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Old 06-09-2008, 08:07 PM
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Default Foldback amp etc

Hey guys,

Looking to buy an amp that can be used for foldback purposes along with when practising at home, playing a CD etc through. Any ideas for a cheap amp as don't want to spend that much.

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Old 06-09-2008, 08:09 PM
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You don't mean amp; you mean active speaker. How much are you willing to spend? That makes an enormous difference.
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Old 06-09-2008, 08:10 PM
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like a guitar amp?
is it going to have to be as loud or louder than your drums?

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Old 06-09-2008, 08:12 PM
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Yer, active speaker. Is it possible to do it between 50-75? Less money is better as it can go towards other stuff i need.
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Old 06-09-2008, 08:16 PM
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You're not going to get much for that kind of money; especially at the kind of wattage you'd need for live use. I'd recommend some isolation headphones of some sort (closed back) with ear plugs - this is how (occasionally) practice and have done for a few years. When you're playing live, the promoter or venue usually provide foldback on their PA system and you can usually run headphones through their aux channel if you talk to them the right way.

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Old 06-09-2008, 08:26 PM
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http://www.guitarcenter.com/Shure-SC...48-i1372061.gc

if i had some money, that is what i would get...

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Old 06-09-2008, 08:29 PM
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Probably slightly out of budget though, unfortunately. $99 may equate to 50, but they'll cost more than the equivalent over here in the UK.

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I have no experience with these personally, however.
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Old 06-09-2008, 09:34 PM
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isolation headphones are different from normal headphones because?
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Old 06-09-2008, 09:39 PM
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They reduce the background noise, isolating you from the environment; hence 'isolation'.
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Old 06-09-2008, 09:53 PM
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But would i still be able to hear my own drumming say using them in a live situation behind a screen?
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Old 06-09-2008, 09:58 PM
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If the sound engineer had them set as his aux send in place of conventional foldback speaker, yes. You might need to ask about a headphone amp though. If your drums are miced up, they will become part of the monitor mix, so you won't need a shield in order to hear your own drums being reflected.

When I practice, I simply use a pair of consumer headphones (overband style - the old fashioned ones) with a set of ear plugs in. Essentially, isolating headphones work as both ear plugs and headphones. Live, I use ear plugs and the foldback speaker provided by the venue. Unless you're planning to run your own PA, a sound man might not be entirely happy with tearing out the monitor and replacing it with headphones just for the sake of one set. I recommend you get used to the venue's foldback system - you can always ask for more drums in the monitor or whatever you require.
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Old 06-09-2008, 10:30 PM
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Yer, could do that. Or does it work with just plugging the headphones in the foldback speaker that way?

Sorry, just a tad confused about all of this.
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Old 06-09-2008, 11:04 PM
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You won't usually find a headphone jack in the speaker. I'll do an explanation.

Basically, every microphone (or Direct Input - DI) is sent to the desk. This is organised into separate channels on the desk. The desk has fundamentally two different kinds of sends. A send is where the signal is routed AFTER it's been through the desk. There is a Main Mix send - this will send the signal to the main PA speakers. On a separate loop (but using the same channel strips) there is an Auxillary (Aux) send that allows you to send the signal to a different place - in this case, another speaker that isn't the main PA. Basically, what you set up to send on the Aux channels is a completely separate mix to what comes out of the PA and is completely separate for each speaker.

In order for the signal to be loud enough, the foldback must be amplified to be loud enough to even play from the speakers! The sends etc, are all at a very low level. Active speakers have an amplifier built in to them, passive ones do not. Basically, to drive a passive device, you need an amplifier. Headphones are invariably passive, so unless you have a separate headphone amplifier there's no point in trying to use them.
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Old 06-09-2008, 11:22 PM
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But the main place i play (a church) i think have active speakers for foldback as i have plugged headphones in to an out jack before and head music loud enough to play the drum long enough with. So could i just plug those heads you suggested in with the right jack input?
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Old 06-09-2008, 11:33 PM
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Provided the the level was raised high enough to work through the headphones, you should be able to plug into the right jack socket. If there's already an amplifier in the chain, then you should be ok.
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