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Old 01-22-2008, 01:11 AM
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Default My "little" kit!

I got this is idea a little bit ago. I saw Paul McCartney's drummer Abe Laboriel Jr playing a big kit, even though it's a 4-piece, he looked big behind it, even though he uses big drums and big cymbals.

So I decided to use this idea, but backwards -- I use small drums and cymbals, but it still has a huge sound.

It kinda gives a jungle kit type of sound. I really like it. If I were playing a d'n'b or electronic gig, I would use a kit similar to this. The focal point is the kick, a 16"x16" Export 2000 FT converted.

Specs first then pics:

Drums:
Pearl Export Series 2000 and 2005 series. Poplar shells.
A. 16"x16" Export FT converted to kick
B. 8"x7" Export RT
C. 13"x10" Export RT as FT
D. 10"x5" Firecracker SD

Cymbals:
1. 10" Meinl Classics Medium mini hats
2. 12" Zildjian A Custom Splash (as crash)
3. 6" Zildjian A Zildjian Splash
4. 17" Zildjian A Custom Medium Crash (as crash/ride)
5. 12" Meinl Filter China

Heads:
Toms: Remo Clear Emperor Batter/Remo Clear Diplomat Resonant
Snare: Remo Coated Ambassador Batter/ Remo Snare Side Ambassador
Kick: Remo Clear Powerstroke 3 Batter/ Remo Ebony Ambassador Resonant

Hardware:
Pearl
Yamaha SD Stand
PDP Throne

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As you can see from the last few pics, I look big behind it. I'm 5'10" 215 lbs as of the photos taken, and I look massive. If you have any questions or comments post 'em, and I'll respond right on the thread.

Thanks for looking.
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Old 01-22-2008, 01:17 AM
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Nice tight "little" kit. Looks like fun.
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Old 01-22-2008, 01:21 AM
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Default Re: My "little" kit!

Great idea, I'm working on a small kit myself (Have been for a while, kind of stuck between a few things). How much low end can you get from a the 16" bass? I'm assuming its square size helps a bit. Also, aren't you cold? It looks freezing in those pictures.
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Old 01-22-2008, 03:26 AM
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Default Re: My "little" kit!

That's a cool concept but I think you should compact everything even more. Although you'd have to sit pretty low if you packed everything together tightly, it would sure look cool. Which is what you're going for, right?
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Old 01-22-2008, 06:32 AM
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I'm very interested on how those hats sound

10 inches!
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Old 01-22-2008, 07:08 AM
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Default Re: My "little" kit!

That kit looks great. And must be fun to play. I've been thinking of doing something similar and always get stuck on the "perfect" sizes for a compact jungle kit.

I'd also like to know if you get enough low thump from your 16" kick. Does the powerstroke3 allow for a fairly low tuning? And would you recommend an 8" rack tom? I can't help but think it will be too small and high-pitched. Wich is why I'm leaning towards a 10", 13" combo with an 18" kick. And maybe a 12x5" snare.

I really like your use of cymbals. Is your 17" crash very washy when you ride it?
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Old 01-22-2008, 08:41 PM
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Alright, from the top:

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Nice tight "little" kit. Looks like fun.
It very much is fun. If you've seen my kits before, I generally player larger-sized kits, but with this kit, I can still play complex stuff on a much smaller kit. I love the kick, which I'll talk about in a minute...

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Great idea, I'm working on a small kit myself (Have been for a while, kind of stuck between a few things). How much low end can you get from a the 16" bass? I'm assuming its square size helps a bit. Also, aren't you cold? It looks freezing in those pictures.
The 16"x16" FT, converted to kick, would generally sound like a FT hit with a BD beater. With the Powerstroke 3 batter, and the thin Ebony resonant, with the 4" Holz cut, it really does sound like a small, thick kick drum. I can get enough low end out of it by tuning the heads lower, and the PS3 helps with thud and low-end. I think it's great.

As for cold, I had my coat on to assemble the kit and take most of the pics. I just took the coat off to get the few playing pictures. So it was only cold for about a minute...

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That's a cool concept but I think you should compact everything even more. Although you'd have to sit pretty low if you packed everything together tightly, it would sure look cool. Which is what you're going for, right?
I agree, with a 4 piece you should get compact. I'm a bit of an anomaly. I have short arms, and I use sticks with a good length, but I like my stuff spaced a bit. Even though it's a pretty small kit, and even small sizes. I really have a hard time sitting really low on a kit. I like to sit up and back from the kit for easier footwork. My only qualm would be bringing the china in a bit...

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I'm very interested on how those hats sound

10 inches!
I personally love them. Don't ever count out a cymbal just because it's made from a b8 alloy, instead of b10, 12, or 20. It's got a great, thick bottom cymbal, and the top is a little thicker than a 10" classics splash.

If you go to this link go to the classics lineup and check them out. I'm sorry I don't have this kit mic'd and sound samples for you guys, but the cymbals sound great. I actually like the idea of using small hats as your main hat ala Glenn Kotche of Wilco.

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That kit looks great. And must be fun to play. I've been thinking of doing something similar and always get stuck on the "perfect" sizes for a compact jungle kit.

I'd also like to know if you get enough low thump from your 16" kick. Does the powerstroke3 allow for a fairly low tuning? And would you recommend an 8" rack tom? I can't help but think it will be too small and high-pitched. Wich is why I'm leaning towards a 10", 13" combo with an 18" kick. And maybe a 12x5" snare.

I really like your use of cymbals. Is your 17" crash very washy when you ride it?
In response to a jungle kit, I'd reccomend using a 10" rack, 13" or 14" rack/floor tom, a nice piccolo or popcorn snare to get good rim shots, and a 18" or 20" shallow kick. I just wanted to make small drums, and lower frequencies as a fun 4-piece kit. My 8" rack tom is a good fit for the kit, but it can be too high-pitch, so I would reccomend tuning it down.

I have a 12"x5" Pork Pie Little Squealer that I have used as Aux. snares on many kits, and I would definitely recommend using it as d'n'b or jungle kit snare, just don't tune it up all the way, as It can be very high-pitched and pangy.

As for the crash ride, I really love that crash as a crash cymbal. It was the first A Custom cymbal I bought as was basically the reason the I use A Custom Crashes. They just sound amazing. The cymbal has a small bell, which wouldn't make a good ride, but if you're using smaller cymbals, it does get enough wash to make it easy to ride on, and mash as a ride.


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Old 01-22-2008, 09:05 PM
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First of all, brrrrr.

Second, cool kit. I really like small kits, and this one looks really fun.

Third, I think it would look better if you cut down on the stands. For example, mount the lower tom and the china on one stand. And get a stand alone hi-hat stand as opposed to this setup you have with the hi-hat clamped to another stand.
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Old 01-22-2008, 09:38 PM
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I also have a export kit (20" bass,10" tom & 14" floor-tom) I love jammin' 4-piece both of my my kits are set-up 4-piece my other kit has a 24" bass,12" tom & 16 floor-tom.the only time I converted a floor-tom like that is when I went through my head on my 24" kick at a gig and I had too improvise it worked through I made it threw the gig and got paid.I always like small kits.

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Old 01-22-2008, 10:19 PM
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I love it! It looks very cool. I might think of doing that to my kit or getting a kit like that some time soon aswell! :D
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Old 01-22-2008, 10:27 PM
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I have an 18" A Custom Med. crash that I use as a secondary ride...it's *perfect* for a crash ride. It's heavy enough to ride and not wash out...and has a big bell. Nice, classy, dark crash too...very nice cymbal.
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Old 01-22-2008, 10:35 PM
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You Stole my idea... I always wanted to do that with a Kit!! I love it!! If your Looking for the perfect crash to use as a ride....18" AA El Sabor Crash.

Wat are the 10" Hats like i was always curious about them
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Old 01-22-2008, 10:57 PM
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its great! thats so cute!!!
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Old 01-23-2008, 04:22 AM
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First of all, brrrrr.

Second, cool kit. I really like small kits, and this one looks really fun.

Third, I think it would look better if you cut down on the stands. For example, mount the lower tom and the china on one stand. And get a stand alone hi-hat stand as opposed to this setup you have with the hi-hat clamped to another stand.
Thanks, it was cold, but I only had the coat off to take a couple pics. Not that bad. When I've gigged, I've attached the FT to the Ride stand or China stand. As for the hi-hat stand, I have my 2-legged stand set up on a separate kit, and I didn't wanna take it off. I would use the 2-legged for gigs.

I'm not used to playing a lot of small kits, but I enjoy this one...

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I also have a export kit (20" bass,10" tom & 14" floor-tom) I love jammin' 4-piece both of my my kits are set-up 4-piece my other kit has a 24" bass,12" tom & 16 floor-tom.the only time I converted a floor-tom like that is when I went through my head on my 24" kick at a gig and I had too improvise it worked through I made it threw the gig and got paid.I always like small kits.

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How do you break a 24" head? I never break BD heads. I may wear them out, but never break them. Cheers on kicking through the head. Good thinking on tipping over the FT...

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I love it! It looks very cool. I might think of doing that to my kit or getting a kit like that some time soon aswell! :D
The best thing about kits like this is, it's small drums, so it's very cheap. Even if you already have a 13" tom or an 8" or 10" tom, you can use it with a smaller snare, and then convert a FT or buy a smaller kick. It's very fun playing small drums that can still give a great sound mic'd.

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I have an 18" A Custom Med. crash that I use as a secondary ride...it's *perfect* for a crash ride. It's heavy enough to ride and not wash out...and has a big bell. Nice, classy, dark crash too...very nice cymbal.
That's interesting you say that your Medium crash has a big bell. My medium crash has a very small bell. Usually the A Custom Crashes and Projection crashes have the bigger bells. It'd be interesting to see one with a big bell.

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You Stole my idea... I always wanted to do that with a Kit!! I love it!! If your Looking for the perfect crash to use as a ride....18" AA El Sabor Crash.

Wat are the 10" Hats like i was always curious about them
Don't feel too bad, I steal a lot of people's ideas. I'm the Quentin Tarantino of drumming! If I played Sabians exclusively (barring my Fusion hats) I would probably use a mix of AA, AAX, and HHX, possibly even Virgil's, Chad's, and Jojo's crashes. I have a 17" Vault crash that I bought on eBay, and I love it. It was cracked and broken, but they cut all the cracks on it, and it still sounds like a brand new cymbal, but darker. It really matches the A Custom EFX that I use with it. I love the rivets of the El Sabors.

The hats rock. I described earlier, go to Meinl's site and go into the Classics line, and they have sound samples. They're B8 bronze, so they all almost sound alike. Mine sound just like the sound sample.

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its great! thats so cute!!!
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Old 01-23-2008, 11:45 AM
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That is pretty cool! I'd love to have a go on that one :)
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Very nice! I really like smaller hats as well - I've got 13"s.

...You don't leave it outside in the cold do you?!
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How do you break a 24" head? I never break BD heads. I may wear them out, but never break them. Cheers on kicking through the head. Good thinking on tipping over the FT...


One thing about breaking heads you know exactly when it happens LOL that time I was playing in a metal band and of course we were trying to play as loud as possible LOL when I was a teenager I would watch the old Bonham video's and thought playing hard made loud volume boy was I wrong i've learned to get the same volume without killing my kit as Bonham did one time I broke a cymbal stand during a drum solo looked cool but it sucked welding it back together LOL.

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As you can see from the last few pics, I look big behind it. I'm 5'10" 215 lbs as of the photos taken, and I look massive. If you have any questions or comments post 'em, and I'll respond right on the thread.

Thanks for looking.
bigger than me! I'm bigger than my drum teacher too, he's 5'6" and he plays a pretty big kit. Well the shell sizes aren't massive but there are like 5 toms and 8 cymbals or something on it. That's pretty cool, i was thinking when i've sorted my big kit and got in a band i could get a smaller one like that for practice at home. Either that or a leccie.
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hmm, great idea.. Looking forward hearing some sound/video clips.. That snare must sound snappy i quess!
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Cool kit! Get em' outta da snow!
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did i ever mention this looks loads like the kit tom noonan out of 36 crazyfists plays?
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Cool looking set! You don't need big drums to have a big sound. I play a six-piece and none of my drums are more than 18 inches.

I suggest what others have suggested: bringing everything closer in (although that depends on the playing style) and cutting down on stands by mounting more things on to each stand. Although I notice you have a legless hihat clamped to a cymbal stand - very smart! I do that too to cut down on stand clutter.
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Hey Nice KIT...nice and little, would love to hear its sound.
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Ah yes I can relax! Far less intimidating than the 360 beast!
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