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Old 11-04-2008, 02:48 AM
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My hi-hats are too high, as I've recently noticed. I'm bending my arms weird just to play on them. It's strange, though, because I can't seem to find out how to lower (or raise) them!

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That's what I have...does anyone know what to do?

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Old 11-04-2008, 03:19 AM
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Loosen the clamp and memory lock in the middle of the stand and lower it
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Old 11-04-2008, 03:26 AM
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Loosen the clamp and memory lock in the middle of the stand and lower it
Yes, and if that doesn't work, you'll have to find a new high hat stand. I have an old Ludwig stand that doesn't drop below a certain height, which is just at my playing level, fortunately. The height seems high for the lowest possible setting of a high hat stand...
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This sucks, I just found out it can go higher, but not lower. Can anyone recommend a super-low hi-hat stand?
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Old 11-04-2008, 06:00 AM
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Remove the upper tube (smaller diameter) and cut it down with a hacksaw. Reinstall into the lower tube (larger diameter). Best to start slow. Take an inch or two off, and see where you are, heightwise. Best to always take too little off on your first cut, than too much.
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Remove the upper tube (smaller diameter) and cut it down with a hacksaw. Reinstall into the lower tube (larger diameter). Best to start slow. Take an inch or two off, and see where you are, heightwise. Best to always take too little off on your first cut, than too much.
Woah, thanks so much! I'm gonna ask my dad to help me with that today (we have off school for election day, how lucky are we?).
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Are you sure you removed the memory lock? I'm having a hard time believing a new hi-hat stand can't go lower than the snare drum.
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Old 11-04-2008, 02:27 PM
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don't cut anything yet. It may not be the tube length. A lot of the time it is the coupling that joins the two threaded shafts hitting the bottom cymbal seat. Be sure before you cut.

Also is the high how you already play or are you experimenting? if you get to low there unless you play open handed there is not enough room between your hands to play. You need some hight.
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Are you sure you removed the memory lock? I'm having a hard time believing a new hi-hat stand can't go lower than the snare drum.
I'm having a hard time believing that too, but I'm SURE the memory lock was as loose as can be. I can raise it up, but not down.

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don't cut anything yet. It may not be the tube length. A lot of the time it is the coupling that joins the two threaded shafts hitting the bottom cymbal seat. Be sure before you cut.

Also is the high how you already play or are you experimenting? if you get to low there unless you play open handed there is not enough room between your hands to play. You need some hight.
What is the "coupling that joins the two threaded shafts hitting the bottom cymbal seat?" I don't quite understand.

I know I need to do that, but I actually play open handed AND crossed, and I also do lots of rolls and stuff on the hi hat, so I need it just a tad lower so it doesn't look and feel so awkward.
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I'm having a hard time believing that too, but I'm SURE the memory lock was as loose as can be. I can raise it up, but not down.

LOL, there's the problem. The clamp that loosens and tightens isn't your memory lock. There is another piece just below that. If you loosen the bolt on it, it should slide down the lower tube, allowing you to lower the rest of the hi-hat. That's how I imagine yours works, could be different.
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Old 11-04-2008, 02:56 PM
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in most hi-hat stands the shaft the runs up the middle inside the tube is two pieces joined by a threaded coupling. if you lower the tube to the point where this coupling is hitting the bottom of the piece of the stand that holds the bottom cymbal you will have an issue.

I actually have a very old DW5000 stand where this is the case. Fortunately for me I prefer a hight that is just above this point so I am ok.

Just take it apart, check everything out before you make a permanent change. It may not be the right stand for you. If you cut it you may have a hard time returning or selling it.
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LOL, there's the problem. The clamp that loosens and tightens isn't your memory lock. There is another piece just below that. If you loosen the bolt on it, it should slide down the lower tube, allowing you to lower the rest of the hi-hat. That's how I imagine yours works, could be different.
Fine, you're asking for pictures...Everything's as loose as can be. The memory lock, and the little spinny thingy.



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It's not clear whether the OP has actually lowered the stand as far as it will go. Silly, but worth checking:

1. loosen the memory lock and slide it up out of the way
2. loosen the wing nut that actually holds the inner tube and see if the tube will go lower.

If it is actually as low as it can go--and still too high--then I'd say cut the inner tube, unless it's brand new and returnable.

If you only need a couple of more inches lower, then go ahead and cut that amount plus one inch. The chances are pretty good that it will work. (Unless it causes the inner rod coupling to hit. You should be able to tell if it will once you withdraw the inner tube.)

I wouldn't worry about resale value, it will probably go high enough for others even when cut, and it's only a $62 hihat after all.
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Old 11-04-2008, 03:40 PM
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It's not clear whether the OP has actually lowered the stand as far as it will go. Silly, but worth checking:

1. loosen the memory lock and slide it up out of the way
2. loosen the wing nut that actually holds the inner tube and see if the tube will go lower.

If it is actually as low as it can go--and still too high--then I'd say cut the inner tube, unless it's brand new and returnable.

If you only need a couple of more inches lower, then go ahead and cut that amount plus one inch. The chances are pretty good that it will work. (Unless it causes the inner rod coupling to hit. You should be able to tell if it will once you withdraw the inner tube.)

I wouldn't worry about resale value, it will probably go high enough for others even when cut, and it's only a $62 hihat after all.
Actually, it came with my drumset, which is a couple months old, so I don't *think* I can return it.

I think I'm gonna have to cut it. Everything (EVERYTHING) is as loose as can be.
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You did this? And it still doesn't work?
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You did this? And it still doesn't work?
Yes, that's exactly what I did. I can even take the memory lock off, like, remove it completely, and still won't go down. I don't think there's any room near the bottom of the hi-hat stand for it to even GO down.
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Old 11-04-2008, 05:32 PM
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Post a pic so we can see how high the stand is.
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Old 11-04-2008, 06:13 PM
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That should not be the lowest that stand goes.

Before you cut the center tube, go to the shop with YOUR stand and see if they have a another one like it.

If they do, see if it goes lower than yours.

I can't believe the center tube is that long where it won't go lower with the Memory Lock OFF the tube.

Yours might be defective, or have a super long tube that no one caught.

Cutting the center tube WILL drop the height though.

I cut just some of the tube on an older DW 5000 hat stand for my son (he was 5 when I cut it), and it goes almost all the way down to the height adjustment bracket, and it would sit flush with it if I cut another 1/2 inch.

It still goes high enough that he can use the stand forever, or until it breaks or something--then he can buy his own!
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Well until you get if fixed or a New Hi-hat stand
you can raise your throne to compensate :^)
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That should not be the lowest that stand goes.

Before you cut the center tube, go to the shop with YOUR stand and see if they have a another one like it.

If they do, see if it goes lower than yours.

I can't believe the center tube is that long where it won't go lower with the Memory Lock OFF the tube.

Yours might be defective, or have a super long tube that no one caught.
Hmmm...does this look like it's too long?

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Well until you get if fixed or a New Hi-hat stand
you can raise your throne to compensate :^)
I have to get this one fixed. I don't have the money or need for a new hi-hat stand.
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I cut just some of the tube on an older DW 5000 hat stand for my son (he was 5 when I cut it)
Do you buy DW stuff for your 5 year old son?
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To the OP.

How short are you?

I ask this, because I consider myself short [ 5' 5" ] and I have never had a problem with hi hat stands.

Anyway, I guess your only option is to cut it.

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You could just cut an inch or two from the bottom of the top tube.
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Yeah, I dunno. I'm like 5' 2" or 5' 3" or something. I'' figure something out. Thanks for the help guys!
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it looks like you can get away with cutting it. See the threaded coupling I was talking about? My suggestion is to cut the minimum you need to.

You may decide to go higher at some point or even sell it.

Also if you have a tubing cutter it will be cleaner then a hack saw
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805---
I know you are holding the tube away from the base of the stand, but it looks like you could cut about 2-3" off the tube easily and it would go down farther.

I think the center tube is just too long, and it bottoms out where the legs of the stand attach (above the outer foot board stuff).

I would say put it next to the base, and measure & mark where you want it to sit.
Then give it another inch of clearance and cut the tube.

another way to measure where you want the height to be is to take a yard stick and put your hand where it's comfortable (sitting in playing position) and measure how high your stick is.
Then make your measurements from that.

It's probably only a couple inches lower.

A real good tool to have is a tube cutter.
They are pretty inexpensive, and you don't need a vice and a hacksaw--and it makes clean cuts with no mess.
A little cutting fluid makes it easier, and that stuff is real cheap too.
You can get both at a local hardware store.

Good luck.


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My son has hardware on his kit that I don't use anymore (like the 5000 hat stand and some older DW & Ludwig stands).

If I was buying him hardware, it would NOT be the expensive heavy duty DW stuff (!!), but I would get him gear that would last years.

He had some $29 GC stands when he first started, and the POS hat stand that came with the kit for a bit, but I put a good hat stand up for him.

You can't learn if your gear is working against you, and the other one just wouldn't go up and down, and the foot board got mangled because it was so cheap.

He stole my (then) favorite pedal for his kit when he was 2 1/2...my old faithful 5000 strap drive......mostly because it has the red plate, but it's a light feel and he works it real well, so I let him use it.

Besides, YOU try and get a piece of gear away from a little kid that they really want--and then live with them haha!

I got the Pearl Eliminator and I like it better, so it worked out...but one day, I'll get it back!!
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Funny story: The footplate on your stand is identical to the one on mine (Ludwig Accent Custom) which also happens to be to tall for me.

I've dealt with it over the last 2 years (debated cutting it) and I'm alright with it now, but I tend to sit a bit higher.

If you cut it, make sure it's parallel with the bottom edge, if you cut it a little bit crooked it might mean that the hats don't ever sit completely flat.
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Funny story: The footplate on your stand is identical to the one on mine (Ludwig Accent Custom) which also happens to be to tall for me.

I've dealt with it over the last 2 years (debated cutting it) and I'm alright with it now, but I tend to sit a bit higher.

If you cut it, make sure it's parallel with the bottom edge, if you cut it a little bit crooked it might mean that the hats don't ever sit completely flat.
Actually, I'm not gonna cut it, I've decided. I raised all my drums a bit, then I raised my throne so everything is proportionate. When I get a new drum set in a couple months (yes, a new drum set), I'll have a new hi-hat stand.
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My experience in attempting to modify HiHat stands to enable a lower cymbal playing level.

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It appears that the current design of HiHat stands overlooks the fact that not only juveniles, but adults too have a variety of reasons for wanting lower minimum set up heights. Would it be too much to ask that stands be designed to accommodate this without prejudicing those who may need perform standing, standing observably being the exception rather than the rule.

Excluding the much older plain flat footed HiHat stands, in my experience the only Hi Hat stand that I have found that can be set to the minimum height that I need, around 57.5 centimetres, (approx. 22.6”), from floor to the top of the actuating rod encompassing lower tube, is an old Pearl stand on which I cannot find a model number. It has an effective footplate spring tension adjuster, but lacks the capability of rotating the pedal relative to the stand feet. It was not necessary to replace the existing cymbal carrier tube, but I shortened the screw in top half of the cymbal actuating rod for reasons explained below.

My need for a lower than normal current model HiHat stand arises from the fact that for me the playing height for my 2 BD and planned 2 HiHat setup depends on the seating height that gives me the best BD foot pedal height for playing my 2 lightly sprung Ludwig Speed King Pedals. Having established the seating height, the snare drum height is set and then the high hats when closed around level with the snare drum so as to permit stick crossing at the same level. The cymbal lifting rods that usually protrude uselessly and inconveniently far above the tops of the cymbals, are shortened to about 6 centimetres, (approx 2.35”), above the top cymbal to keep them from obstructing stick movement between HiHats, drums and other cymbals, opportunities that are unfettered if the drummer does not cross arms when playing HiHats and backbeats etc. on the snare.
Attempting a height lowering modification of current model HiHats.

Having worked out what I thought needed to be done I bought a Ludwig L316HH and a Yamaha HS-740A HiHat stand. That is, until doing a final check of measurements I realised that as mentioned above, the limiting factor is not overcome by shortening cymbal carrier tube if the floor height to top of the lower cymbal actuating rod and cymbal carrier tube containing tube is too long, typically 65.0 or 70.0 centiimetres.

But suppose that you have a HiHat stand that sets down to the critical height that you want and you decide to shorten the cymbal carrier tube. If you decide to retain the original and replace it with a piece of tube then it is necessary to ensure that the plastic cymbal mount on the original can be removed, if not then an original tube will need to be shortened. Choosing the metal of a replacement tube you may consider chrome plated steel, but as has been pointed out by others cutting a chrome plated tube needs a tube cutter to ensure a square cut and minimising chrome flaking. Alternatives include polished stainless steel, brass and copper and bright steel or mild steel though these latter two may rust, or high strength PVC piping. Brass and copper may need polishing from time to time as both corrode and especially if touching steel, potentially through electrolysis. As I found when sourcing polished 7/8” stainless steel tube for the HS-740A, replacement tubing needed to be exactly concentric as measured with a professional quality Vernier gauge. Typical of Yamaha’s renowned engineering standards their original tube was perfectly concentric and to specified size. The polished marine grade stainless steel tube railing that I bought was thin walled and measurably eccentric and could not be inserted into the mating lower tube. I would assume that this would be an issue for other good quality HiHat stands.

Need I say, there may be a ways to readily modify modern design HiHat stands to sit lower and achieve lower playing heights, and of which I am unaware.

I hope that this helps but don’t hesitate to ask if you have any questions.

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