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Old 12-22-2005, 05:34 PM
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I think that Vinnie does shine a bit brighter than Weckl or Gadd. You can also tell by the audience response who THEY fell "came out on top".

I'm listening to it now. I think my employees get tired of listening to drum solos. They don't get it. :D

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Jarek... what are you saying? Actually a very good video; I thought they all performed admirably. That last groove section sent shivers down my spine.
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Old 12-24-2005, 07:34 PM
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Haha, I think Gadd owns that video. I'm a big fan of all three drummers, but just as far as meaning every note you play and playing with complete flowing passion, Gadd wins. Everything he does is so convicted and awesome. With Weckl and even Vinnie a bit, I can't help but think they're playing patterns sometimes, although I love both. Gadd takes it to a new level.
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Old 12-24-2005, 09:33 PM
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Haha, I think Gadd owns that video. I'm a big fan of all three drummers, but just as far as meaning every note you play and playing with complete flowing passion, Gadd wins. Everything he does is so convicted and awesome. With Weckl and even Vinnie a bit, I can't help but think they're playing patterns sometimes, although I love both. Gadd takes it to a new level.
Agreed, this is why they left Steve's solo for last, as to set the theme for all three to trade 4's around (part 2 of video). Starting his solo with his "crazy army" variation Steve sounds like a full drum corps. He always makes his marching snare beats sound like there is more then one guy playing. Then his bass drum kicks in and it sounds like he's dropping bombs, followed by the hi-hat splashes reminiscent of the cymbal players (brilliant) Next, Steve sets the "theme" in which all three will start to trade 4's around by playing his own adaptation of the Mozambique groove (pure genius)
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Old 12-26-2005, 05:41 AM
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I checked out some clips from "The System Has Failed" and what I find most interesting is that Vinnie, a born-again, is playing on an album that seems to be bashint Bush. Very interesting.
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Old 12-26-2005, 06:32 AM
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I checked out some clips from "The System Has Failed" and what I find most interesting is that Vinnie, a born-again, is playing on an album that seems to be bashint Bush. Very interesting.
I didn't know Christianity is a prerequisite for unrequited love towards the right wing. :)
I might add, a paycheck is also more rewarding than not selling out personal ideals which aren't even that worthwhile anyways.
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Old 12-26-2005, 06:43 AM
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Sting's gig was no easy gig - Vinnie just makes it look easy. Granted, it wasn't flashy and he wasn't doing upside-down drum solos, but it's hard work to play with that much discipline. Go ahead and play "Seven Days" and try to play 4/4 in your right hand and 7/4 in your left. It's not easy.

Sting covered Purple Haze on one of the tours I saw and Vinnie tore it up. They played some old Police tunes as well and it rocked hard.

The thing I like about Vinnie is that it appears so effortless. There is no wasted movement.
hmm... i could have sworn that song was in 5/8?

but yes, his playing on that is monstrous. not only does he make it feel like a normal time signature, but he also is so comfortable in it that he can play it just like it was a normal time signature, with all his subtle (and not-so-subtle) vinnie tricks (modulation, displacement, hemiola accent patterns, etc.)

what a ridiculous monster he is.
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Old 12-27-2005, 05:26 PM
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You're right. I'm wrong. I was thinking of St. Augstine in Hell - which is the 4/4 over 7/4. I get looped when I see the word "seven" in the title. "Oh yea, play on words and the tune is in 7."

You're also right in his playing. It's so frickin' subtle yet so amazing. Would I have ever thought of playing a 4/4 pattern in my right hand and a 5/4 or 7/4 pattern in my right? It's so unnatural but when he plays it, it's SO natural that you don't even notice it until someone points it out. And the groove is just so solid. I remember when I first figured it out and went "Duh, that's too easy." Then I sat down and tried to do it. Good God.

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hmm... i could have sworn that song was in 5/8?

but yes, his playing on that is monstrous. not only does he make it feel like a normal time signature, but he also is so comfortable in it that he can play it just like it was a normal time signature, with all his subtle (and not-so-subtle) vinnie tricks (modulation, displacement, hemiola accent patterns, etc.)

what a ridiculous monster he is.
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Old 12-27-2005, 05:31 PM
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You're right. I'm wrong. I was thinking of St. Augstine in Hell - which is the 4/4 over 7/4. I get looped when I see the word "seven" in the title. "Oh yea, play on words and the tune is in 7."

You're also right in his playing. It's so frickin' subtle yet so amazing. Would I have ever thought of playing a 4/4 pattern in my right hand and a 5/4 or 7/4 pattern in my right? It's so unnatural but when he plays it, it's SO natural that you don't even notice it until someone points it out. And the groove is just so solid. I remember when I first figured it out and went "Duh, that's too easy." Then I sat down and tried to do it. Good God.
exactly. that's the insanity of vinnie. hahahahaha i love it. just like gadd, he can be so loose and easy while doing the weirdest thing in the world. music never suffers even when he's pushing the limits of time and everything normal. he is absolutely amazing.
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Old 12-27-2005, 05:33 PM
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Lead Drumming and Rhythm Drumming.....I love it. I'm gonna use it.

For me, I've always been a rock steady rhythm drummer with a few Lead tricks (but not enough to constantly solo all night).

My ONLY complaint about Vinnie is that I've never been a big fan of his extremely difficult polyrhythms for difficulty sake. Seems like sometimes, he's just playing math games with the music (that song Tweaked and his commentary on it on a MD Festival DVD says it all).

The drumming for Megadeath was kinda boring, for metal drumming, but I agree about the Kick the Chair riff...cool.

I saw him on TV with Faith Hill. Perfect Rhythm drumming ;-)
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Old 12-27-2005, 09:00 PM
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I LOVE Vinnie. Everything he plays just keeps you on your toes. he never holds anything back in his playing and it just sounds amazing. I love watching the old videos of him and then the new ones. Its so cool to be able to pick out his chops then see how hes progressed as a drummer and musician.
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Old 12-28-2005, 08:20 PM
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Hahahahaha... I know what you're talking about. He explains what's going on with these tunes and the only thing that comes to mind is "WTF, where do you come up with this stuff?!?".

I remember the Zildjian Day in Boston from roughly 20 years ago and he's talking about Zappa's "Keep it Greasy". I'm not sure if he's even still talking about "Keep it Greasy" but he starts talking about polyrhythms and "how the tune is 19/16 and then you simply carry it over the bar line to the..." and the audience is silent because nobody gets it.

It's so natural to him that he expects us to understand it without a problem.

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My ONLY complaint about Vinnie is that I've never been a big fan of his extremely difficult polyrhythms for difficulty sake. Seems like sometimes, he's just playing math games with the music (that song Tweaked and his commentary on it on a MD Festival DVD says it all).
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Old 12-29-2005, 01:09 PM
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Vinnie just thinks on different level. He has a different perception of groove, time, phrasing, subdivisions ... everything. I'll never understand all of what he's doing, and I don't think I'll ever understand a tiny fraction of it. Although it's rewarding and great fun trying to think like him. Most mortal drummers see a bar of 4/4 and play a fill. Something nice and simple, maybe a combination of sixteenth notes and eight notes, with some double kick thrown in. Vinnie will subdivide into 16th notes, and play the most sick, out there phrasing imaginable. Monster.

Lang was bought up earlier in the thread. I like him a lot, one of my favourites at the moment. Although he's only innovating on a physical level; exploring what can be done with the limbs. Vinnie explored on a much higher level than everyone else. The way he approaches the kit and a song is just completely out there. And he can play anything. He puts a lot (not all) of metal drummers to shame with Megadeth. It's amazing that he can just slip into playing that music that easily, and then slip out again into playing fusion or traditional jazz.

Vinnie's work with Zappa ...... end of thread!
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Old 03-12-2006, 06:46 PM
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Anyone seen this Vinnie solo? Looks like it's from the same concert as the clip they had over at HouseofDrumming, but this one's much better quality...and obviously totally insane.

http://media.putfile.com/vinniesolo
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Old 03-12-2006, 10:11 PM
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He managed to hit that big china cymbal at least.

Yea. Classic Vinnie.
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Old 03-13-2006, 12:15 AM
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Yeah I've gotta say, that old Houseofdrumming site has really been smartened up recently, and there's some great stuff in the forum (that's where I got the link for that clip from). There's also some proper respect being paid to Jeff over there :)
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Old 03-16-2006, 01:52 PM
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Any Vinnie fans out there? You should take a listen to the new Brian Bromberg CD called "Wood II". He gives Vinnie plenty of chances to shred. "Bolivia" is a must listen fan for all Vinnie fans!
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Old 03-17-2006, 08:02 AM
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He is the most creative drummer I have ever listened to.

Some people have said that he isn't a very fun guy, but neither were Bruce Lee, Buddy Rich, or Mohammed Ali, apparently. People like that are far more interested in the mastery of their skill than being nice people. But having said that, I'd prefer to be a nice person and an average musician than a God with an ego problem.

Actually... that's a lie, I'd give anything to play like Vinnie, including my personality!

He is unbelievable. A total genius IMO.
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Old 03-20-2006, 05:36 PM
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Check out this article from his site:
http://www.vinniecolaiuta.com/articl...agazine03.aspx
Especially Steve Vai's take on him and his on Tweaked are interesting.

Regarding the Gadd/Weckl/Colaiuta battle, every time I watch that video I think Gadd lays down the groove, Weckl adds his special effects, and Colaiuta provides the incomprehensible fills.
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Old 03-23-2006, 11:32 AM
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I guess my only problem is the fact that some of the people that post here can comment about his personality. Do you guys know him personally or have you met him and had dinner or a drink with him.

If you guys play regularly don't you know what it's like to finish show and be tierd and have people come up to you and want to ask questions that you really don't want to answer. I am sure that I at times have come across as not being the best person, like anybody else would.


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Old 04-06-2006, 10:55 PM
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For those of you that haven't seen (or heard) Tweaked, it's a real treat. Just wait for the end:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=451YZMwYpQk
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Old 04-07-2006, 12:22 AM
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Oh, the tune where he's in 15/16 or 19/20 or whatever it is.
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Old 04-07-2006, 02:57 AM
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Just finished d/ling the Michael Landau Baked Potato dvd and got the Unreel Drumming book through the post - approaching Vinnie overload
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Old 04-26-2006, 12:13 AM
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I like her playing and i love her tunning.Gretsch is amazing and unique.Zildjian a is the best choice for fusion i think.
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Old 04-26-2006, 12:18 AM
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I like her playing and i love her tunning.
Yes, I love her playing also!

But I'm thinking maybe her hair is too short...
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Old 04-26-2006, 12:33 AM
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Vinnie is the most amazing most versitle drummer I have ever seen. He can play anything with such great feel. That left hand is PERFECT! Not to mention the way he hits that left hand china. I'll never get over that.
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Old 04-26-2006, 12:35 AM
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her playing? who? what's going on
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Old 04-26-2006, 12:37 AM
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Lol that was just a joke. At least I know my own post was. I don't know about Cagil.
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Old 05-01-2006, 11:44 AM
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Listen to his drumming in the Sting song "Seven Days" awesom stuff :D
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Old 05-01-2006, 03:04 PM
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=EtkCLvJUB...ch=colaiuta%20

Oh man....Oh MAN. I've never seen Vinnie playing this kind of feel before. Very tasty. Paulinho da Costa's not bad either ;)

This is a great example of hand independence over foot ostinatos being used truly musically.
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Old 05-01-2006, 03:13 PM
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i don't like him as a person as i have seen him live with sting and also in several interviews but then again as a drummer i love him. look at the drum battle beteween him, wekl and gadd on the videos section of drummerworld. he holds his own very well with those two giants. you got to hand it to him, he steals a show.
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Vinnie, being an outspoken BAC, I would think you did like him as a person. I've seen him in clinic (not to get the ear full of Jesus that I got). In addition, he's highly educated and very intelligent and articulate.

PS: Can you fix the spelling of his name "Colaiuta" not Colauita.
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Old 05-01-2006, 03:29 PM
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he holds his own very well with those two giants.
J - is this is a serious comment?
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Old 05-11-2006, 06:52 PM
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First I'll be honest - although I know hes an incredible drummer I've never really been a big fan of the guy...not really into Zappa and how everyone says he stole the show on the BR tribute not really seein that....Just look at my sig and you know who I look up too...

Anywayz has anyone hear heard that clinic posted on houseofdrumming.com....
What the heck is he doing....I mean there's some serious chops goin on there....

Its sounds like a "Soul Vaccination" lick but is it in odd meter?
And his hand/foot fills especially at the 5 min mark? I can't recognize the change of speeds...is he doin 5's and 7's?

Anyone here that has broken him down please explain his specialties...
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Just look at my sig and you know who I look up too...
Wait, are you saying Vinnie doesnt sound good, just looks cool. I mean he does look totally awesome, check out those glasses on the BR tribute video. ha ha ha.
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Old 05-12-2006, 02:56 AM
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Wait, are you saying Vinnie doesnt sound good, just looks cool. I mean he does look totally awesome, check out those glasses on the BR tribute video. ha ha ha.
LOL....
Also did hear the comment he made like something about being from New York and he should get the most applause...

I don't know he just kind of comes across as real cocky...I know you have to be confident to be good but...either way it doesn't matter cause I just want to start breakin down some of his licks and since he doesn't have a DVD or book - I'm Lost!
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Old 05-12-2006, 07:30 AM
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...either way it doesn't matter cause I just want to start breakin down some of his licks and since he doesn't have a DVD or book - I'm Lost!
You should check out the UnReel book, he has a whole bunch of licks transcribed in there. Crazy stuff. Also, the latest issue of Drum! has a whole bunch of transcriptions as well.
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Old 05-15-2006, 05:21 PM
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You should check out the UnReel book, he has a whole bunch of licks transcribed in there. Crazy stuff. Also, the latest issue of Drum! has a whole bunch of transcriptions as well.
Thanks for the info....

Someone PM-ed me a link about that book...I didn't know someone else had broken down some of his licks cause he certainly doesn't put out any info for some reason...

Kinda of wierd cause Weckl is not afraid to show you everything he does....from what I've heard the book ain't easy but I'll check it out......
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Old 05-15-2006, 05:29 PM
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There is a website DRUMMERWORLD - and there in the Clinic-Section:

Vinnie Colaiuta - Unreel book - sample - several speeds, notation:


http://www.drummerworld.com/Clinic/Vinnie_Colaiuta.html


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Old 05-16-2006, 04:52 AM
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LOL....
Also did hear the comment he made like something about being from New York...
Isnt he from Pennsylvania? I had always thought that.
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Kinda of wierd cause Weckl is not afraid to show you everything he does....from what I've heard the book ain't easy but I'll check it out......
I think that's because Weckl seems to have a more definite vocabulary and knows what he can do. I think Vinnie is more the guy that just swings his arms and whatever he thinks pretty much comes out!
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One of my fav. drummers! I love playing "Love is stronger than Justice". I'm pretty sure it's Vinnie. Weird thing is, my drum teacher has never heard of him, good teacher though.
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