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Old 07-31-2007, 08:09 PM
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Default Putting a floor plate on a Speed King...How?

This post is aimed at HarryConway but anyone with info please feel free to post. You mentioned in another thread that a friend modified his Speed King with a floor plate. Sounds intriguing. How'd he do it? Does he have any pics or sites with info? Thanks in advance.

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Old 07-31-2007, 08:59 PM
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Ludwig Speed King with floor plate.
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Old 08-01-2007, 05:56 AM
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Fantastic! Thanks a Bunch, HC!

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Old 08-02-2007, 12:30 PM
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Wow - thats awesome.

What benifets does it have?

Stability I suppose....
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Old 08-02-2007, 12:34 PM
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After playing pedals with and without.... footplates do give greater stability over the whole pedal which helpes you play (my opinion).
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Old 08-02-2007, 12:35 PM
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Old 08-03-2007, 09:53 AM
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DW (here) http://cgi.ebay.com/DW-5000-chain-dr...QQcmdZViewItem did the same basic thing with the Camco (here) http://cgi.ebay.com/Tama-Bass-Drum-P...QQcmdZViewItem Yeah, the floorplate adds stability and more important I think, rigidity. Instead of the bottom frame being an interlocking metal strap or a wire frame, a flat piece of steel makes for a much more rigid foundation, on which the rest of the pedal functions off of. I'm gonna give a Ghost pedal the same kinda floorplate treatment, just for yucks.
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Old 08-03-2007, 01:39 PM
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Cool stuff.

That Camco looks cool.....

Is that what the Iron Cobra came from?
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Old 08-03-2007, 09:57 PM
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That Camco looks cool.....

Is that what the Iron Cobra came from?
Yes. When Camco went under, DW and Tama bought the company. Check out this old Camco double pedal here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA:IT&ih=004 Look familiar? The round lug that DW uses is an old Camco design. The DW 5000 pedal and several Tama pedals were spawned from the Camco design. Tama marketed Camco drums by Tama for a while, marketed the Camco pedal by Tama longer than the drum line, and finally dropped the Camco pedal alltogether. Probably figured they had enough juice to market their own named chain drive pedal. Seemed to work well for them.
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Old 08-05-2007, 11:34 PM
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Tama marketed Camco drums by Tama for a while, marketed the Camco pedal by Tama longer than the drum line, and finally dropped the Camco pedal alltogether. Probably figured they had enough juice to market their own named chain drive pedal. Seemed to work well for them.

DW bought the complete Camco inventory, couldn't get the rights to the (Camco) pedal b/c Tama already beat them to it. Tama 'owns' everything about to the Camco pedal. DW copied the 5000 after the Camco, but could never match the 'feel' of the Camco (mainly due to cam/sprocket material weights). DW also struggled for years with the very poor heel plate hinge design, something they didn't copy from the Camco, which contributed to the 5000 'less than' feel.

The Iron Cobra has 'morphed' from Camco's tried and true design. The Iron Cobra is basically a Camco if you take the general measurements. Like the difference between a 65' Mustang and a 07' Mustang, same basic platform intended, but much improved. The Iron Cobra (in any form) owes its existence to the Camco, its not a separate entity by any means, it is truly 'son of Camco'. Same with the DW 5000 going back to day one, its a blatant Camco copy.
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Default Re: Putting a floor plate on a Speed King...How?

Since I've had these images hosted for some time for a thread on another site I might as well post them here for what they may be worth as a reference.
I had to go a little large to show good detail.

From the 1966 Camco Catalog (Oaklawn, IL, era)...................




The image below is from the 1976 Catalog (L.A. California, era)..............



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Ludwig Speed King with floor plate.
Hi I got two speed king pedals but I never knew whats is actually the function of second plate located beneath heel . I use to play whit this plate released from the main plate but in your image I can see this plate in the same level that main plate ( flat).
I know that it could be a stupid question nevertheles I ve spent great times playing whit my dear Speed Kings, currently Im playing DW double drum bass I love it.
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Old 03-06-2008, 08:46 AM
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Yes, the floor plate negates that heel piece being able to flip over. So if you like the footboard solid, so it shall be. If you like the footboard as a two piece, so it shall be. If you want to be able to switch between the two positions, then you need to cut away the rear portion of the floorplate, enough to allow the heel piece to do it's 180. As far as the function of the heel plate, it's the 1936 version of the Axis shortboard/longboard.
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Default Re: Putting a floor plate on a Speed King...How?

That SK with the plate is real cool.
I wonder why Ludwig has never done that.
Plates have been around for a long time now...

I have a Camco (by Tama) double pedal that I got in 1988.
It doesn't have a plate on the main pedal (with the 2 beaters), but it does on the left side section.

I've since taken the left half off and just used it as a single pedal.

I like it's feel better than the DW 5000.

I loved the Camco double pedal when I had it together because it had 2 springs for the left half--one on the left pedal and one on the left side of the 'main' part.

That made it feel more even to me.

Since the left side had a spring too, you could take it apart and, use it as a single--which a DW Pedal doesn't allow you to do.

The only DW pedal I have liked a lot is the older (pre-square heel plate) Delta 5000 Strap.

Other DW pedals haven't felt good to me.

I liked the IC strap pedal when I had it, but the heel felt weird.

I use a Pearl Eliminator now (about 5 years) and it's been great, and if I decide to use a DP again, I'll get the Eliminator double.
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