light. You get a very snappy rebound (I like loose bass heads) without much intertia behind it, so your feet don't have to fight them. Superballs are giving yet smooth, so the drum produces a lot of chomp. I stick a bit of fuzzy velcro on one side for a softer sound, giving just as much thickness but less definition.
As long as the material is dense enough to withstand playing without shattering apart. It would be a good compromise between wood and felt. Then again, tama and others do use rubber. Hmm.. DIY beaters... I think I have a few killed-in-action beaters to experiment with.
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Old 03-10-2009, 11:28 PM
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I grew up old school where most everyone used felt, and on rare occasion (Bonham) used wood.

I am growing nonplussed by the clickety-click kick drum sounds. I like that deep, round heavy punch. Harder materials like wood and plastic add a high-pitched attack that I end up eq'ing out anyway.
OOH will you sell me the Trick beaters???!!!


Sctatch that, I'm totally broke. :(
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Old 03-10-2009, 11:30 PM
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OOH will you sell me the Trick beaters???!!!


Sctatch that, I'm totally broke. :(
Nope. I am keeping both sets of trick beaters. Spare tools of the trade.
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Old 03-11-2009, 02:08 AM
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There is appearently a nationwide shortage on the Danmar beaters. They are in fact, the most popular felt beater in the USA. Every site I went to said "out of stock" with an estimated arrival date in a couple weeks.

My Danmars are on backorder, I'll probably have them in 2-3 weeks.

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Old 03-11-2009, 02:52 AM
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There is appearently a nationwide shortage on the Danmar beaters. They are in fact, the most popular felt beater in the USA. Every site I went to said "out of stock" with an estimated arrival date in a couple weeks.

My Danmars are on backorder, I'll probably have them in 2-3 weeks.
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Old 03-11-2009, 03:11 AM
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I prefer the felt beaters too. I'm still using the one that came on my Tama Camco w/footplate that I bought in '91. My Speed King has a wooden one that I don't dig, but I'm gonna hang onto it 'cause it's original with the pedal (which, although I'd hesitate so say "vintage", is older), unless someone wants to trade an original SK felt beater for it...?
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Old 03-11-2009, 03:52 AM
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I think felt beters fell out of favor with some, especially in the metal genre. They tend to go for the ultra-low mass beaters so that if they twitch, the beater moves more easily. Outside of the constant high-velocity double kick genre, I find those beaters completely inadequate. They slap the kick, and you *really* have to stomp them to get the resultant moderate thump.

The heavier felt really makes a kick sound much deeper.
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Old 03-11-2009, 06:30 AM
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but...but...but Zambizzi said you were the hammer of the Gods kind of hitter...
As long as the material is dense enough to withstand playing without shattering apart. It would be a good compromise between wood and felt. Then again, tama and others do use rubber. Hmm.. DIY beaters... I think I have a few killed-in-action beaters to experiment with.
"Hammer of the Gods hitter." Hey, I like that. I get lots of sound mainly through technique, not so much effort, but that sounds cool.

Try the superball beaters and you might like them - at least it would be a fun project. Use balls that are very large, almost two inches in diameter. Sometimes you can find them in gumball vending machines for a buck; usually they have a psychedelic swirl but sometimes they are a solid color. Mark the drill bit so you come to within 1/8 inch of the other side of the ball. You don't want to go all the way through..

Shafts are 1/4-inch steel so use a 15/64 drill bit for a snug fit and epoxy for lubricant. I also grind the sides of the shaft that goes into the superball to roughen it a bit to hold the epoxy better.

I've been playing about two years with these on my Duallist and never had any breakage, ball coming off the shaft or other failure.
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Old 03-11-2009, 06:33 AM
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I use nothing but a felt beater
even on hard rock
I can't stand the feel of any other
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Old 03-11-2009, 06:33 AM
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I have always used felt on my personal pedals, along with an Evans clear kick dot on the batter head.

I don't like the feel or minute rebounds I get using wood,rubber, or anything else. Plus, felt sounds best just like others have said!
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I have always used felt on my personal pedals, along with an Evans clear kick dot on the batter head.

I don't like the feel or minute rebounds I get using wood,rubber, or anything else. Plus, felt sounds best just like others have said!
One of the things that caught my attention...

People who pley a 20" kick can get much more appearent low end (and thump) than with other types of beaters.

Using modern beaters like the iron cobra, the 20x16" kick sounded physically smaller. Putting in old-style felt, that sucker would punch you in the chest. It almost sounded like going from 20-22" just by using the felt.
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Old 03-11-2009, 04:21 PM
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One of the things that caught my attention...

People who pley a 20" kick can get much more appearent low end (and thump) than with other types of beaters.

Using modern beaters like the iron cobra, the 20x16" kick sounded physically smaller. Putting in old-style felt, that sucker would punch you in the chest. It almost sounded like going from 20-22" just by using the felt.
I agree completely
I've experienced the greater thump I get with felt on both of the drum sets I play on
both the sets have 22" bass drums, but the one at my school came with a modern plastic and hard felt and honestly, it gets a completely plastic sound. I can't feather at all with it (I do that even in rock because it warms and gives more power to the beat when not doing strong accents) so I brought in my felt beater from home and it did wonders for the sound
I just love the sound, feel, and versatility of the felt beater
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One of the things that caught my attention...

People who pley a 20" kick can get much more appearent low end (and thump) than with other types of beaters.

Using modern beaters like the iron cobra, the 20x16" kick sounded physically smaller. Putting in old-style felt, that sucker would punch you in the chest. It almost sounded like going from 20-22" just by using the felt.
I think this is more of an issue of weight. I use Volkswagan plastic beaters, and get the low end and the treble, which , as a 14-year-old, I enjoy.
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I think this is more of an issue of weight. I use Volkswagan plastic beaters, and get the low end and the treble, which , as a 14-year-old, I enjoy.
Volkswagan plastic beaters? Not sure what that refers to.

Age has nothing really to do with enjoyment of bass quality. My preference has been to distinctly have low end with no plasticky click at all. That being said, the only genre I have heard that seems to revel in it is metal.

I'd say 98% of the time, I want pure, deep thump with no high pitched artifacts. If I played metal more often, I always have the trick beaters for that effect.
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Old 03-11-2009, 09:30 PM
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I use two beaters:

- Traditional round felt beater.
- Bigfoot maple inner/lambs wool outer beater (after having less-than-stellar durability from the Vater Vintage Bomber beater).

I agree 100% - I think rubber and plastic add way too much slap and rob the drum of mid and low end fullness. You can get a pretty ridiculous click/slap through mic placement alone (if that's your cup of tea, it's not mine).
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but...but...but Zambizzi said you were the hammer of the Gods kind of hitter...
I think I just said he had some serious power behind his stroke...don't remember the "hammer of the gods" thing...but I've said stranger things I guess. :)

I really *really* like the Tama Iron Cobra felt beater. I've got several different beaters at home but that's my favorite. It's small but heavy, so the note is focused and the control/feel is great.

I love that it adjusts to the angle of the head, too.
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I think I just said he had some serious power behind his stroke...don't remember the "hammer of the gods" thing...but I've said stranger things I guess. :)

I really *really* like the Tama Iron Cobra felt beater. I've got several different beaters at home but that's my favorite. It's small but heavy, so the note is focused and the control/feel is great.

I love that it adjusts to the angle of the head, too.
I made up the "Hammer of The Gods" part. You just said "Hits really hard" or something like that. I just applied my "embozoification" embellishment.

The IC beaters are nice, I wish they made a heavier felt than that disc. Tama does have a cylindrical beater though, felt/plastic.
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Old 03-12-2009, 04:36 AM
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I made up the "Hammer of The Gods" part. You just said "Hits really hard" or something like that. I just applied my "embozoification" embellishment.

The IC beaters are nice, I wish they made a heavier felt than that disc. Tama does have a cylindrical beater though, felt/plastic.
I have the same beater but w/ a rubber pad...it's much heaver and punchier - that's always an option. I don't use it because of how heavy it is.
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i have my bigdog beaters which are alright their felt so do the job
played an IC with felt IC beaters quite good

bbut i quite like the dw hardcore use the soft but push the hardcore back in get a good feel
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I cannibalize all my beaters, springs, screws, and other replacement parts from old broken DW pedals.
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I think felt beters fell out of favor with some, especially in the metal genre. They tend to go for the ultra-low mass beaters so that if they twitch, the beater moves more easily. Outside of the constant high-velocity double kick genre, I find those beaters completely inadequate. They slap the kick, and you *really* have to stomp them to get the resultant moderate thump.

The heavier felt really makes a kick sound much deeper.
Many things changed once they started miking up drums. Bass drum beaters is one of them.

I still play felt, and so does my kid, who plays much heavier music.
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Old 03-13-2009, 07:02 PM
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Many things changed once they started miking up drums. Bass drum beaters is one of them.

I still play felt, and so does my kid, who plays much heavier music.
I found that the felt just sounded much better and was easier to get a satisfying low end for recording. I could always play a light beater and later eq or fake the bass. But I like a mic to hear what I am hearing.

I also subscribe to Carmine Appice's logic. He has referred to metal drumming and described how many are light beaters, tippy-tapping 1" from the kick head. He prefers to play *almost* as fast, but with much more power. He still uses felt as well.
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Old 03-13-2009, 10:03 PM
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Well i use a twin pearl eliminator pedal and i've found using the plastic beaters very good to give a machine gun like sound. I add EQ and reverb later on , but i think it stands out very well.
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Old 03-14-2009, 12:56 PM
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On my kit i have 2 bass drums, on my right bass(tuned quite high), i have a double bass pedal with DW stock double sided felt beaters, which i use the felt side of. and on the left bass drum(tuned medium), next to the slave pedal of the double, i have a single bass pedal with a round felt beater, which gives the bass a really nice BOOOOOOM, and the right bass has a nice clicky sound :). felt kicks ass!!! WOOO!!! :D
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