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Old 02-11-2009, 03:30 PM
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Default Aquarian vs Evans muffled bass heads

I'm looking at bass heads Musicians Friend and trying to compare pre-packs.

The Aquarian has a Super Kick I batter and a resonant head, both with their "Floating Muffling System"

Evans has an EQ3 pack or individual EMAD heads.

Both get good reviews, but the Evans are a good $30+ more for the two heads.

Has anyone used both to compare? Any opinions would be much appreciated. I've been away from drumming for a while and haven't bought heads in years.
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Old 02-11-2009, 03:36 PM
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Both will bring out a deep thump.

The Aquarian is slightly more "diffuse" sounding while the evans has a bit more attack.

Both can be dialed in.

If economics is an issue, you won't be disappointed with the less expensive drumhead.

I am looking into attack myself, as some products are much less money. (Like super thin resos--30-40% cheaper than evans).
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Old 02-11-2009, 03:48 PM
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Thanks for the advice. At some point this year I'll most likely be doing new heads all around. From what I'm seeing it looks like Aquarian might be slightly cheaper than Evans across the board, but the user reviews are very good on both.

I'll be replacing some old Remo pinstripes, and the stock bass heads.
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Old 02-11-2009, 04:16 PM
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As I slowly became dissapointed with the sound of my Powersonic head, I am seriously considering trying an aquarian head, whats the loudest, most open Aquarian head for bass?
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Old 02-11-2009, 04:49 PM
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I'm looking at bass heads Musicians Friend and trying to compare pre-packs.

The Aquarian has a Super Kick I batter and a resonant head, both with their "Floating Muffling System"

Evans has an EQ3 pack or individual EMAD heads.

Both get good reviews, but the Evans are a good $30+ more for the two heads.

Has anyone used both to compare? Any opinions would be much appreciated. I've been away from drumming for a while and haven't bought heads in years.
The SKI is a one-ply head with muffling, the EQ3 is a two ply head with a control ring. The SKs sound quite soft and dead to my ears--you may like that--while the EQ3 is a bit more open sounding and perhaps a bit louder. The Evans head that is more comparable to the SKI is the EMAD which, IMO, is a louder and punchier head.

Both are muffled heads, so if you play out unmiked, neither is ideal but will do okay. If you're playing unmiked I'd go for the EMAD, the SKI is just too soft; if miked the SKI will be fine.

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As I slowly became dissapointed with the sound of my Powersonic head, I am seriously considering trying an aquarian head, whats the loudest, most open Aquarian head for bass?
They don't make a loud, open head. They're all muffled to some degree and muffling = softer. That's why they call it muffling.

If you really want loud, stick with a Remo PS3 or Evans EQ4, both are single-ply with a control ring. The control ring takes out the "boing" but leaves a lively open sound. If you play out unmiked these heads are ideal. Tune them a bit higher than you would for a miked bass drum--you want some boooooom for unmiked.
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Old 02-11-2009, 04:56 PM
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As I slowly became dissapointed with the sound of my Powersonic head, I am seriously considering trying an aquarian head, whats the loudest, most open Aquarian head for bass?
To answer briefly to your question, go get an Aquarian Full Force.
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Old 02-11-2009, 05:08 PM
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To answer briefly to your question, go get an Aquarian Full Force.
Ah, thanks for that, mind_drummer, I had forgotten all about that head from Aquarian. That would definitely be on the louder side.
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Old 02-11-2009, 05:09 PM
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The SKI is a one-ply head with muffling, the EQ3 is a two ply head with a control ring. The SKs sound quite soft and dead to my ears--you may like that--.
I think soft is the operative word or aquarian.
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Old 02-11-2009, 05:55 PM
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The SKI is a one-ply head with muffling, the EQ3 is a two ply head with a control ring. The SKs sound quite soft and dead to my ears--you may like that--while the EQ3 is a bit more open sounding and perhaps a bit louder. The Evans head that is more comparable to the SKI is the EMAD which, IMO, is a louder and punchier head.

Both are muffled heads, so if you play out unmiked, neither is ideal but will do okay. If you're playing unmiked I'd go for the EMAD, the SKI is just too soft; if miked the SKI will be fine.
Hmm. Not really planning on miking, just playing for fun but I want to control the ring and get a nice dry thump.


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I think soft is the operative word or aquarian.
Is that for all Aquarian heads, or specifically bass heads?


Also, anyone use the Remo Powerstroke head?
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Old 02-11-2009, 06:59 PM
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Is that for all Aquarian heads, or specifically bass heads?


Also, anyone use the Remo Powerstroke head?
Aquarians have a different collar that extends away from the rim. They are generally warmer and softer sounding than other brands...all heads.

PS/3 is a great kick head. It really is an industry standard. My new kit came equipped with EMAD but for my purposes, PS/3 works just as well.
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Old 02-11-2009, 07:09 PM
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Aquarians have a different collar that extends away from the rim. They are generally warmer and softer sounding than other brands...all heads.

PS/3 is a great kick head. It really is an industry standard. My new kit came equipped with EMAD but for my purposes, PS/3 works just as well.
Cool, thanks.

Just curious, when you say softer - are you talking lower volume, or less definition?
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Old 02-11-2009, 07:26 PM
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Cool, thanks.

Just curious, when you say softer - are you talking lower volume, or less definition?
Mostly less definition. The last experiance I had was a couple months ago. I swapped out an SKI aquarian on a premier cabria kit and replaced it with an EMAD I. The EMAD had the same depth, but significantly better focus and attack.

It was like soft/diffuse and deep vs sharp/focused and deep.

Much like the difference between a felt and a plastic beater.
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Old 02-11-2009, 07:35 PM
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I've tried all three, and, while they're all going to help muffle the bass drum, my favorite is the Remo Powersonic. For me, it seemed to give me the best balance between muffling the ring and preserving some of the overtones.
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Old 02-11-2009, 08:03 PM
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So, what's the main difference between that Powersonic and the Powerstroke heads?

Thanks for answering all these questions, everybody. Trying to catch up on what I've missed and I greatly appreciate it!
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Old 02-11-2009, 08:25 PM
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I'll give Aquarian another vote. I have been using the Super Kick heads for years now. I prefer the SK 1 over the SK 2 . The SK 2 is double ply and to me has a very heavy feel to it. The SK 1 is a single ply head and has more volume, better feel as far I am concerned.
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Old 02-11-2009, 08:28 PM
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I'll give Aquarian another vote. I have been using the Super Kick heads for years now. I prefer the SK 1 over the SK 2 . The SK 2 is double ply and to me has a very heavy feel to it. The SK 1 is a single ply head and has more volume, better feel as far I am concerned.
Yeah, I like the ski better than II. I really don't like or use any 2-ply kick drum heads.
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Old 02-11-2009, 08:35 PM
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Yeah, I like the ski better than II. I really don't like or use any 2-ply kick drum heads.
To me, the SK 2 feels like you really have to lay into it more so than a single ply. It's not so bad on my 26 but I definitly don't like it on my 22.
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Old 02-11-2009, 08:48 PM
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To me, the SK 2 feels like you really have to lay into it more so than a single ply. It's not so bad on my 26 but I definitly don't like it on my 22.
The 22 has so much less surface area. A 2 ply on a 22" is really damped. A 2-ply on the smaller head is almost like making the 26" a 3-ply for the same effect.

I have yet to find a depth that I can't get from a 1 ply, and they are punchier, more responsive and louder.
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Old 02-11-2009, 08:52 PM
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It sounds like any of the three (Aquarian SK, EMAD, or PS3) will give me a good sound and be a huge upgrade over the old stock heads. I'm trying to control the sound and keep from spreading all over the house as much as possible.

I keep going back and forth between them, so who knows what I'll end up with. Although the Aquarian's are mighty attractive at $52.52 for both in a pack.
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Old 02-11-2009, 09:15 PM
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I used all 3 at one time or another. I had the SK2 on a set of Pearl masters MMX 4ply maple with nothing inside the drum and the drum was a cannon, however the SK2 on my Yamaha Oaks or Yamaha Absolute maple and the SK2 sounds very dull, no life and a lack of punch. I now use the Evans EMAD single ply and it sounds great, nice bottom end and good punch to it. The Remo PS3 is a good head too, for my kits it sounded a bit brighter but lacked in depth. I tune the batter head about .25 above wrinkle and the reso maybe a bit tighter. I also use the Evans pillow inside the drum just touching the batter head,

You need to experiment a bit.
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So, what's the main difference between that Powersonic and the Powerstroke heads?

Thanks for answering all these questions, everybody. Trying to catch up on what I've missed and I greatly appreciate it!
According to Remo, the Powerstroke 3 "features a thin underlay at the outer edge of the head to subtly dampen unwanted overtones." It's similar to the concept of Pinstripes. The Powersonic has more muffling, with two fixed foam rings inside the head, and a pad on the bottom that you can snap on or off depending on your preference. I always left it on.
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Old 02-12-2009, 06:29 AM
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Just a quick heads up since I don't know if the word has spread yet...but we (at Evans) just launched a new version of the EMAD called the GMAD. It uses the 12mil film from the G Plus to create a slightly thicker version of the original EMAD. For those that prefer a single-ply bass head, but might want more punch, low-end, durability, and a slightly firmer feel... but without sacrificing depth...this might be an option worth considering.

It also incorporates an improved version of the EMAD ring...a slight design change that permanently fixes the cracking issue that some players have experienced.

Just thought you'd all like to know about the new option...

Great forum BTW...everyone seems really helpful.

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Old 02-12-2009, 01:55 PM
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Hmm. Not really planning on miking, just playing for fun but I want to control the ring and get a nice dry thump.
If you're talking about the sound in your practice room, you can use anything that pleases you. And a "nice dry thump" will be suitable for miking. However, if you play out unmiked with anything louder than a jazz trio, "a nice dry thump" will never be heard from the audience. To cut through a band unmiked you need booooom. Which is to say, sustain.

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I've tried all three, and, while they're all going to help muffle the bass drum, my favorite is the Remo Powersonic. For me, it seemed to give me the best balance between muffling the ring and preserving some of the overtones.
To my ears, this is the softest, deadest bass drum head I've ever heard, even softer than the Aquarians. Perfect for triggering, I suppose. To each his own, of course, but to spend good money for tone and then muffle it up to the point where there isn't any seems, well, odd.
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Old 02-12-2009, 02:00 PM
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Just a quick heads up since I don't know if the word has spread yet...but we (at Evans) just launched a new version of the EMAD called the GMAD. It uses the 12mil film from the G Plus to create a slightly thicker version of the original EMAD. For those that prefer a single-ply bass head, but might want more punch, low-end, durability, and a slightly firmer feel... but without sacrificing depth...this might be an option worth considering.

It also incorporates an improved version of the EMAD ring...a slight design change that permanently fixes the cracking issue that some players have experienced.

Just thought you'd all like to know about the new option...

Great forum BTW...everyone seems really helpful.

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Thanks for that, Mike. Buncha questions:

Will Evans make it available without the EMAD ring? Got no use for that, but intrigued by a thicker one-ply head.

Might Evans ever offer the EC1, EC2, and G-plus with a real sprayed-on coating? The frosty "coating" is slappy and plasticky sounding to my ears, and doesn't add the warmth you expect from a coating--just dullness. All of the above heads are vastly superior in their clear versions. If you offered the G-plus with a real coating I'd be all over them.

Finally, when does the EC-bass come out? ;-)
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Old 02-12-2009, 02:36 PM
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Just a quick heads up since I don't know if the word has spread yet...but we (at Evans) just launched a new version of the EMAD called the GMAD. It uses the 12mil film from the G Plus to create a slightly thicker version of the original EMAD. For those that prefer a single-ply bass head, but might want more punch, low-end, durability, and a slightly firmer feel... but without sacrificing depth...this might be an option worth considering.

It also incorporates an improved version of the EMAD ring...a slight design change that permanently fixes the cracking issue that some players have experienced.

Just thought you'd all like to know about the new option...

Great forum BTW...everyone seems really helpful.

Thanks,
Mike Robinson
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Good to know. This sounds pretty good, no? A lot of people have been suggesting the EMAD, but I've also read about the ring cracking. Plus, I like the idea of a firmer feel but with a lower tone.

I'll have to check this out.
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While you are here. Can you please bring back the open/closed bright/dark drumhead matrix on your website?

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Just a quick heads up since I don't know if the word has spread yet...but we (at Evans) just launched a new version of the EMAD called the GMAD. It uses the 12mil film from the G Plus to create a slightly thicker version of the original EMAD. For those that prefer a single-ply bass head, but might want more punch, low-end, durability, and a slightly firmer feel... but without sacrificing depth...this might be an option worth considering.

It also incorporates an improved version of the EMAD ring...a slight design change that permanently fixes the cracking issue that some players have experienced.

Just thought you'd all like to know about the new option...

Great forum BTW...everyone seems really helpful.

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While you are here. Can you please bring back the open/closed bright/dark drumhead matrix on your website?

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Old 02-13-2009, 07:51 AM
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We're thinking about doing a G Plus bass head...we'll see. Not sure what the demand would be, but we're open to the idea. As for the coating issue...the frosted is exactly the same chemistry and application technique as the standard white coating. The only difference is the lack of titanium dioxide (the white). We've done comparitive testing and there's really no difference in sound between the two...it's just a cosmetic difference. It's interesting to know that people think there's a difference though...perceptions are not to be underestimated in this business.

As for the removal of the Sound Spectrum Charts when we launched the new website...we realize that people really liked those, but we have something coming that's even easier. The basic site relaunch was just phase 1...we're working on other things and we'll have new charts up as soon as we can.

We really appreciate the honest feedback...on all fronts. It helps us to know what people are really thinking...and I appreciate the positive sentiments toward Evans. I've been doing this gig for almost 12 years now...so it's pretty close to my heart.

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As for the coating issue...the frosted is exactly the same chemistry and application technique as the standard white coating. The only difference is the lack of titanium dioxide (the white). We've done comparitive testing and there's really no difference in sound between the two...it's just a cosmetic difference. Thanks,

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I have said this before but........... I Much prefer the coating without the TIo2.
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