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looking good to go, Stan! Let us know how they gig.
Thanks and you better believe it and for some planned recording sessions in the new year too aydee. The snare already KILLED on a recording session and gig on Saturday. The whole kit together on a gig is going to be joy for all involved that I have no doubt.
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Thanks Bill. Yes a beauty on the eyes and ears indeed.
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Old 11-27-2007, 07:58 PM
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Nice! Way better looking than the catalog pic.
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Uuuuh!
If I had this kit AND a girl....I wouldn`t tell her. That`s absolutly beautiful! Your pics are much better than the catalog pic.

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Thanks Jazz and Karl.

Yes the flash on the camera really brought out the amazing character and color of the Bubinga wood on the set.
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Wow! That is truly amazing! I love the grain on those, very bautiful.
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Wow! That is truly amazing! I love the grain on those, very bautiful.
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Thanks mofle. Yes the African hardwood Bubinga is known for it's stunning color and grain. 9 plys of pure Bubinga sonic joy!.
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Old 11-30-2007, 02:27 AM
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Had an idea to make a good thing even better today regarding the sound of my new bass drum. Decided to add a wooden BD beater to the mix and it turned out to be a great decision. Bought a Gibralter SC-3262 wooden beater for 10 bucks at my nearest L+M store and threw it on my Yamaha BD pedal. The combination of warmth of tone and clarity/attack of note on the Peace Bubinga 18"x16 BD is a dream come true sound wise.

Always loved this sound on Elvin's recordings and when I heard him live regarding a wooden BD beater and it's clarity of attack and ability of bringing out a full tone of a smaller bass drum in a jazz setting.
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Old 11-30-2007, 03:40 AM
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Oh and some comments regarding these 9 ply Bubinga shells and temperture changes. Very interesting and reactive wood to temperture changes and SOUND as i've been discovering. It's starting to get cold here in Western Canada so depending on the heat in the house is on or not when the drums are played can have a noticable effect on the attack and tonality of the drums but most noticably in regards to the duration of length on note and percussive attack most noticably regarding the 10" tom and 14" floor tom the most. When cold the drums have a very percussive attack and sharpness to the pitch and sound. When the house is very warm the drums have less of a sharp attack and more of a open longer ring to their tone but still with a nice degree of attack of note in the mix. None of this has anything to do with the bearing edges since I did a complete inspection of each drum and all the bearing edges are spot on and the drums are perfectly round. Just something I noticed regarding the character and tonality of this exotic hardwood when introduced to vast temperture changes.

Character wise this Bubinga wood also by the way sure has a bit of the spirit of Africa in it's sound make up too IMO. There is some very dark deep sound vibrations with alot of air moving around these drums when they are played. These drums have a very distinct individual dark but warm character being much different than the hard rock maple shells i've grown used to over the years regarding the sound and feel of a kit of drums. And yes as mentioned earlier these drums can really cut and be nice and LOUD if needed and sound much bigger than their small sizes would suggest.
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Old 12-03-2007, 03:47 AM
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Well the new kit lost it's virginity finally at a afternoon jazz quartet concert today. Guys loved it I loved it enough said on that.

The bass player had a few comments and questions since he builds custom electric basses with some various types of exotic hardwoods. First off he said do you know what you have here and I said yes bubinga shells. Bingo he answered but with some further info i'll pass along. He said that these are made yes from all bubinga wood but the outer/ inner few plys on all the drums and bass drum hoops are AA Flame Bubinga. He also indicated the center plys on the BD hoop were Canadian rock maple by the way. He said this type of grade of grain of bubinga is VERY difficult to form into the shape of a drum . He went on to explain the challenges and difficulties in the process of working with bubinga and AA flame bubinga in particular. He was truly impressed with the overall quality of work put into these drums. When he asked where they were made made and by who he was surprised to hear they came from a company in Taiwan since he said the quality of wood work and laquer coatings were world class in his opinion. He also thought that the off set lugs could be related to the tensioning of the heads and how this choice of lug design relates to the possible health of each drum due to the choice of this very hard and dense wood over time,interesting. He said further that these bubinga shell drums will take about 2 years to totally settle and just keep sounding better over time.

Looks like they not only passed the sound test with the band today {and me} but the on the spot quality inspection from a custom wood artisan in the band too.
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Congrats on turning 50! Nice kit too.
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Old 12-03-2007, 05:42 AM
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Thanks Bossa Nova. It will be the last and final new kit I'll ever buy so I wanted to make it something special.
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Old 12-03-2007, 06:06 AM
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Words uttered in haste and momentary bliss.................; )
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Old 12-03-2007, 06:23 AM
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Ha Ha aydee I hear ya!. Don't be surprised but I really mean it. Remember I said that by the way LOL!.
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What a beautiful set of drums, Steamer. That finish and grain is stunning. The kick must sound like a deep, warm canon blast! Very, very nice. Congratulations. I, too, am approaching 50. And like you, I still get a rush when playing. It's good to know that music (and playing drums) is for a lifetime. I played this past weekend (Christian/Worship Rock) and after the set my 12 year old says to me "you rock, Dad." I can't think of a better way to relate to my kids than through music. Take care and, again, congrats.
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What a beautiful set of drums, Steamer. That finish and grain is stunning. The kick must sound like a deep, warm canon blast! Very, very nice. Congratulations. I, too, am approaching 50. And like you, I still get a rush when playing. It's good to know that music (and playing drums) is for a lifetime. I played this past weekend (Christian/Worship Rock) and after the set my 12 year old says to me "you rock, Dad." I can't think of a better way to relate to my kids than through music. Take care and, again, congrats.
Thanks golions she's a beaut. Yes the kick is very dynamic,warm and POWERFUL if needed for a small bass drum.

Loved your comment from your 12 year old and yes playing music is the one thing that still keeps me on track and going strong closing in on the "BIG 50" in this challenging world and times we all live in.
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Old 12-05-2007, 12:16 AM
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Here's a couple of new shots of the bubinga kit taken since I picked up the Peace logo for my coated ambassador bass drum front head on the weekend.
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Very nice!, I like your pics better then the website pic

Looks like too much fun to me ;-)
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Very nice!, I like your pics better then the website pic

Looks like too much fun to me ;-)

Thanks rmandelbaum. Yes great fun indeed.
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Another recent shot of the kit showing the AA flame bubinga grain a little more close up:
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after the set my 12 year old says to me "you rock, Dad." I can't think of a better way to relate to my kids than through music. Take care and, again, congrats.
not just kids, that great way to relate to the universe, golions!

and dads that rock are a whole heck of a lot better than dads that are chartered accountants.

pound those yammies, bud! : )
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Truly a nice kit, I was thinking of a small jazzer myself. Is that a rhodes?
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Truly a nice kit, I was thinking of a small jazzer myself. Is that a rhodes?
Thanks sio_ 13. Yes indeed it is an old rhodes used for sessions at the house. Built like a tank and heavier than all my drum gear combined.
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Wow, the grain on that wood is incredible. If they sound half as good as they look, you have yourself a wonderful set of drums.
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Wow, the grain on that wood is incredible. If they sound half as good as they look, you have yourself a wonderful set of drums.
They are the complete deal katman and a pleasure both to eye and ear. Took a chance on a relatively unknown drum company in this case Peace making 9 ply bubinga shells in smaller sizes suited for jazz and certainly not disappointed on the outcome of that decision due to getting an excellent unique set in the process. This is the first kit to head out the door for all live/recording sessions and gigs from this point on.
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Did an interesting search tonight out of idol curiousity and came up with some very interesting findings indeed.

Turns out that one drum company in particular just do bubinga as a outer veneer only on their ply shells and the drums are huge $$$$$ in cost. Another use bubinga mixed with other plies of wood in the makeup of their ply shell drums and rarely as the outer ply on their shells but as a inner visible ply. From what i've managed to detective out in a internet search so far tonight only Peace is making a production line full kit ALL 9 "ply type" bubinga shell at the moment in the general drum company market excluding possible small custom shops who did not come up in my search so far as all bubinga ply shell makers. Interesting.
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your kit looks like it would be so much fun to lay down some grooves on. the wood grain makes it so elegant, awesome.
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Did an interesting search tonight out of idol curiousity and came up with some very interesting findings indeed.

Turns out that one drum company in particular just do bubinga as a outer veneer only on their ply shells and the drums are huge $$$$$ in cost. Another use bubinga mixed with other plies of wood in the makeup of their ply shell drums and rarely as the outer ply on their shells but as a inner visible ply. From what i've managed to detective out in a internet search so far tonight only Peace is making a production line full kit ALL 9 "ply type" bubinga shell at the moment in the general drum company market excluding possible small custom shops who did not come up in my search so far as all bubinga ply shell makers. Interesting.
Stan, whats the theory on less plys v/s more plys...what are the accoustic properties that change? ( regardless of wood type )

Also, I'm assuming your'e referring to TAMA ( sorry if I'm being indiscreet ).

I think a a lot of companies cut little corners on expensive wood. Whats terrible is a sense of being hoodwinked, even if the drums sound good..
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Stan, whats the theory on less plys v/s more plys...what are the accoustic properties that change? ( regardless of wood type )

Also, I'm assuming your'e referring to TAMA ( sorry if I'm being indiscreet ).

I think a a lot of companies cut little corners on expensive wood. Whats terrible is a sense of being hoodwinked, even if the drums sound good..

I think those theories in general apply to old drum shell ply making methods and technology especially the idea that that a 9 ply drum can't be warm and speak clearly with a long tone like older style 3 ply and 4 ply drums and the only benefit of 9 ply drums being volume and low end projection. My Peace bubinga drums are made with thinner plies of bubinga and the shells aren't that thick in appearence regarding each of the 9 ply drums. When I was considering drums from the Peace Paragon line the shells I inspected were also not thick in appearence for 9 ply Canadian rock maple drums. Times have changed in regards to shell manufacturing methods with technological manufacturing advances regarding in this case 9 ply shells made by Peace so the old ideas on more plies don't hold water IMO regarding sound,response and character. These 9 ply bubinga shells are warm with a nice long tone,dynamic,responsive,dark and yes loud when desired so the proof of what I speak is in the pudding as the old saying goes.

As to your other point one can do their own research and see what they discover like I did. Quite illuminating if your factor the cost/bubinga content into the equation.
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Old 12-08-2007, 05:05 AM
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Thanks Nimby. The drums are very responsive to my touch and a dream to play. The sound and character of the 9 ply bubinga shells is a real pleasure on my ears alone and in the context of a band and yes the AA flame bubinga is a stunning wood grain visually.
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